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Unread 06-22-2021, 02:31 PM
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Got an hour before the Scotland game so let's do this;

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Originally Posted by RULE View Post
1. Usertitles Deleted

So im in two minds over this point, so my proposal is one of these two options:

A) All usertitles, besides staff title & HoF'er are removed, and only titles won as of Jan 2022 onwards will be awarded (This is to work along side a much more reduced tourney schedule which i'll propose later).
The only reason people hated user titles is because there were so many that it diminished the championships for others. In like 2021, people like me winning titles is why the titles have diminished. If some nobody wins a title because only 3 people are in a tournament, their title isn't diminished because Meta4 also has one.

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B) All usertitles are to receive an expiry period of 5 years. This excludes HoF & staff titles.

A section can be put on a users profile (in place of the award system perhaps) to permanently display usertitles.

I think when you see 20+ people with 5 titles apiece it reduces the desire to win them. When i started on this site 5% of users had titles, now it seems like 50% do.
It's absolutely dumbfounding that you imagine LB in 5 years and the biggest concern to you is whether or not someone from 10 years ago still has a title. Imagine us 5 years ago from now and look at what it's become. Do you actually see ANYTHING in 5 years?


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2. Reduced Tournament Schedule

I think we should strip it back to the basics. Two tournament max a year, One a Grand Championship perhaps?

I think we need tournaments to become more special and unique. If you have one / two every month it gets too much.

I think one tournament a year should definitely have a cash prize.
You probably can't run a 32 man tournament on LB, even running one a year. Every single tournament has like 10 people posting at most. It doesn't matter whether it's Scheme or One Bar cause no one cares either way.


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3. Forum Cleanse

Ive started this discussion here: https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172808

Strip the site back, make less forums, less clutter.
Sure, it'd make the forums look busier maybe, but people don't use any of those threads right now so it wouldn't drive any traffic.

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4. Close the Unranked & Exclusive Battle Sections

Again, too much clutter, and never used.
Again, as you say, never used. Therefore it's not causing any negatives. Therefore removing it wont result in a positive.

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5. Audio Battles - Written Only

Freestyle battles are generally abused i find, let's make all battles officially written. Less drama that way.
Makes no difference really. Probably the only possible thing you could have result from this is the only few freestyle battlers leaving.

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6. Cypher Sections Reduced

Audio section closed (Audio cyphers are pretty much tracks right?)

Text section reduced / changed. A solo most votes top 20 list, a solo most recent top 20 list. Thats it.
Reduced? I've not seen a text cypher with a vote on it since like 2009, and any one that did have one had it from me as I was farming credits.

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7. Rankings Reset

Again im a little torn about this, but i think as of Dec 31st 2021 the ranking should be frozen (and moved somewhere for prosperity, HoF perhaps?) but ultimately reset as of Jan 1st 2022 to encourage the active members to get involved.
Delete all their battles. Show them how it feels.

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Originally Posted by RULE View Post
8. Ratings Removed on Battles & Tracks

Everyone rates every track a 10, every cypher a ten etc etc, lets get rid of them. I think an upvote / downvote system would be just as effective.

And with battles, i think you should vote for a winner only. Rating i think are redundant when an expo is already required.
Genuinely the only half decent idea.

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9. No Title / Name Reinstation Upon Account Deletion

Simply - If you request your account is deleted, you lose the username and titles permanently. Deleting accounts is a massive issue for the site, i think we need to curb the occurrence of it as much as possible.

Perhaps signing a disclaimer upon account registration would help.
What if your account gets deleted for being mean to RULE? EDIT: Also the delete button has never been necessary. GDPR doesn't apply to LB. Firstly, we're not signing up with sensitive data. Secondly, even if we did, no website in the world allows you to pull the plug and straight delete. You can request your data be removed.




But really, it's just nonsense man. Firstly, you can't implement half of this. You have no power or ability to remove sections or ratings etc. Your big mandate is to request coding...from X...who's said he's been doing this shit for 5 years. I dunno what it is about their family but lying about v4 is absolutely insanely a family trait at this stage.

LB is done man. You gotta accept it. We don't get new members and those who somehow do stumble across the website don't even understand how to use it because they, and I'm not exaggerating, might not have been born when LB was created. LB's design is from 15 years ago. I joined LB when I was 14 years old, like a tonne of people on here.

There's next to no successful forum sites on the world now. It's still probably the only coded battle site, but no one's looking for text battle sites themselves. You would have to physically bring the site to the people, and drastically change the product you were bringing first.

I imagine this will frustrate you, probably because half of those ideas up there were mine. I bitched at you for fucking years about usertitles, and forums, and the unranked section. But look around man. Nothing you propose will increase membership. At the absolute most, it will slow losing members, and we're already not retaining members so by the time you get X to do something, you want to preserve LB in a year's time?

Unless someone wants to buy a website that X admits operates at a loss fueled purely off of nostalgia and name alone, then LB isn't ever going to improve from right now. Today is the best it'll ever be again, right now.
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EtH
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1 Won / 0 Lost
Estimated Skill in Text: 7.13/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 7.13/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 7.13/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 7.13/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 7.13/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 7.13/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 7.13/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 7.2/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 7.2/10 starsEstimated Skill in Text: 7.2/10 stars
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Got an hour before the Scotland game so let's do this;

Quote:
Originally Posted by RULE View Post
1. Usertitles Deleted

So im in two minds over this point, so my proposal is one of these two options:

A) All usertitles, besides staff title & HoF'er are removed, and only titles won as of Jan 2022 onwards will be awarded (This is to work along side a much more reduced tourney schedule which i'll propose later).
The only reason people hated user titles is because there were so many that it diminished the championships for others. In like 2021, people like me winning titles is why the titles have diminished. If some nobody wins a title because only 3 people are in a tournament, their title isn't diminished because Meta4 also has one.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RULE View Post
B) All usertitles are to receive an expiry period of 5 years. This excludes HoF & staff titles.

A section can be put on a users profile (in place of the award system perhaps) to permanently display usertitles.

I think when you see 20+ people with 5 titles apiece it reduces the desire to win them. When i started on this site 5% of users had titles, now it seems like 50% do.
It's absolutely dumbfounding that you imagine LB in 5 years and the biggest concern to you is whether or not someone from 10 years ago still has a title. Imagine us 5 years ago from now and look at what it's become. Do you actually see ANYTHING in 5 years?


Quote:
Originally Posted by RULE View Post
2. Reduced Tournament Schedule

I think we should strip it back to the basics. Two tournament max a year, One a Grand Championship perhaps?

I think we need tournaments to become more special and unique. If you have one / two every month it gets too much.

I think one tournament a year should definitely have a cash prize.
You probably can't run a 32 man tournament on LB, even running one a year. Every single tournament has like 10 people posting at most. It doesn't matter whether it's Scheme or One Bar cause no one cares either way.


Quote:
Originally Posted by RULE View Post
3. Forum Cleanse

Ive started this discussion here: https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172808

Strip the site back, make less forums, less clutter.
Sure, it'd make the forums look busier maybe, but people don't use any of those threads right now so it wouldn't drive any traffic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RULE View Post
4. Close the Unranked & Exclusive Battle Sections

Again, too much clutter, and never used.
Again, as you say, never used. Therefore it's not causing any negatives. Therefore removing it wont result in a positive.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RULE View Post
5. Audio Battles - Written Only

Freestyle battles are generally abused i find, let's make all battles officially written. Less drama that way.
Makes no difference really. Probably the only possible thing you could have result from this is the only few freestyle battlers leaving.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RULE View Post
6. Cypher Sections Reduced

Audio section closed (Audio cyphers are pretty much tracks right?)

Text section reduced / changed. A solo most votes top 20 list, a solo most recent top 20 list. Thats it.
Reduced? I've not seen a text cypher with a vote on it since like 2009, and any one that did have one had it from me as I was farming credits.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RULE View Post
7. Rankings Reset

Again im a little torn about this, but i think as of Dec 31st 2021 the ranking should be frozen (and moved somewhere for prosperity, HoF perhaps?) but ultimately reset as of Jan 1st 2022 to encourage the active members to get involved.
Delete all their battles. Show them how it feels.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RULE View Post
8. Ratings Removed on Battles & Tracks

Everyone rates every track a 10, every cypher a ten etc etc, lets get rid of them. I think an upvote / downvote system would be just as effective.

And with battles, i think you should vote for a winner only. Rating i think are redundant when an expo is already required.
Genuinely the only half decent idea.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RULE View Post
9. No Title / Name Reinstation Upon Account Deletion

Simply - If you request your account is deleted, you lose the username and titles permanently. Deleting accounts is a massive issue for the site, i think we need to curb the occurrence of it as much as possible.

Perhaps signing a disclaimer upon account registration would help.
What if your account gets deleted for being mean to RULE? EDIT: Also the delete button has never been necessary. GDPR doesn't apply to LB. Firstly, we're not signing up with sensitive data. Secondly, even if we did, no website in the world allows you to pull the plug and straight delete. You can request your data be removed.




But really, it's just nonsense man. Firstly, you can't implement half of this. You have no power or ability to remove sections or ratings etc. Your big mandate is to request coding...from X...who's said he's been doing this shit for 5 years. I dunno what it is about their family but lying about v4 is absolutely insanely a family trait at this stage.

LB is done man. You gotta accept it. We don't get new members and those who somehow do stumble across the website don't even understand how to use it because they, and I'm not exaggerating, might not have been born when LB was created. LB's design is from 15 years ago. I joined LB when I was 14 years old, like a tonne of people on here.

There's next to no successful forum sites on the world now. It's still probably the only coded battle site, but no one's looking for text battle sites themselves. You would have to physically bring the site to the people, and drastically change the product you were bringing first.

I imagine this will frustrate you, probably because half of those ideas up there were mine. I bitched at you for fucking years about usertitles, and forums, and the unranked section. But look around man. Nothing you propose will increase membership. At the absolute most, it will slow losing members, and we're already not retaining members so by the time you get X to do something, you want to preserve LB in a year's time?

Unless someone wants to buy a website that X admits operates at a loss fueled purely off of nostalgia and name alone, then LB isn't ever going to improve from right now. Today is the best it'll ever be again, right now.

Last edited by EtH; 06-22-2021 at 02:37 PM.
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