Should Mods VP be greater than 4?

[Askari]

Originally Posted by Unyqe

I dont think ones opinion should be drastically higher than anothers. Yes Mods are good voters but so are a lot of other voters on this site. When all voting comes down to opinion I find it unfair to put so much wieght on what someone thinks.

But mods don't always agree with each other; they're there as they're viewed as unbiased and judge based on the technical aspects of the verses and - of course - personal preference comes into it to an extent; two mods might vote for you while another two vote for your opponent. If 3 or 4 mods vote on your battle and all vote the same way then you can deduct that the person with the votes had the better verse.

The issue is someone/some groups of buddy's can be voting stupidly and for those they're cool with; if we have no evidence we can't delete the votes or lower vp's (without a clearly recurring pattern at least), so often the mod vote is exercised in making sure that votes reflect verses rather than popularity. I can guarantee most of yourself and the other active respectable heads have avoided L's due to mods dropping fair and unbiased votes. They have a higher VP because - in many cases - they have to.

RULE, myself, AfterThought, Just C, Phil, Jason etc are all in our positions - with higher VP's - because we've earned the right to have more influence in battles through experience and from proving over time that our votes are consistently fair, educated and technically based as far as possible (just like FVC, but with the credentials to merit full staff position). Preference only comes in when two verses are very technically sound and matched on all levels; it's a very small proportion of final decisions.

[Askari]

Originally Posted by Unyqe

I dont think ones opinion should be drastically higher than anothers. Yes Mods are good voters but so are a lot of other voters on this site. When all voting comes down to opinion I find it unfair to put so much wieght on what someone thinks.

But mods don't always agree with each other; they're there as they're viewed as unbiased and judge based on the technical aspects of the verses and - of course - personal preference comes into it to an extent; two mods might vote for you while another two vote for your opponent. If 3 or 4 mods vote on your battle and all vote the same way then you can deduct that the person with the votes had the better verse.

The issue is someone/some groups of buddy's can be voting stupidly and for those they're cool with; if we have no evidence we can't delete the votes or lower vp's (without a clearly recurring pattern at least), so often the mod vote is exercised in making sure that votes reflect verses rather than popularity. I can guarantee most of yourself and the other active respectable heads have avoided L's due to mods dropping fair and unbiased votes. They have a higher VP because - in many cases - they have to.

RULE, myself, AfterThought, Just C, Phil, Jason etc are all in our positions - with higher VP's - because we've earned the right to have more influence in battles through experience and from proving over time that our votes are consistently fair, educated and technically based as far as possible (just like FVC, but with the credentials to merit full staff position). Preference only comes in when two verses are very technically sound and matched on all levels; it's a very small proportion of final decisions.

[J u s T C]

pretty much everything Askari said

[J u s T C]

pretty much everything Askari said

[Askari]

PS. Apologies for rambling, I'm nursing a come down after finishing exams and celebrating for a solid 24 hours. Life is a struggle today.

[Askari]

PS. Apologies for rambling, I'm nursing a come down after finishing exams and celebrating for a solid 24 hours. Life is a struggle today.

[RULE]

Originally Posted by Askari

But mods don't always agree with each other; they're there as they're viewed as unbiased and judge based on the technical aspects of the verses and - of course - personal preference comes into it to an extent; two mods might vote for you while another two vote for your opponent. If 3 or 4 mods vote on your battle and all vote the same way then you can deduct that the person with the votes had the better verse.

The issue is someone/some groups of buddy's can be voting stupidly and for those they're cool with; if we have no evidence we can't delete the votes or lower vp's (without a clearly recurring pattern at least), so often the mod vote is exercised in making sure that votes reflect verses rather than popularity. I can guarantee most of yourself and the other active respectable heads have avoided L's due to mods dropping fair and unbiased votes. They have a higher VP because - in many cases - they have to.

RULE, myself, AfterThought, Just C, Phil, Jason etc are all in our positions - with higher VP's - because we've earned the right to have more influence in battles through experience and from proving over time that our votes are consistently fair, educated and technically based as far as possible (just like FVC, but with the credentials to merit full staff position). Preference only comes in when two verses are very technically sound and matched on all levels; it's a very small proportion of final decisions.

Fully agree.

[RULE]

Originally Posted by Askari

But mods don't always agree with each other; they're there as they're viewed as unbiased and judge based on the technical aspects of the verses and - of course - personal preference comes into it to an extent; two mods might vote for you while another two vote for your opponent. If 3 or 4 mods vote on your battle and all vote the same way then you can deduct that the person with the votes had the better verse.

The issue is someone/some groups of buddy's can be voting stupidly and for those they're cool with; if we have no evidence we can't delete the votes or lower vp's (without a clearly recurring pattern at least), so often the mod vote is exercised in making sure that votes reflect verses rather than popularity. I can guarantee most of yourself and the other active respectable heads have avoided L's due to mods dropping fair and unbiased votes. They have a higher VP because - in many cases - they have to.

RULE, myself, AfterThought, Just C, Phil, Jason etc are all in our positions - with higher VP's - because we've earned the right to have more influence in battles through experience and from proving over time that our votes are consistently fair, educated and technically based as far as possible (just like FVC, but with the credentials to merit full staff position). Preference only comes in when two verses are very technically sound and matched on all levels; it's a very small proportion of final decisions.

Fully agree.

[J u s T C]

The reason we have such a high VP [Which Askari already touched on earlier] Is because we have to deal with hate votes and self voters on your battles/reverse losses ect and sometimes the only way to get around that is by voting our selves with a higher vp.

Example

Say if I go to reverse a loss into a win on someone's battle, sometimes the system will only allow for the battle to be re opened for votes deleting all the votes that brought about the initial loss [clean slate] Since I'm trying to make sure the loss gets turned into a win for the other party I have to vote then with my higher VP to go some way to assuring it gets turned into a win in case 1 or more people don't read my comment then vote for the other person who's win I am trying to reverse whilst its still open for votes

[J u s T C]

The reason we have such a high VP [Which Askari already touched on earlier] Is because we have to deal with hate votes and self voters on your battles/reverse losses ect and sometimes the only way to get around that is by voting our selves with a higher vp.

Example

Say if I go to reverse a loss into a win on someone's battle, sometimes the system will only allow for the battle to be re opened for votes deleting all the votes that brought about the initial loss [clean slate] Since I'm trying to make sure the loss gets turned into a win for the other party I have to vote then with my higher VP to go some way to assuring it gets turned into a win in case 1 or more people don't read my comment then vote for the other person who's win I am trying to reverse whilst its still open for votes

[IV]

I also remember Phil banks wanted go text VP lowered (I think)

[IV]

I also remember Phil banks wanted go text VP lowered (I think)

@Askari, alright, you picked a decent punch of voters there. But that's a pretty biased way to look at it. Wigsplit, Student, Mindless, X, Pugz etc. There guys aren't really known for being dope battlers, and don't really have too much top level experience with text battling. So why was their opinions held in higher regard than, again I'll use myself for example. Mods arent taken on because they are good at text battling or know how to vote well. They are taken on as helpful and productive trustworthy members of the site.

@Askari, alright, you picked a decent punch of voters there. But that's a pretty biased way to look at it. Wigsplit, Student, Mindless, X, Pugz etc. There guys aren't really known for being dope battlers, and don't really have too much top level experience with text battling. So why was their opinions held in higher regard than, again I'll use myself for example. Mods arent taken on because they are good at text battling or know how to vote well. They are taken on as helpful and productive trustworthy members of the site.

[RULE]

Originally Posted by Dave

@Askari, alright, you picked a decent punch of voters there. But that's a pretty biased way to look at it. Wigsplit, Student, Mindless, X, Pugz etc. There guys aren't really known for being dope battlers, and don't really have too much top level experience with text battling. So why was their opinions held in higher regard than, again I'll use myself for example. Mods arent taken on because they are good at text battling or know how to vote well. They are taken on as helpful and productive trustworthy members of the site.

Wiggy & student arent staff now and Pugz & X have lowered VP.

[RULE]

Originally Posted by Dave

@Askari, alright, you picked a decent punch of voters there. But that's a pretty biased way to look at it. Wigsplit, Student, Mindless, X, Pugz etc. There guys aren't really known for being dope battlers, and don't really have too much top level experience with text battling. So why was their opinions held in higher regard than, again I'll use myself for example. Mods arent taken on because they are good at text battling or know how to vote well. They are taken on as helpful and productive trustworthy members of the site.

Wiggy & student arent staff now and Pugz & X have lowered VP.

[Askari]

Originally Posted by RULE

Wiggy & student arent staff now and Pugz & X have lowered VP.

This ^^^^

[Askari]

Originally Posted by RULE

Wiggy & student arent staff now and Pugz & X have lowered VP.

This ^^^^

What has changed in the last year since Wig was a mod? Mods have ALWAYS had higher VP, and mods have NEVER been recruited on skill level, battling experience or knowledge. The only reason the current mod team is better is because we went through a phase of "Only Classick members become staff" lmao. How about this. A mod could be inactive in battling for years, but stay helping out the site in other ways. If they then decide to vote on something, even though they are rusty in all aspects of battling, their judgement is still ranked higher than others? Having a green name doesnt make your opinion any more valid than someone elses. Everyone should have quite a high VP, and the only realy changes should be deductions to VP.

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Originally Posted by Just C

The reason we have such a high VP [Which Askari already touched on earlier] Is because we have to deal with hate votes and self voters on your battles/reverse losses ect and sometimes the only way to get around that is by voting our selves with a higher vp.

Example

Say if I go to reverse a loss into a win on someone's battle, sometimes the system will only allow for the battle to be re opened for votes deleting all the votes that brought about the initial loss [clean slate] Since I'm trying to make sure the loss gets turned into a win for the other party I have to vote then with my higher VP to go some way to assuring it gets turned into a win in case 1 or more people don't read my comment then vote for the other person who's win I am trying to reverse whilst its still open for votes

Can't you just delete the votes for the offending guy?

And that's not what we're talking about anyways. That's more of a system error. We're talking about actual judgement in battling.

What has changed in the last year since Wig was a mod? Mods have ALWAYS had higher VP, and mods have NEVER been recruited on skill level, battling experience or knowledge. The only reason the current mod team is better is because we went through a phase of "Only Classick members become staff" lmao. How about this. A mod could be inactive in battling for years, but stay helping out the site in other ways. If they then decide to vote on something, even though they are rusty in all aspects of battling, their judgement is still ranked higher than others? Having a green name doesnt make your opinion any more valid than someone elses. Everyone should have quite a high VP, and the only realy changes should be deductions to VP.

---------- Post added at 03:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:49 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Just C

The reason we have such a high VP [Which Askari already touched on earlier] Is because we have to deal with hate votes and self voters on your battles/reverse losses ect and sometimes the only way to get around that is by voting our selves with a higher vp.

Example

Say if I go to reverse a loss into a win on someone's battle, sometimes the system will only allow for the battle to be re opened for votes deleting all the votes that brought about the initial loss [clean slate] Since I'm trying to make sure the loss gets turned into a win for the other party I have to vote then with my higher VP to go some way to assuring it gets turned into a win in case 1 or more people don't read my comment then vote for the other person who's win I am trying to reverse whilst its still open for votes

Can't you just delete the votes for the offending guy?

And that's not what we're talking about anyways. That's more of a system error. We're talking about actual judgement in battling.