Political Correctness

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

"Never said the NYPD was a trusted organization".. Yet, you source them? I guess you don't know how sourcing works.

"I trust the NYPD over you".. Then why do you believe black people are being targeted by the police? Cuz the NYPD will say it doesn't happen. And It's regular citizens who speak out against police brutality. So do you only believe the police are corrupt when it suits your needs?

I'll let you in on a little secret, the police, DA and the whole judicial system gets raises, promotions, bribes and political clout by making arrests. The more arrests the bigger the budget they get. So of course they're going to always claim crime is on the rise. To get more money and take away more rights. You can't trust those who are paid to keep you in chains, homie.

And your proof of increased hate crimes against muslims is a link to gay guys fighting with some weirdo on a moped. A link with no "conviction" at that? Lol what ever bro. And btw, you're making the claim so the burden of proof is on you. Show me actual convictions of white people committing hate crimes against muslims. Maybe, the increase you speak of was those 4 black people who kidnapped and tortured that white handicapped Trump supporter? They were charged with hate crimes. Lolololol.

I came up with my idea of all the hoaxes being hoaxes after reading twenty articles about twenty hoaxes. If hoaxes weren't so prominent then why couldn't you post an actual hate crime against a Muslim? Nope, just gay guys.

I actually don't watch TV or rely on just websites or any of that. But when I do I listen to all stations, all experts, then follow the stories and leads myself. Ascertain to who's credible and who's not. If you're a far left weirdo or a neocon I definitely won't believe you easily. I read Breitbart, watch Stefan Molyneaux, James Corbett and many others but I also listen to and watch KNPR, CNN, MSNBC and a slew of liberal media. Not to mention, I've studied political science to a far greater degree than most.

"What's a black neighborhood"? LOLOLOL!! Are you serious? Semantics little bro!! You don't know what a black neighborhood is but have no problem identifying a white one. And see this is the problem with pc, you approach this with a smug attitude that you're morally superior to this white racist who's just too inferior to comprehend the reality of it all. When you just admitted black neighborhoods usually are more dangerous. I grew up in a mixed hood and believe me the area that was all black white boys didn't dare go alone lol.. Besides, fool, I've actually donated money time and have done tons of charity work! In these neighborhoods. From the poor to the sick. I've been there. And what, you have some moral high ground over me just cuz of the words you choose to use? Put your money where your mouth is and maybe I'll find you credible.

My hypothetical about black neighborhoods being dangerous has you all bent out of shape. Even though you admitted it yourself. Pc causes you to break with reality apparently.

And I'm not going to argue against classism as that's my dominion. You put all your chickens in the racism coupe.

The argument is about pc being good or not. Obviously, it's not good cuz this convo is not pc. You just make ad hominem attacks by making non pc akin to being racist or using racial slurs. Which it's not.

You're making straw-man arguments...putting words in my mouth, then arguing against those statements I never made. I'm tired of saying "I never said this or that..." so I'll just ignore those parts of your argument. Moving along...
I'm familiar with how most police departments issue arrest quotas and the whole prison industrial complex. You asked for links where an arrest was made and I provided one and asked you to Google the rest. You never asked for links showing convictions. Now you want to disqualify the link because it doesn't talk about a conviction? Lol...okay, I give up bro...you're right, they're all hoaxes. Smh! I did mention hate crimes against Muslims, but I was also talking about a rise in hate crimes in general. When I sourced that NYPD article, the NYPD were talking about a rise in hate crimes period, against Jews, Muslims, Gays, whatever. So you want to discount the article because it wasn't specifically about a hate crime against a Muslim? Whatever it takes man! You won the argument. Lol. I hope you realize that "What's a black neighborhood" was a rhetorical question. I haven't claimed any moral high ground over you because of my choice of words. What I've tried to argue is that 1) people's choice of words often contain implicit narratives...2) some narratives can be threatening or considered dangerous by some minority groups and...3) when they get all "PC" about your choice of words, it is not the truth of what you're saying or your freedom of speech that they are trying to stifle. It is often the narrative, which they consider to be dangerous.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

"Never said the NYPD was a trusted organization".. Yet, you source them? I guess you don't know how sourcing works.

"I trust the NYPD over you".. Then why do you believe black people are being targeted by the police? Cuz the NYPD will say it doesn't happen. And It's regular citizens who speak out against police brutality. So do you only believe the police are corrupt when it suits your needs?

I'll let you in on a little secret, the police, DA and the whole judicial system gets raises, promotions, bribes and political clout by making arrests. The more arrests the bigger the budget they get. So of course they're going to always claim crime is on the rise. To get more money and take away more rights. You can't trust those who are paid to keep you in chains, homie.

And your proof of increased hate crimes against muslims is a link to gay guys fighting with some weirdo on a moped. A link with no "conviction" at that? Lol what ever bro. And btw, you're making the claim so the burden of proof is on you. Show me actual convictions of white people committing hate crimes against muslims. Maybe, the increase you speak of was those 4 black people who kidnapped and tortured that white handicapped Trump supporter? They were charged with hate crimes. Lolololol.

I came up with my idea of all the hoaxes being hoaxes after reading twenty articles about twenty hoaxes. If hoaxes weren't so prominent then why couldn't you post an actual hate crime against a Muslim? Nope, just gay guys.

I actually don't watch TV or rely on just websites or any of that. But when I do I listen to all stations, all experts, then follow the stories and leads myself. Ascertain to who's credible and who's not. If you're a far left weirdo or a neocon I definitely won't believe you easily. I read Breitbart, watch Stefan Molyneaux, James Corbett and many others but I also listen to and watch KNPR, CNN, MSNBC and a slew of liberal media. Not to mention, I've studied political science to a far greater degree than most.

"What's a black neighborhood"? LOLOLOL!! Are you serious? Semantics little bro!! You don't know what a black neighborhood is but have no problem identifying a white one. And see this is the problem with pc, you approach this with a smug attitude that you're morally superior to this white racist who's just too inferior to comprehend the reality of it all. When you just admitted black neighborhoods usually are more dangerous. I grew up in a mixed hood and believe me the area that was all black white boys didn't dare go alone lol.. Besides, fool, I've actually donated money time and have done tons of charity work! In these neighborhoods. From the poor to the sick. I've been there. And what, you have some moral high ground over me just cuz of the words you choose to use? Put your money where your mouth is and maybe I'll find you credible.

My hypothetical about black neighborhoods being dangerous has you all bent out of shape. Even though you admitted it yourself. Pc causes you to break with reality apparently.

And I'm not going to argue against classism as that's my dominion. You put all your chickens in the racism coupe.

The argument is about pc being good or not. Obviously, it's not good cuz this convo is not pc. You just make ad hominem attacks by making non pc akin to being racist or using racial slurs. Which it's not.

You're making straw-man arguments...putting words in my mouth, then arguing against those statements I never made. I'm tired of saying "I never said this or that..." so I'll just ignore those parts of your argument. Moving along...
I'm familiar with how most police departments issue arrest quotas and the whole prison industrial complex. You asked for links where an arrest was made and I provided one and asked you to Google the rest. You never asked for links showing convictions. Now you want to disqualify the link because it doesn't talk about a conviction? Lol...okay, I give up bro...you're right, they're all hoaxes. Smh! I did mention hate crimes against Muslims, but I was also talking about a rise in hate crimes in general. When I sourced that NYPD article, the NYPD were talking about a rise in hate crimes period, against Jews, Muslims, Gays, whatever. So you want to discount the article because it wasn't specifically about a hate crime against a Muslim? Whatever it takes man! You won the argument. Lol. I hope you realize that "What's a black neighborhood" was a rhetorical question. I haven't claimed any moral high ground over you because of my choice of words. What I've tried to argue is that 1) people's choice of words often contain implicit narratives...2) some narratives can be threatening or considered dangerous by some minority groups and...3) when they get all "PC" about your choice of words, it is not the truth of what you're saying or your freedom of speech that they are trying to stifle. It is often the narrative, which they consider to be dangerous.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Swagga Lee

You're making straw-man arguments...putting words in my mouth, then arguing against those statements I never made. I'm tired of saying "I never said this or that..." so I'll just ignore those parts of your argument. Moving along...
I'm familiar with how most police departments issue arrest quotas and the whole prison industrial complex. You asked for links where an arrest was made and I provided one and asked you to Google the rest. You never asked for links showing convictions. Now you want to disqualify the link because it doesn't talk about a conviction? Lol...okay, I give up bro...you're right, they're all hoaxes. Smh! I did mention hate crimes against Muslims, but I was also talking about a rise in hate crimes in general. When I sourced that NYPD article, the NYPD were talking about a rise in hate crimes period, against Jews, Muslims, Gays, whatever. So you want to discount the article because it wasn't specifically about a hate crime against a Muslim? Whatever it takes man! You won the argument. Lol. I hope you realize that "What's a black neighborhood" was a rhetorical question. I haven't claimed any moral high ground over you because of my choice of words. What I've tried to argue is that 1) people's choice of words often contain implicit narratives...2) some narratives can be threatening or considered dangerous by some minority groups and...3) when they get all "PC" about your choice of words, it is not the truth of what you're saying or your freedom of speech that they are trying to stifle. It is often the narrative, which they consider to be dangerous.

You just sound brainwashed by communist professors when it comes to the whole pc thing. And no, you said muslims were being targeted, I asked for proof and you sent a link about gay guys. And I just thought it was funny that these hate crimes have spiked so much yet all you can find is links about gay guys and even that didn't involve an arrest. Your link disqualified itself honestly. Cuz you said crimes against muslims went up. Donald Trump was also the first nominee for president to have gay pride flags on stage with him. You live in a bubble, a giant echo chamber.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Swagga Lee

You're making straw-man arguments...putting words in my mouth, then arguing against those statements I never made. I'm tired of saying "I never said this or that..." so I'll just ignore those parts of your argument. Moving along...
I'm familiar with how most police departments issue arrest quotas and the whole prison industrial complex. You asked for links where an arrest was made and I provided one and asked you to Google the rest. You never asked for links showing convictions. Now you want to disqualify the link because it doesn't talk about a conviction? Lol...okay, I give up bro...you're right, they're all hoaxes. Smh! I did mention hate crimes against Muslims, but I was also talking about a rise in hate crimes in general. When I sourced that NYPD article, the NYPD were talking about a rise in hate crimes period, against Jews, Muslims, Gays, whatever. So you want to discount the article because it wasn't specifically about a hate crime against a Muslim? Whatever it takes man! You won the argument. Lol. I hope you realize that "What's a black neighborhood" was a rhetorical question. I haven't claimed any moral high ground over you because of my choice of words. What I've tried to argue is that 1) people's choice of words often contain implicit narratives...2) some narratives can be threatening or considered dangerous by some minority groups and...3) when they get all "PC" about your choice of words, it is not the truth of what you're saying or your freedom of speech that they are trying to stifle. It is often the narrative, which they consider to be dangerous.

You just sound brainwashed by communist professors when it comes to the whole pc thing. And no, you said muslims were being targeted, I asked for proof and you sent a link about gay guys. And I just thought it was funny that these hate crimes have spiked so much yet all you can find is links about gay guys and even that didn't involve an arrest. Your link disqualified itself honestly. Cuz you said crimes against muslims went up. Donald Trump was also the first nominee for president to have gay pride flags on stage with him. You live in a bubble, a giant echo chamber.

[Student]

PC gets thrown around too much these days, it's the new ignorant.

[Student]

PC gets thrown around too much these days, it's the new ignorant.

The issue with "political correctness" is that it's determining what is and isn't a "correct" opinion. People are actively working to limit and silence these "incorrect opinions" no matter what their content may be, and because mainstream media falls on the side of political correctness, people are pandering to these ridiculous beliefs.

The issue with more people who say things like "SJW" or "PC culture" is that they often take a hard stance in the other side of the fence, and the hard stance on that side is filled with hatred and negativity.

For example; any black death at the hands of a white police officer. The "PC" side jumps onto "Well this is the absolute worst thing ever, an outrage, this is terrible, something must be done to punish this white cop" while the other side say "this is bullshit. He clearly did this and that to deserve it".

When you break it down, one of these sides is pushing towards looking into the system and putting them on trial, which will decide their fate (although unfortunately they won't accept a decision that doesn't fit their agenda). The other side is immediately dismissing the possibility of murder at the hands of someone in a position of power, for what?

Overall, if you take a hard stance on anything you're in the wrong place. Political correctness is about being a victim and silencing others (for example, Nick has called me homophobic because I personally don't believe there is any need for an LBGTQ+batmansymbol-^% parade). The opposite is about feeling that people SHOULD feel insulted and hurt, even though those people very often have not had to overcome as much adversity to actually feel like they are no longer being insulted and hurt.

In short, stop being a cunt.

The issue with "political correctness" is that it's determining what is and isn't a "correct" opinion. People are actively working to limit and silence these "incorrect opinions" no matter what their content may be, and because mainstream media falls on the side of political correctness, people are pandering to these ridiculous beliefs.

The issue with more people who say things like "SJW" or "PC culture" is that they often take a hard stance in the other side of the fence, and the hard stance on that side is filled with hatred and negativity.

For example; any black death at the hands of a white police officer. The "PC" side jumps onto "Well this is the absolute worst thing ever, an outrage, this is terrible, something must be done to punish this white cop" while the other side say "this is bullshit. He clearly did this and that to deserve it".

When you break it down, one of these sides is pushing towards looking into the system and putting them on trial, which will decide their fate (although unfortunately they won't accept a decision that doesn't fit their agenda). The other side is immediately dismissing the possibility of murder at the hands of someone in a position of power, for what?

Overall, if you take a hard stance on anything you're in the wrong place. Political correctness is about being a victim and silencing others (for example, Nick has called me homophobic because I personally don't believe there is any need for an LBGTQ+batmansymbol-^% parade). The opposite is about feeling that people SHOULD feel insulted and hurt, even though those people very often have not had to overcome as much adversity to actually feel like they are no longer being insulted and hurt.

In short, stop being a cunt.

[Wayco]

Bottom line, point blank, period.. If the PC police, on this thread and in rl had their way hip hop would be outlawed and rappers would be imprisoned. Rap is about as anti PC as you can get. And not too many years ago, many of the same leftist leaders and *right wing free speech advocates* you call revolutionaries now were trying to ban hiphop. Guess we forget our history and how quickly the gun can be flipped onto us. *edit to be more inclusive*

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In short, stop being a cunt.

I agree with most of what you said. But I feel you're confusing PC with the left / right dichotomy that's currently dividing our political system. Pc is not a left or a right wing concept. But rather a tactic employed to further divide the country. Republicans basically want freedom from government and democrats want freedom given by government.

[Wayco]

Bottom line, point blank, period.. If the PC police, on this thread and in rl had their way hip hop would be outlawed and rappers would be imprisoned. Rap is about as anti PC as you can get. And not too many years ago, many of the same leftist leaders and *right wing free speech advocates* you call revolutionaries now were trying to ban hiphop. Guess we forget our history and how quickly the gun can be flipped onto us. *edit to be more inclusive*

---------- Post added at 08:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:11 AM ----------

In short, stop being a cunt.

I agree with most of what you said. But I feel you're confusing PC with the left / right dichotomy that's currently dividing our political system. Pc is not a left or a right wing concept. But rather a tactic employed to further divide the country. Republicans basically want freedom from government and democrats want freedom given by government.

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

Bottom line, point blank, period.. If the PC police, on this thread and in rl had their way hip hop would be outlawed and rappers would be imprisoned.

Yeah, all of us lefties are hanging out on this site and rapping because we hate Hip Hop. It's an inside operation.

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

Bottom line, point blank, period.. If the PC police, on this thread and in rl had their way hip hop would be outlawed and rappers would be imprisoned.

Yeah, all of us lefties are hanging out on this site and rapping because we hate Hip Hop. It's an inside operation.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

Yeah, all of us lefties are hanging out on this site and rapping because we hate Hip Hop. It's an inside operation.

Never said you were intelligent. But yes, essentially, you're asking to ban hiphop 👏

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

Yeah, all of us lefties are hanging out on this site and rapping because we hate Hip Hop. It's an inside operation.

Never said you were intelligent. But yes, essentially, you're asking to ban hiphop 👏

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

Never said you were intelligent. But yes, essentially, you're asking to ban hiphop 👏

Yeah. Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco, KRS ONE, Macklemore, Jay Z, Nas.... we all hate hip hop.

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

Never said you were intelligent. But yes, essentially, you're asking to ban hiphop 👏

Yeah. Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco, KRS ONE, Macklemore, Jay Z, Nas.... we all hate hip hop.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

Yeah. Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco, KRS ONE, Macklemore, Jay Z, Nas.... we all hate hip hop.

Never said you hated hiphop. Nice try. And if any of them are asking for restrictions to free speech they're looking at a hiphop ban themselves. Right now you're picking and choosing what pc is to you and saying ban what you want. But obviously, rap, which has been called misogynistic, racist, homophobic and sexist will be the first to go.

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Originally Posted by Nicholas

Yeah. Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco, KRS ONE, Macklemore, Jay Z, Nas.... we all hate hip hop.

You're honestly on the verge of trolling.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

Yeah. Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco, KRS ONE, Macklemore, Jay Z, Nas.... we all hate hip hop.

Never said you hated hiphop. Nice try. And if any of them are asking for restrictions to free speech they're looking at a hiphop ban themselves. Right now you're picking and choosing what pc is to you and saying ban what you want. But obviously, rap, which has been called misogynistic, racist, homophobic and sexist will be the first to go.

---------- Post added at 08:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:43 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Nicholas

Yeah. Talib Kweli, Lupe Fiasco, KRS ONE, Macklemore, Jay Z, Nas.... we all hate hip hop.

You're honestly on the verge of trolling.

Nick, one thing funny to me is that Lyve's ridiculous responses remind me so much of yours. "You honestly must be trolling right now" = "I disagree with your opinion but am frustrated that my flawed replies are not changing your entire beliefs".

None the less, Lyve saying I'm confusing whatever with the "left and right" is where this stupidity comes in. People convince themselves that they must tailor their entire belief system around some bullshit expression and label. You don't have to automatically assume every black person shot by a white person is guilty, nor do you have to assume they are innocent. You can take that situation as an individual point. People pick a side, or a label, then proceed to surround themselves with an exclusively biased form of media. If every time you log onto the internet you see an article saying that the white man's doing this, that college kids are doing that, that men are doing whatever, you will start to belief that that's the only narrative that makes sense.

Here's an example (aka here's a personal against me if we ever battle). When my girlfriend put up the "announcement" of us going out, she got 3 guys saying creepy shit. One a random dude who gave her a lift home one night 7 months before I knew her who actually used a picture I'm in, kissing her, as the basis of his "hey you look hot" message. Another was a guy saying some weird shit who it turns out with she was seeing for a bit. Another I can'tt remember. She thinks it's normal for guys to act like this now. She says that shit happens to her friends all the time and it's just something you "accept" as being a girl in 2017. I dunno if it's just cause I missed out on this whole 'tinder / internet dating' shit, but that shit is completely not normal, and I'd tell my best mate he was being a fucking weirdo if he acted like that with a girl.

When everything that surrounds you is saying one thing (or everything you surround yourself with in the case of PC culture / anti-PC culture), you are going to start to believe it.

Nick, one thing funny to me is that Lyve's ridiculous responses remind me so much of yours. "You honestly must be trolling right now" = "I disagree with your opinion but am frustrated that my flawed replies are not changing your entire beliefs".

None the less, Lyve saying I'm confusing whatever with the "left and right" is where this stupidity comes in. People convince themselves that they must tailor their entire belief system around some bullshit expression and label. You don't have to automatically assume every black person shot by a white person is guilty, nor do you have to assume they are innocent. You can take that situation as an individual point. People pick a side, or a label, then proceed to surround themselves with an exclusively biased form of media. If every time you log onto the internet you see an article saying that the white man's doing this, that college kids are doing that, that men are doing whatever, you will start to belief that that's the only narrative that makes sense.

Here's an example (aka here's a personal against me if we ever battle). When my girlfriend put up the "announcement" of us going out, she got 3 guys saying creepy shit. One a random dude who gave her a lift home one night 7 months before I knew her who actually used a picture I'm in, kissing her, as the basis of his "hey you look hot" message. Another was a guy saying some weird shit who it turns out with she was seeing for a bit. Another I can'tt remember. She thinks it's normal for guys to act like this now. She says that shit happens to her friends all the time and it's just something you "accept" as being a girl in 2017. I dunno if it's just cause I missed out on this whole 'tinder / internet dating' shit, but that shit is completely not normal, and I'd tell my best mate he was being a fucking weirdo if he acted like that with a girl.

When everything that surrounds you is saying one thing (or everything you surround yourself with in the case of PC culture / anti-PC culture), you are going to start to believe it.