List 5 things

[Lizman]

Originally Posted by Mindless

1. The owners of the site virtually abandoning the place for years at a time leaving people in charge with no power to fix anything.
2. Leaving things broken for years at a time.
3. Owners expecting the staff to continue to give a shit after they ghost for so long.
4. The way people leaving and joining staff is handled
5. Thinking a new skin is going to do anything to wipe the stink of an already dead and decaying site.
6. Not getting at least one full time programmer on some kind of profit sharing or SOMETHING just to get things going. Even if you're doing nothing with the profits but paying the bills for the first few years you're at least making progress.
7. Thinking that the exclusive model is going to continue to work as it is.
8. Not expanding the scope of the site in the ways necessary to keep things fresh and relevant. No News section, tracks are still one at a time with no mixtape option, etc.
9. Starting the live battling shit to direct people here before the site is even in proper order.
10. Not listening to the users. If enough of us are saying something is bad then it's bad.

Ya Mindless Woooo




Anyway, This A Never Ending Circle Of Horrible Death Defying Circus Acts That I Decided One Unlucky May Day In 2007 To Be Part Of. Talking About It Wont Change Anything In The Long Run But Our God Fearing Souls As Heaven Ensuring Patches For The Short High.

Amen.
I Meant אָמֵן

[Lizman]

Originally Posted by Mindless

1. The owners of the site virtually abandoning the place for years at a time leaving people in charge with no power to fix anything.
2. Leaving things broken for years at a time.
3. Owners expecting the staff to continue to give a shit after they ghost for so long.
4. The way people leaving and joining staff is handled
5. Thinking a new skin is going to do anything to wipe the stink of an already dead and decaying site.
6. Not getting at least one full time programmer on some kind of profit sharing or SOMETHING just to get things going. Even if you're doing nothing with the profits but paying the bills for the first few years you're at least making progress.
7. Thinking that the exclusive model is going to continue to work as it is.
8. Not expanding the scope of the site in the ways necessary to keep things fresh and relevant. No News section, tracks are still one at a time with no mixtape option, etc.
9. Starting the live battling shit to direct people here before the site is even in proper order.
10. Not listening to the users. If enough of us are saying something is bad then it's bad.

Ya Mindless Woooo




Anyway, This A Never Ending Circle Of Horrible Death Defying Circus Acts That I Decided One Unlucky May Day In 2007 To Be Part Of. Talking About It Wont Change Anything In The Long Run But Our God Fearing Souls As Heaven Ensuring Patches For The Short High.

Amen.
I Meant אָמֵן

[exZACHly]

Oh another thing why is PM'ing for votes or even PM's in general allowed for non-staff members? If you have something to say you can do it publicly imo.

[exZACHly]

Oh another thing why is PM'ing for votes or even PM's in general allowed for non-staff members? If you have something to say you can do it publicly imo.

[Lizman]

Do You Really Not Know Or Are You Just Pretending?


(A Question I Ask Myself Everytime Someone Doesn't Understand My Verse)

[Lizman]

Do You Really Not Know Or Are You Just Pretending?


(A Question I Ask Myself Everytime Someone Doesn't Understand My Verse)

[Manhattan]

Originally Posted by oSo Slick

Almost every mod / fvc on here has beef with half of the website.
We need some new mods, newer faces. New fvc, that know how to judge audio battles. Less VP to mods and fvc, lots of people being robbed in some battles. That or nobody from fvc votes on a battle unless its a tournament. We need a reward system for people who can recruit new rappers ( emcee item, or a month exclusive). All in all, we need more active voters, active fvc for audio and text, with less VP..

So, you're trying to say that we need more active voters (Which everyone agrees with) However, you're saying that those who have proven themselves good voters (FVC) should have a lower VP. So instead of rewarding good voters and also providing a good incentive for good voters...we should instead drop their VP? Which in turn...will have less FVC members coming around...which will drop voting activity. That's ass backwards. Honestly, we don't just need more voters. We need more people dropping votes who come here regularly. You've got people bitching about having no votes on their battles, and yet they don't ever seem to vote.

[Manhattan]

Originally Posted by oSo Slick

Almost every mod / fvc on here has beef with half of the website.
We need some new mods, newer faces. New fvc, that know how to judge audio battles. Less VP to mods and fvc, lots of people being robbed in some battles. That or nobody from fvc votes on a battle unless its a tournament. We need a reward system for people who can recruit new rappers ( emcee item, or a month exclusive). All in all, we need more active voters, active fvc for audio and text, with less VP..

So, you're trying to say that we need more active voters (Which everyone agrees with) However, you're saying that those who have proven themselves good voters (FVC) should have a lower VP. So instead of rewarding good voters and also providing a good incentive for good voters...we should instead drop their VP? Which in turn...will have less FVC members coming around...which will drop voting activity. That's ass backwards. Honestly, we don't just need more voters. We need more people dropping votes who come here regularly. You've got people bitching about having no votes on their battles, and yet they don't ever seem to vote.

[Lizman]

Originally Posted by Manhattan

So, you're trying to say that we need more active voters (Which everyone agrees with) However, you're saying that those who have proven themselves good voters (FVC) should have a lower VP. So instead of rewarding good voters and also providing a good incentive for good voters...we should instead drop their VP? Which in turn...will have less FVC members coming around...which will drop voting activity. That's ass backwards. Honestly, we don't just need more voters. We need more people dropping votes who come here regularly. You've got people bitching about having no votes on their battles, and yet they don't ever seem to vote.

Manhatten

I Am An Excellent Voter (With No Voting Power), I Have Always Been An Excellent Voter (Without Ever Leaving Much Expos) And Have Encouraged People For 5 Years To Drop Links On My Various Voting Threads. If 2000 Links Would Have Appeared On My Voting Threads I Would Have Voted On Every Single One Of Them (Although It Would Have Not Mattered As My Voting Power Was Lowered Considerably, Resulting In My Vote Being Solely Usable Towards The 3 Vote Closing Requirement Of Any Battle Rather Than A Decisive Measure.

Another Thing, You Are Clearly Insinuating That A Major Draw For Lesser Members (Almost Everyone Else Except Mindless And Me) For Joining The FVC Is Having Superior Voting Power. Which In Turn Illustrates The Catch 22 Situation The Slightly Less Retarded Person You Quoted Is Talking About.

Think Before You 'Speak', Buddy. It Makes You Look Bad To The Knowledgeable People (Me).

[Lizman]

Originally Posted by Manhattan

So, you're trying to say that we need more active voters (Which everyone agrees with) However, you're saying that those who have proven themselves good voters (FVC) should have a lower VP. So instead of rewarding good voters and also providing a good incentive for good voters...we should instead drop their VP? Which in turn...will have less FVC members coming around...which will drop voting activity. That's ass backwards. Honestly, we don't just need more voters. We need more people dropping votes who come here regularly. You've got people bitching about having no votes on their battles, and yet they don't ever seem to vote.

Manhatten

I Am An Excellent Voter (With No Voting Power), I Have Always Been An Excellent Voter (Without Ever Leaving Much Expos) And Have Encouraged People For 5 Years To Drop Links On My Various Voting Threads. If 2000 Links Would Have Appeared On My Voting Threads I Would Have Voted On Every Single One Of Them (Although It Would Have Not Mattered As My Voting Power Was Lowered Considerably, Resulting In My Vote Being Solely Usable Towards The 3 Vote Closing Requirement Of Any Battle Rather Than A Decisive Measure.

Another Thing, You Are Clearly Insinuating That A Major Draw For Lesser Members (Almost Everyone Else Except Mindless And Me) For Joining The FVC Is Having Superior Voting Power. Which In Turn Illustrates The Catch 22 Situation The Slightly Less Retarded Person You Quoted Is Talking About.

Think Before You 'Speak', Buddy. It Makes You Look Bad To The Knowledgeable People (Me).

[Manhattan]

Originally Posted by Lizman

Manhatten

I Am An Excellent Voter (With No Voting Power), I Have Always Been An Excellent Voter (Without Ever Leaving Much Expos) And Have Encouraged People For 5 Years To Drop Links On My Various Voting Threads. If 2000 Links Would Have Appeared On My Voting Threads I Would Have Voted On Every Single One Of Them (Although It Would Have Not Mattered As My Voting Power Was Lowered Considerably, Resulting In My Vote Being Solely Usable Towards The 3 Vote Closing Requirement Of Any Battle Rather Than A Decisive Measure.

Another Thing, You Are Clearly Insinuating That A Major Draw For Lesser Members (Almost Everyone Else Except Mindless And Me) For Joining The FVC Is Having Superior Voting Power. Which In Turn Illustrates The Catch 22 Situation The Slightly Less Retarded Person You Quoted Is Talking About.

Think Before You 'Speak', Buddy. It Makes You Look Bad To The Knowledgeable People (Me).

Says the guy who was awarded "Least intelligent member of the site" what now like 5 years running? You're a terrible voter and only intelligent in your own retarded mind. You have 0 VP, You just claimed that yourself that you barely leave an explanation as to which way you vote. You don't get to 0 voting power from being a good voter. Your votes are never accurate and you leave the worst expos on battles. You've been here 2 years shy of a decade and only have 599 votes. Let's not try and talk about how active and how "intelligent" of a voter you are. Next time think before you "Type". It makes you look retarded to the knowledgeable voters (Me)

[Manhattan]

Originally Posted by Lizman

Manhatten

I Am An Excellent Voter (With No Voting Power), I Have Always Been An Excellent Voter (Without Ever Leaving Much Expos) And Have Encouraged People For 5 Years To Drop Links On My Various Voting Threads. If 2000 Links Would Have Appeared On My Voting Threads I Would Have Voted On Every Single One Of Them (Although It Would Have Not Mattered As My Voting Power Was Lowered Considerably, Resulting In My Vote Being Solely Usable Towards The 3 Vote Closing Requirement Of Any Battle Rather Than A Decisive Measure.

Another Thing, You Are Clearly Insinuating That A Major Draw For Lesser Members (Almost Everyone Else Except Mindless And Me) For Joining The FVC Is Having Superior Voting Power. Which In Turn Illustrates The Catch 22 Situation The Slightly Less Retarded Person You Quoted Is Talking About.

Think Before You 'Speak', Buddy. It Makes You Look Bad To The Knowledgeable People (Me).

Says the guy who was awarded "Least intelligent member of the site" what now like 5 years running? You're a terrible voter and only intelligent in your own retarded mind. You have 0 VP, You just claimed that yourself that you barely leave an explanation as to which way you vote. You don't get to 0 voting power from being a good voter. Your votes are never accurate and you leave the worst expos on battles. You've been here 2 years shy of a decade and only have 599 votes. Let's not try and talk about how active and how "intelligent" of a voter you are. Next time think before you "Type". It makes you look retarded to the knowledgeable voters (Me)

[Lizman]

Originally Posted by Manhattan

Says the guy who was awarded "Least intelligent member of the site" what now like 5 years running? You're a terrible voter and only intelligent in your own retarded mind. You have 0 VP, You just claimed that yourself that you barely leave an explanation as to which way you vote. You don't get to 0 voting power from being a good voter. Your votes are never accurate and you leave the worst expos on battles. You've been here 2 years shy of a decade and only have 599 votes. Let's not try and talk about how active and how "intelligent" of a voter you are. Next time think before you "Type". It makes you look retarded to the knowledgeable voters (Me)

I Understand.
I Understand Every Single One Of Your Thought Processes That You Made And Were Going To Make In Regards To This Topic Since Deciding To Reply To Oso Slick. People Are So Predictable Here...

Anyway, I Have Had More Than 1000 Votes Before The Site Overhaul That Caused An Immense Amount Of Data To Be Lost In Cyberspace.
The Rest Of Your Excellent Reply Can Be Combated With Two Words: RULE's Posse.

[Lizman]

Originally Posted by Manhattan

Says the guy who was awarded "Least intelligent member of the site" what now like 5 years running? You're a terrible voter and only intelligent in your own retarded mind. You have 0 VP, You just claimed that yourself that you barely leave an explanation as to which way you vote. You don't get to 0 voting power from being a good voter. Your votes are never accurate and you leave the worst expos on battles. You've been here 2 years shy of a decade and only have 599 votes. Let's not try and talk about how active and how "intelligent" of a voter you are. Next time think before you "Type". It makes you look retarded to the knowledgeable voters (Me)

I Understand.
I Understand Every Single One Of Your Thought Processes That You Made And Were Going To Make In Regards To This Topic Since Deciding To Reply To Oso Slick. People Are So Predictable Here...

Anyway, I Have Had More Than 1000 Votes Before The Site Overhaul That Caused An Immense Amount Of Data To Be Lost In Cyberspace.
The Rest Of Your Excellent Reply Can Be Combated With Two Words: RULE's Posse.

[oSo Slick]

Originally Posted by Manhattan

So, you're trying to say that we need more active voters (Which everyone agrees with) However, you're saying that those who have proven themselves good voters (FVC) should have a lower VP. So instead of rewarding good voters and also providing a good incentive for good voters...we should instead drop their VP? Which in turn...will have less FVC members coming around...which will drop voting activity. That's ass backwards. Honestly, we don't just need more voters. We need more people dropping votes who come here regularly. You've got people bitching about having no votes on their battles, and yet they don't ever seem to vote.

You're over exaggerating Manny. How is dropping VP going to make less fvc come around. When I just explained that we need more / better fvc, and more/better voting mods.don't drop it completely, but say I have 4 fair votes on a battle, with good explanations, 1 mod can come in, drop a vote with a half assed expo. And give the opponent who originally had 0 votes the win. Ive seen it happen, and its happened to me. When a mods vote can be stronger than 4 regular members vote, there is a problem. Mods and fvc rarely vote on audio battles outside of tournaments. So if you're wondering why the audio section is dead, its because of the mods being in favor of text battles., you included..

& those who have proven themselves to be good voters, should not overpower 3-4 other voters, people have different ways of judging battles. Personally I listen for the verse that would get better crowd reaction if it was a live event in today's standard of battle rap. I think there should only be +1 and +2 vp..but hey..people who are already mods/fvc will obviously argue my opinion because they don't want new mods.

[oSo Slick]

Originally Posted by Manhattan

So, you're trying to say that we need more active voters (Which everyone agrees with) However, you're saying that those who have proven themselves good voters (FVC) should have a lower VP. So instead of rewarding good voters and also providing a good incentive for good voters...we should instead drop their VP? Which in turn...will have less FVC members coming around...which will drop voting activity. That's ass backwards. Honestly, we don't just need more voters. We need more people dropping votes who come here regularly. You've got people bitching about having no votes on their battles, and yet they don't ever seem to vote.

You're over exaggerating Manny. How is dropping VP going to make less fvc come around. When I just explained that we need more / better fvc, and more/better voting mods.don't drop it completely, but say I have 4 fair votes on a battle, with good explanations, 1 mod can come in, drop a vote with a half assed expo. And give the opponent who originally had 0 votes the win. Ive seen it happen, and its happened to me. When a mods vote can be stronger than 4 regular members vote, there is a problem. Mods and fvc rarely vote on audio battles outside of tournaments. So if you're wondering why the audio section is dead, its because of the mods being in favor of text battles., you included..

& those who have proven themselves to be good voters, should not overpower 3-4 other voters, people have different ways of judging battles. Personally I listen for the verse that would get better crowd reaction if it was a live event in today's standard of battle rap. I think there should only be +1 and +2 vp..but hey..people who are already mods/fvc will obviously argue my opinion because they don't want new mods.

[RULE]

High number of reasons imo.

I think not investing in advertising via KOTD, Grindtime & URL battle vids has cost the site a chance to be the primary online battle-rap venue.

As far as the site itself goes, broken features and no sole long-term direction of leadership hasnt helped either.

I think the only way to get the site popping again would be to literally pay heavyweights to battle. That would keep dope members around, while also being a massive incentive for new members to try and become heavyweights themselves.

1/

[RULE]

High number of reasons imo.

I think not investing in advertising via KOTD, Grindtime & URL battle vids has cost the site a chance to be the primary online battle-rap venue.

As far as the site itself goes, broken features and no sole long-term direction of leadership hasnt helped either.

I think the only way to get the site popping again would be to literally pay heavyweights to battle. That would keep dope members around, while also being a massive incentive for new members to try and become heavyweights themselves.

1/

[Manhattan]

Originally Posted by oSo Slick

You're over exaggerating Manny. How is dropping VP going to make less fvc come around. When I just explained that we need more / better fvc, and more/better voting mods.don't drop it completely, but say I have 4 fair votes on a battle, with good explanations, 1 mod can come in, drop a vote with a half assed expo. And give the opponent who originally had 0 votes the win. Ive seen it happen, and its happened to me. When a mods vote can be stronger than 4 regular members vote, there is a problem. Mods and fvc rarely vote on audio battles outside of tournaments. So if you're wondering why the audio section is dead, its because of the mods being in favor of text battles., you included..

& those who have proven themselves to be good voters, should not overpower 3-4 other voters, people have different ways of judging battles. Personally I listen for the verse that would get better crowd reaction if it was a live event in today's standard of battle rap. I think there should only be +1 and +2 vp..but hey..people who are already mods/fvc will obviously argue my opinion because they don't want new mods.

I understand where you're coming from, for the most part. I know I don't speak for all when I say this...but, When you're an FVC member and have proven yourself to be an educated and skilled voter...Why would you have the same Voting Power as the guy who barely explains his vote and doesn't try to. FVC member have an increased voting power for a reason, They're some of the best and most educated voters on the site who take time to answer requests.

Also, the problem w/ the audio side (In terms of voting) is that the majority of audio guys are the majority of bad voters. (FV, VB etc) or they barely drop an expo. So many audio guys w/ 0 voting power because they 1. Don't care enough to drop an expo 2. Don't care that they have 0vp 3. Just want the credit/ are uneducated voters. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that everyone is, but the majority are.

A lack of mod voting isn't the reason why the audio side is dead more than usual. It's that no one is putting out their best material. The majority of the battles are half-assed freestyle battles.There aren't as many big names battling each other on the audio side (Other than tournaments) I agree though, I need to start really dropping more votes on the audio side (Same w/ some mods) However, I get lots of requests from people to drop votes on battles...95% of the time it's a text battle. I assume it's the same for other mods who also drop the majority of votes on text. If I would get requests/IM's/PM's from audio battlers...I would gladly check the battle out. Once again I assume other mods would too.

[Manhattan]

Originally Posted by oSo Slick

You're over exaggerating Manny. How is dropping VP going to make less fvc come around. When I just explained that we need more / better fvc, and more/better voting mods.don't drop it completely, but say I have 4 fair votes on a battle, with good explanations, 1 mod can come in, drop a vote with a half assed expo. And give the opponent who originally had 0 votes the win. Ive seen it happen, and its happened to me. When a mods vote can be stronger than 4 regular members vote, there is a problem. Mods and fvc rarely vote on audio battles outside of tournaments. So if you're wondering why the audio section is dead, its because of the mods being in favor of text battles., you included..

& those who have proven themselves to be good voters, should not overpower 3-4 other voters, people have different ways of judging battles. Personally I listen for the verse that would get better crowd reaction if it was a live event in today's standard of battle rap. I think there should only be +1 and +2 vp..but hey..people who are already mods/fvc will obviously argue my opinion because they don't want new mods.

I understand where you're coming from, for the most part. I know I don't speak for all when I say this...but, When you're an FVC member and have proven yourself to be an educated and skilled voter...Why would you have the same Voting Power as the guy who barely explains his vote and doesn't try to. FVC member have an increased voting power for a reason, They're some of the best and most educated voters on the site who take time to answer requests.

Also, the problem w/ the audio side (In terms of voting) is that the majority of audio guys are the majority of bad voters. (FV, VB etc) or they barely drop an expo. So many audio guys w/ 0 voting power because they 1. Don't care enough to drop an expo 2. Don't care that they have 0vp 3. Just want the credit/ are uneducated voters. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that everyone is, but the majority are.

A lack of mod voting isn't the reason why the audio side is dead more than usual. It's that no one is putting out their best material. The majority of the battles are half-assed freestyle battles.There aren't as many big names battling each other on the audio side (Other than tournaments) I agree though, I need to start really dropping more votes on the audio side (Same w/ some mods) However, I get lots of requests from people to drop votes on battles...95% of the time it's a text battle. I assume it's the same for other mods who also drop the majority of votes on text. If I would get requests/IM's/PM's from audio battlers...I would gladly check the battle out. Once again I assume other mods would too.