So, I know this shit sounds crazy but

[King John]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

in regards to Mindleses point, I differ somewhat greatly from Marx and classic communist thought.

in regards to your point student, I disagree. I think that human nature is the reason communism is the hope for the future of humanity.

So I'm going to take you guys through my whole thought process im working with right now.
It's directly related toward this concept of human nature.

Also, I must admit this ideology is far from finished, I still have a lot of work to do with it.

I first should state that I am, unlike Marx a strong believer in the social contract.

In case some of you may not be familiar with this thought process, it goes as such:

First off, the the natural state of man is WAR, whether by force or sheer necessity.

Government is then legitimized through social contract, which is the banding of people together for common good. Or, in more direct terms, INTERDEPENDENCE for EXISTENCE.

Interdependence, that's my main talking point, because that is the most basic and powerful bond that two people can assert between themselves.

Why do I say this? I don't believe in the concept of altruism. I don't believe that it's possible to be selfless, I think that desire and self-want govern and control our every action.

thus, the social contract (interdependence) is the strongest possible bond between people, because it appeals to the most basic wants, the want for self. Self-preservation is the strongest and most basic of these wants.

to a point, these bonds are already encapsulated in existing government. that's why I come to my next point, which is:

EQUALITY IN INTERDEPENDENCE. Or, as you may like to put it, communism.

Why is this?

Continuing on, EQUALITY in INTERDEPENDENCE. Remember, the concept is to progress society, to make the world a better place to live.

In a civilization, which by definition is populated by other people, I believe the greatest (social) achievement possible is to value the people around you, the community. When is happens, we see an decrease in crime, a rise in the social norm, acceptance, ect. ect.

now note, this is (seemingly) in contradiction toward my earlier statement about altruism. No, it's not. When you are EQUAL to somebody, that is when you are EQUALLY INTERDEPENDENT. You matter to that person as much as they do to you.

Your survival from the state of WAR is just as predicated on your survival as it is on his, that's what equality implies.

Communism is the most utilitarian of any governmental system and that what governments about, right? (Unless your a republican )
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Fire away.


Epically long post.

See you said it yourself, it seems to contradict itself because it does, if somebody's most basic instinct is self preservation, than the idea that he/she would consider another person as equally as important as him/herself isn't true.

[King John]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

in regards to Mindleses point, I differ somewhat greatly from Marx and classic communist thought.

in regards to your point student, I disagree. I think that human nature is the reason communism is the hope for the future of humanity.

So I'm going to take you guys through my whole thought process im working with right now.
It's directly related toward this concept of human nature.

Also, I must admit this ideology is far from finished, I still have a lot of work to do with it.

I first should state that I am, unlike Marx a strong believer in the social contract.

In case some of you may not be familiar with this thought process, it goes as such:

First off, the the natural state of man is WAR, whether by force or sheer necessity.

Government is then legitimized through social contract, which is the banding of people together for common good. Or, in more direct terms, INTERDEPENDENCE for EXISTENCE.

Interdependence, that's my main talking point, because that is the most basic and powerful bond that two people can assert between themselves.

Why do I say this? I don't believe in the concept of altruism. I don't believe that it's possible to be selfless, I think that desire and self-want govern and control our every action.

thus, the social contract (interdependence) is the strongest possible bond between people, because it appeals to the most basic wants, the want for self. Self-preservation is the strongest and most basic of these wants.

to a point, these bonds are already encapsulated in existing government. that's why I come to my next point, which is:

EQUALITY IN INTERDEPENDENCE. Or, as you may like to put it, communism.

Why is this?

Continuing on, EQUALITY in INTERDEPENDENCE. Remember, the concept is to progress society, to make the world a better place to live.

In a civilization, which by definition is populated by other people, I believe the greatest (social) achievement possible is to value the people around you, the community. When is happens, we see an decrease in crime, a rise in the social norm, acceptance, ect. ect.

now note, this is (seemingly) in contradiction toward my earlier statement about altruism. No, it's not. When you are EQUAL to somebody, that is when you are EQUALLY INTERDEPENDENT. You matter to that person as much as they do to you.

Your survival from the state of WAR is just as predicated on your survival as it is on his, that's what equality implies.

Communism is the most utilitarian of any governmental system and that what governments about, right? (Unless your a republican )
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Fire away.


Epically long post.

See you said it yourself, it seems to contradict itself because it does, if somebody's most basic instinct is self preservation, than the idea that he/she would consider another person as equally as important as him/herself isn't true.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by King John

See you said it yourself, it seems to contradict itself because it does, if somebody's most basic instinct is self preservation, than the idea that he/she would consider another person as equally as important as him/herself isn't true.

the concept is equal interdependence.

Your existence is just as predicated upon theirs is yours.

yea, there is a fundamental flaw here. it's not hard to pick up. I'm working on it .

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by King John

See you said it yourself, it seems to contradict itself because it does, if somebody's most basic instinct is self preservation, than the idea that he/she would consider another person as equally as important as him/herself isn't true.

the concept is equal interdependence.

Your existence is just as predicated upon theirs is yours.

yea, there is a fundamental flaw here. it's not hard to pick up. I'm working on it .