Atheism

[Obey]

I'm going to put it this way: When I die, if I'm wrong.. I die. If I'm right, when I die.. I spend eternity with God and you suffer. In the long-run, who's the winner? Belief=Hope.

[Obey]

I'm going to put it this way: When I die, if I'm wrong.. I die. If I'm right, when I die.. I spend eternity with God and you suffer. In the long-run, who's the winner? Belief=Hope.

[Krhyme Killz]

Originally Posted by Obey

I'm going to put it this way: When I die, if I'm wrong.. I die. If I'm right, when I die.. I spend eternity with God and you suffer. In the long-run, who's the winner? Belief=Hope.

your 'belief' is based upon a self serving purpose though...are you trying to 'fool' God?

[Krhyme Killz]

Originally Posted by Obey

I'm going to put it this way: When I die, if I'm wrong.. I die. If I'm right, when I die.. I spend eternity with God and you suffer. In the long-run, who's the winner? Belief=Hope.

your 'belief' is based upon a self serving purpose though...are you trying to 'fool' God?

[Obey]

You're twisting my words, I believe in God. But if I am wrong (as you say) what's there to lose?

[Obey]

You're twisting my words, I believe in God. But if I am wrong (as you say) what's there to lose?

[Krhyme Killz]

Originally Posted by Obey

You're twisting my words, I believe in God. But if I am wrong (as you say) what's there to lose?

if you even look at it like that then you are doubting it man...

if you are wrong, then you've spent your life making decisions based off of a fallacy, g...whether or not that set of beliefs have dictated the choices you make in life or not is questionable...what is not questionable is that what you've believed is not real. and to me...that means alot because its kept you from finding other truths

[Krhyme Killz]

Originally Posted by Obey

You're twisting my words, I believe in God. But if I am wrong (as you say) what's there to lose?

if you even look at it like that then you are doubting it man...

if you are wrong, then you've spent your life making decisions based off of a fallacy, g...whether or not that set of beliefs have dictated the choices you make in life or not is questionable...what is not questionable is that what you've believed is not real. and to me...that means alot because its kept you from finding other truths

[Obey]

You're acting like I'm in the covert my whole life. I'm optimistic to other possibilities, but I'll still always believe there's a creator to our Earth, (God to me). And how's it wasting my time? If anything I'm stronger of a person for following my beliefs, rather than falling victim of being a follower. I've set my own path in life and that should be respected, whether you think I'm wrong or right. NO ONE will ever know till that heart stops beating, the fact that it's kept a mystery for all this time is another reason for me to believe there's something sacred about it.

[Obey]

You're acting like I'm in the covert my whole life. I'm optimistic to other possibilities, but I'll still always believe there's a creator to our Earth, (God to me). And how's it wasting my time? If anything I'm stronger of a person for following my beliefs, rather than falling victim of being a follower. I've set my own path in life and that should be respected, whether you think I'm wrong or right. NO ONE will ever know till that heart stops beating, the fact that it's kept a mystery for all this time is another reason for me to believe there's something sacred about it.

[Spooky Deep]

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Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

He isn't really very bright, as in he says a lot of dumb shit and acts like a retard 24/7, but he is fucking hilarious.

Probably a cultural thing but I don't find Kat funny at all, although Chapelle is hilarious.

Originally Posted by Noble

Lol...that's fair. In my experience, there are different kinds of atheists. It is only so-called "strong/positive atheists" that I sometimes have a problem with. I think of "atheist" as a somewhat relative term and that we are all atheistic towards someone's beliefs. If a Hindu has his own concept of god and disbelieves a Christian's concept of god, as far as that Christian is concerned, that Hindu might as well be atheist because his god (Jehovah) is the only true god, therefore, a belief in another god is really a lack of belief in God. Historically, the Greek term atheos (without gods) from which "atheist" is derived, was applied to not only true atheists but also people who did have belief in deities, just not the Greek ones.
I also think that "god" is an idea first and foremost, and there is no denying that the idea exists. With the multitudinous definitions of the term "god', the term "atheist" becomes even more ambiguous, especially when it pre-supposes that all uses and definitions of "god" fits into a certain criteria. If in my conceptualization of god, I concluded that god is water, would you deny that water exists? If not, then you wouldn't be atheistic towards my belief. If you argued that water exists but it isn't god, then you obviously have a belief that god (as an idea) exists as well. You'd have to have a clear concept of god to be able to say what god is or isn't or to even believe or disbelieve in god. WE ALL BELIEVE THAT GOD EXISTS. The only difference is what we believe god exists as. To some people, god exists as an actual physical omnipotent entity in the universe. To others, god exists as a fictional character, word in the dictionary, a figment of some people's imagination....still an existence. So admit it @Nicholas. You believe that god exists. You just just don't believe that he exists as nothing more than an idea.

Sure, but if I was to say "God exists" people's interpretation of that phrase would not be God exists as a word, or a imaginary friend to some people. It would be that I believe in a God in a religious manner, which isn't remotely true.

You could say that we're all Atheists, some are just more Atheistic than others. Even a Christian is an Atheist to some degree, he believes in one God but he doesn't believe in Hinduism, Buddhism, Greek Gods etc.

I think if you ponder it more Noble you will come to the same conclusion, that God doesn't "exist". Or at least it's incredibly unlikely.

In fact, the existence of some of these Gods people believe in would be a horrific thing. The Christian God preaches homophobia, Islam preaches to kill those who lose faith etc. If God exists as some of you believe, then he/she is incredibly sadistic having created things like Parasites that eat the host alive, Animals that have to kill each other simply to survive. We all know the real world isn't a nice place, it's an amazing place but it has no mercy. We've all seen Lions rip Zebras apart for example. Why are your Gods so cruel?

---------- Post added at 01:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:23 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Obey

I'm going to put it this way: When I die, if I'm wrong.. I die. If I'm right, when I die.. I spend eternity with God and you suffer. In the long-run, who's the winner? Belief=Hope.

Originally Posted by Obey

You're acting like I'm in the covert my whole life. I'm optimistic to other possibilities, but I'll still always believe there's a creator to our Earth, (God to me). And how's it wasting my time? If anything I'm stronger of a person for following my beliefs, rather than falling victim of being a follower. I've set my own path in life and that should be respected, whether you think I'm wrong or right. NO ONE will ever know till that heart stops beating, the fact that it's kept a mystery for all this time is another reason for me to believe there's something sacred about it.

I know you're back-peddling now but your first post sounds like you believe simply because you're scared of going to hell. That's one of the reasons religion is so successful. Do you really think people that don't believe should be subjected to hell? Do you want to support that belief?

Even if a Christian God did exist I wouldn't worship him because his actions are disgusting.

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

He isn't really very bright, as in he says a lot of dumb shit and acts like a retard 24/7, but he is fucking hilarious.

Probably a cultural thing but I don't find Kat funny at all, although Chapelle is hilarious.

Originally Posted by Noble

Lol...that's fair. In my experience, there are different kinds of atheists. It is only so-called "strong/positive atheists" that I sometimes have a problem with. I think of "atheist" as a somewhat relative term and that we are all atheistic towards someone's beliefs. If a Hindu has his own concept of god and disbelieves a Christian's concept of god, as far as that Christian is concerned, that Hindu might as well be atheist because his god (Jehovah) is the only true god, therefore, a belief in another god is really a lack of belief in God. Historically, the Greek term atheos (without gods) from which "atheist" is derived, was applied to not only true atheists but also people who did have belief in deities, just not the Greek ones.
I also think that "god" is an idea first and foremost, and there is no denying that the idea exists. With the multitudinous definitions of the term "god', the term "atheist" becomes even more ambiguous, especially when it pre-supposes that all uses and definitions of "god" fits into a certain criteria. If in my conceptualization of god, I concluded that god is water, would you deny that water exists? If not, then you wouldn't be atheistic towards my belief. If you argued that water exists but it isn't god, then you obviously have a belief that god (as an idea) exists as well. You'd have to have a clear concept of god to be able to say what god is or isn't or to even believe or disbelieve in god. WE ALL BELIEVE THAT GOD EXISTS. The only difference is what we believe god exists as. To some people, god exists as an actual physical omnipotent entity in the universe. To others, god exists as a fictional character, word in the dictionary, a figment of some people's imagination....still an existence. So admit it @Nicholas. You believe that god exists. You just just don't believe that he exists as nothing more than an idea.

Sure, but if I was to say "God exists" people's interpretation of that phrase would not be God exists as a word, or a imaginary friend to some people. It would be that I believe in a God in a religious manner, which isn't remotely true.

You could say that we're all Atheists, some are just more Atheistic than others. Even a Christian is an Atheist to some degree, he believes in one God but he doesn't believe in Hinduism, Buddhism, Greek Gods etc.

I think if you ponder it more Noble you will come to the same conclusion, that God doesn't "exist". Or at least it's incredibly unlikely.

In fact, the existence of some of these Gods people believe in would be a horrific thing. The Christian God preaches homophobia, Islam preaches to kill those who lose faith etc. If God exists as some of you believe, then he/she is incredibly sadistic having created things like Parasites that eat the host alive, Animals that have to kill each other simply to survive. We all know the real world isn't a nice place, it's an amazing place but it has no mercy. We've all seen Lions rip Zebras apart for example. Why are your Gods so cruel?

---------- Post added at 01:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:23 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Obey

I'm going to put it this way: When I die, if I'm wrong.. I die. If I'm right, when I die.. I spend eternity with God and you suffer. In the long-run, who's the winner? Belief=Hope.

Originally Posted by Obey

You're acting like I'm in the covert my whole life. I'm optimistic to other possibilities, but I'll still always believe there's a creator to our Earth, (God to me). And how's it wasting my time? If anything I'm stronger of a person for following my beliefs, rather than falling victim of being a follower. I've set my own path in life and that should be respected, whether you think I'm wrong or right. NO ONE will ever know till that heart stops beating, the fact that it's kept a mystery for all this time is another reason for me to believe there's something sacred about it.

I know you're back-peddling now but your first post sounds like you believe simply because you're scared of going to hell. That's one of the reasons religion is so successful. Do you really think people that don't believe should be subjected to hell? Do you want to support that belief?

Even if a Christian God did exist I wouldn't worship him because his actions are disgusting.

[The Dope Man]

Originally Posted by Fidel Z

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[The Dope Man]

Originally Posted by Fidel Z

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[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

I think if you ponder it more Noble you will come to the same conclusion, that God doesn't "exist". Or at least it's incredibly unlikely.

I have pondered it. Like I stated earlier, I was an atheist by the time I was 12. Later on I became agnostic when atheism became untenable for me. Over time, I've shifted from agnosticism as well. I hear what you're saying though.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

I think if you ponder it more Noble you will come to the same conclusion, that God doesn't "exist". Or at least it's incredibly unlikely.

I have pondered it. Like I stated earlier, I was an atheist by the time I was 12. Later on I became agnostic when atheism became untenable for me. Over time, I've shifted from agnosticism as well. I hear what you're saying though.

Originally Posted by Tha Dope Man

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Originally Posted by Tha Dope Man

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~1~

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