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Unread 07-22-2014, 03:40 AM
Shodan
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I have yet to find a principle within quantum mechanics to be counterintuitive. Your understanding of the rearranging of particles, however, is atrocious. The rearranging of particles does not take place on the scale on which you are describing. A set of particles cannot, out of nowhere, create the macroscopic structures which you are positing that they can. These rearrangements take place on the quantum level. What you are positing, are that things such as nuclear rearrangement which take place within the electron, are capable of forming large scale, physical structures at a whim, and that is simply not the case.
You are correct, and I apologize for my earlier misunderstanding of this phenomenon. However, I still argue that cause and effect implies that, in an infinite universe, all possible actions can and will occur. I see no reason to assume this wrong. Reality can be viewed as a many-branching tree of possibilities and outcomes. The many-worlds theory argues each one of these outcomes occurs, but let us look at only one universe - the one we inhabit. What is there to stop all possible outcomes from eventually occurring, given an infinite universe? If this is correct, my original conclusion, though not the method of its extrapolation - that the universe has and/or will have experienced all possible realities - still stands.

---------- Post added at 02:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:37 AM ----------

Anyway, going to sleep now. Thanks for the argument.
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Unread 07-22-2014, 03:40 AM   #21
 
Shodan
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The Fire Lord
Estimated Skill in Audio: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Audio: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Audio: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Audio: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Audio: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Audio: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Audio: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Audio: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Audio: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Audio: 6.18/10 stars
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2 Won / 4 Lost
Estimated Skill in Text: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 6.18/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 6.75/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 6.75/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 6.75/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 6.75/10 stars
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I have yet to find a principle within quantum mechanics to be counterintuitive. Your understanding of the rearranging of particles, however, is atrocious. The rearranging of particles does not take place on the scale on which you are describing. A set of particles cannot, out of nowhere, create the macroscopic structures which you are positing that they can. These rearrangements take place on the quantum level. What you are positing, are that things such as nuclear rearrangement which take place within the electron, are capable of forming large scale, physical structures at a whim, and that is simply not the case.
You are correct, and I apologize for my earlier misunderstanding of this phenomenon. However, I still argue that cause and effect implies that, in an infinite universe, all possible actions can and will occur. I see no reason to assume this wrong. Reality can be viewed as a many-branching tree of possibilities and outcomes. The many-worlds theory argues each one of these outcomes occurs, but let us look at only one universe - the one we inhabit. What is there to stop all possible outcomes from eventually occurring, given an infinite universe? If this is correct, my original conclusion, though not the method of its extrapolation - that the universe has and/or will have experienced all possible realities - still stands.

---------- Post added at 02:40 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:37 AM ----------

Anyway, going to sleep now. Thanks for the argument.
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