Science/Religion Debate (BE RESPECTFUL)

Originally Posted by Dono

Christian god supposedly has three attributes.

God is all knowing.
God is all powerful.
God is all good.

If that's the case there should be no evil or pain in the world. Oh but you need pain to know pleasure you say? Why? I can concieve of a state of existence where you could feel pleasure and not need to know pain. If god is all knowing, he knows that. If he is all powerful he should be able to change the paramaters of our reality. If he is all good he must know that is preferential to being in pain.

So God must be lacking at least one of these attributes.......that means I'm not listening to any of the other shit in the Bible or anywhere else from these sources.

If god exists it is not in any form espouted by religion, at least Christianity. Just pure logic, don't really need examples. If someone can refute this let me know.

Earth is generally not conceived as heaven, specifically in Christianity as you said. Earth has pain and suffering because this is not paradise. This is the test. We go through this to prove out worth, and prove ourselves as people. God doesn't architect each person to be a good person. God doesn't control it all. Humans are born with freewill, and are not free from concious thought, so decisions are all made from us.

Originally Posted by Dono

Christian god supposedly has three attributes.

God is all knowing.
God is all powerful.
God is all good.

If that's the case there should be no evil or pain in the world. Oh but you need pain to know pleasure you say? Why? I can concieve of a state of existence where you could feel pleasure and not need to know pain. If god is all knowing, he knows that. If he is all powerful he should be able to change the paramaters of our reality. If he is all good he must know that is preferential to being in pain.

So God must be lacking at least one of these attributes.......that means I'm not listening to any of the other shit in the Bible or anywhere else from these sources.

If god exists it is not in any form espouted by religion, at least Christianity. Just pure logic, don't really need examples. If someone can refute this let me know.

Earth is generally not conceived as heaven, specifically in Christianity as you said. Earth has pain and suffering because this is not paradise. This is the test. We go through this to prove out worth, and prove ourselves as people. God doesn't architect each person to be a good person. God doesn't control it all. Humans are born with freewill, and are not free from concious thought, so decisions are all made from us.

[Dono]

Originally Posted by EtH

Earth is generally not conceived as heaven, specifically in Christianity as you said. Earth has pain and suffering because this is not paradise. This is the test. We go through this to prove out worth, and prove ourselves as people. God doesn't architect each person to be a good person. God doesn't control it all. Humans are born with freewill, and are not free from concious thought, so decisions are all made from us.

I won't accept that. If god is all good he wouldn't make us suffer. He could just as easily just put us in heaven. Why not? Why only let some of your beings in? All good I would imagine means you want everyone to feel the utmost fulfillment possible, not burn in hell lmao. You can't be 'all good' and create evil.

Also, considering god made all things, we don't have any free will. He's all powerful and controls every aspect. I compare it to running a computer program. If you build a program (and had infinite knowledge) you would know exactly how whatever program you built would run. Some people are just gonna go to hell because they were made that way.

[Dono]

Originally Posted by EtH

Earth is generally not conceived as heaven, specifically in Christianity as you said. Earth has pain and suffering because this is not paradise. This is the test. We go through this to prove out worth, and prove ourselves as people. God doesn't architect each person to be a good person. God doesn't control it all. Humans are born with freewill, and are not free from concious thought, so decisions are all made from us.

I won't accept that. If god is all good he wouldn't make us suffer. He could just as easily just put us in heaven. Why not? Why only let some of your beings in? All good I would imagine means you want everyone to feel the utmost fulfillment possible, not burn in hell lmao. You can't be 'all good' and create evil.

Also, considering god made all things, we don't have any free will. He's all powerful and controls every aspect. I compare it to running a computer program. If you build a program (and had infinite knowledge) you would know exactly how whatever program you built would run. Some people are just gonna go to hell because they were made that way.

Originally Posted by Dono

I won't accept that. If god is all good he wouldn't make us suffer. He could just as easily just put us in heaven. Why not? Why only let some of your beings in? All good I would imagine means you want everyone to feel the utmost fulfillment possible, not burn in hell lmao. You can't be 'all good' and create evil.

Also, considering god made all things, we don't have any free will. He's all powerful and controls every aspect. I compare it to running a computer program. If you build a program (and had infinite knowledge) you would know exactly how whatever program you built would run. Some people are just gonna go to hell because they were made that way.

You can't do this conversation based off the perception you have from non scripture. God isn't all loving and peaceful. Vengeance, wrath and pain are a big part of the bible.

Again, who's to say God doesn't want to test us? My sensei is a good guy, but he doesn't just hand me a black belt. You're trying to use logic knowing NOTHING about what you're being logical about. If God is real, how do you know ANYTHING about him/her/it? The bible doesn't give many characteristics except love really, and that could be the same love as dropping your kid in the deep end of the pool.

Originally Posted by Dono

I won't accept that. If god is all good he wouldn't make us suffer. He could just as easily just put us in heaven. Why not? Why only let some of your beings in? All good I would imagine means you want everyone to feel the utmost fulfillment possible, not burn in hell lmao. You can't be 'all good' and create evil.

Also, considering god made all things, we don't have any free will. He's all powerful and controls every aspect. I compare it to running a computer program. If you build a program (and had infinite knowledge) you would know exactly how whatever program you built would run. Some people are just gonna go to hell because they were made that way.

You can't do this conversation based off the perception you have from non scripture. God isn't all loving and peaceful. Vengeance, wrath and pain are a big part of the bible.

Again, who's to say God doesn't want to test us? My sensei is a good guy, but he doesn't just hand me a black belt. You're trying to use logic knowing NOTHING about what you're being logical about. If God is real, how do you know ANYTHING about him/her/it? The bible doesn't give many characteristics except love really, and that could be the same love as dropping your kid in the deep end of the pool.

[Dono]

Originally Posted by EtH

You can't do this conversation based off the perception you have from non scripture. God isn't all loving and peaceful. Vengeance, wrath and pain are a big part of the bible.

Again, who's to say God doesn't want to test us? My sensei is a good guy, but he doesn't just hand me a black belt. You're trying to use logic knowing NOTHING about what you're being logical about. If God is real, how do you know ANYTHING about him/her/it? The bible doesn't give many characteristics except love really, and that could be the same love as dropping your kid in the deep end of the pool.

Your sensei isn't capable of just inserting the knowledge directly into your being. God is. I've never wanted anyone who I love to feel pain, if I was capable of removing it I would do so. Especially if I controlled every aspect, I would have my loved ones in a forever idealized state.

What end could it possibly serve for God to create us, let us wander around, and damn some of us? Y'all just wanna believe there's something after you die and a higher power you can be accountable to. The bible is full of inconsistencies.

The entire concept of a test is completely pointless. Would you give out an exam to students if you KNOW without a doubt the score they will get? What good is that.

[Dono]

Originally Posted by EtH

You can't do this conversation based off the perception you have from non scripture. God isn't all loving and peaceful. Vengeance, wrath and pain are a big part of the bible.

Again, who's to say God doesn't want to test us? My sensei is a good guy, but he doesn't just hand me a black belt. You're trying to use logic knowing NOTHING about what you're being logical about. If God is real, how do you know ANYTHING about him/her/it? The bible doesn't give many characteristics except love really, and that could be the same love as dropping your kid in the deep end of the pool.

Your sensei isn't capable of just inserting the knowledge directly into your being. God is. I've never wanted anyone who I love to feel pain, if I was capable of removing it I would do so. Especially if I controlled every aspect, I would have my loved ones in a forever idealized state.

What end could it possibly serve for God to create us, let us wander around, and damn some of us? Y'all just wanna believe there's something after you die and a higher power you can be accountable to. The bible is full of inconsistencies.

The entire concept of a test is completely pointless. Would you give out an exam to students if you KNOW without a doubt the score they will get? What good is that.

Originally Posted by Dono

Your sensei isn't capable of just inserting the knowledge directly into your being. God is. I've never wanted anyone who I love to feel pain, if I was capable of removing it I would do so. Especially if I controlled every aspect, I would have my loved ones in a forever idealized state.

What end could it possibly serve for God to create us, let us wander around, and damn some of us? Y'all just wanna believe there's something after you die and a higher power you can be accountable to. The bible is full of inconsistencies.

The entire concept of a test is completely pointless. Would you give out an exam to students if you KNOW without a doubt the score they will get? What good is that.

You are using your love for a brother or sister, gf or whatever, as your basis. How can you possible comprehend the feelings of a GOD? God doesn't have human emotions. He's not some guy playing puppet master. You can't just use the logic you implement on your day to day life to something that could have created every single thing you've ever known.

Basically, what you're doing is being a guy in the pub saying "The Government should just kill the leader of North Korea" not thinking of allllllll the other aspects that he can't even comprehend that would come into effect.

Originally Posted by Dono

Your sensei isn't capable of just inserting the knowledge directly into your being. God is. I've never wanted anyone who I love to feel pain, if I was capable of removing it I would do so. Especially if I controlled every aspect, I would have my loved ones in a forever idealized state.

What end could it possibly serve for God to create us, let us wander around, and damn some of us? Y'all just wanna believe there's something after you die and a higher power you can be accountable to. The bible is full of inconsistencies.

The entire concept of a test is completely pointless. Would you give out an exam to students if you KNOW without a doubt the score they will get? What good is that.

You are using your love for a brother or sister, gf or whatever, as your basis. How can you possible comprehend the feelings of a GOD? God doesn't have human emotions. He's not some guy playing puppet master. You can't just use the logic you implement on your day to day life to something that could have created every single thing you've ever known.

Basically, what you're doing is being a guy in the pub saying "The Government should just kill the leader of North Korea" not thinking of allllllll the other aspects that he can't even comprehend that would come into effect.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by EtH

Earth is generally not conceived as heaven, specifically in Christianity as you said. Earth has pain and suffering because this is not paradise. This is the test. We go through this to prove out worth, and prove ourselves as people. God doesn't architect each person to be a good person. God doesn't control it all. Humans are born with freewill, and are not free from concious thought, so decisions are all made from us.

"I'm going to test you even though I already know every choice you could make and every possible outcome from said choices, rendering the entire testing phase a waste of time"

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by EtH

Earth is generally not conceived as heaven, specifically in Christianity as you said. Earth has pain and suffering because this is not paradise. This is the test. We go through this to prove out worth, and prove ourselves as people. God doesn't architect each person to be a good person. God doesn't control it all. Humans are born with freewill, and are not free from concious thought, so decisions are all made from us.

"I'm going to test you even though I already know every choice you could make and every possible outcome from said choices, rendering the entire testing phase a waste of time"