Tyler the Creator is the best.......

[Erupt da Monsta]

Originally Posted by EtH

It's hard to bring proper art into the rapping side of things itself, but I'd say storytelling is probably where most of it comes through. It's not like poetry because it's not inherently written with a tone. The tone is produced through the delivery and the music. But things like imagery and storytelling are definitely possible but how many rappers actually look at things like that? It kind of kills me listening to music sometimes where I'm like "So man, what's the point of this song? Like if you imagine pitching this song to a director or something, what's the topic here? What's the point? Oh, just the tales of the streets....AGAIN....any tale in specific? Oh just general shit that you've seen in your life arranged in no specific order or story....fantastic".

@EtH .. Man... There are so many gems in that one statement you just made. Like real life gems. The whole part about crafting a song with a storyline in a specific order that you'd pitch to a director... Straight gem. I'll be applying that to my next song/EP.


@Student ... Yeah the guy literally makes his own concerts too... He's actually a creative genius and doesn't get enough credit. He did win a grammy recently but still... I think people are just now starting to appreciate his genius.

[Erupt da Monsta]

Originally Posted by EtH

It's hard to bring proper art into the rapping side of things itself, but I'd say storytelling is probably where most of it comes through. It's not like poetry because it's not inherently written with a tone. The tone is produced through the delivery and the music. But things like imagery and storytelling are definitely possible but how many rappers actually look at things like that? It kind of kills me listening to music sometimes where I'm like "So man, what's the point of this song? Like if you imagine pitching this song to a director or something, what's the topic here? What's the point? Oh, just the tales of the streets....AGAIN....any tale in specific? Oh just general shit that you've seen in your life arranged in no specific order or story....fantastic".

@EtH .. Man... There are so many gems in that one statement you just made. Like real life gems. The whole part about crafting a song with a storyline in a specific order that you'd pitch to a director... Straight gem. I'll be applying that to my next song/EP.


@Student ... Yeah the guy literally makes his own concerts too... He's actually a creative genius and doesn't get enough credit. He did win a grammy recently but still... I think people are just now starting to appreciate his genius.

[EtH]

Originally Posted by Erupt

@EtH .. Man... There are so many gems in that one statement you just made. Like real life gems. The whole part about crafting a song with a storyline in a specific order that you'd pitch to a director... Straight gem. I'll be applying that to my next song/EP.

For the sake of this, pretend I could rap and didn't sound exactly like I sound haha...

Whenever I thought of writing a track, I always wrote sounding that would sound terrible. My mind was so caught up in the story or the purpose as opposed to "Well what just sounds good?". I think an important part of rapping is figuring out how to make stuff sound good. You know how Tupac has a certain way of saying a small collection of words together that all just sounded great? Like the lines in 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted;

"Picture perfect, I paint a perfect picture
Bomb the hoochies with precision, my intention's to get richer"

Shit sounds really good together. It's complete nonsense, but he figured out "Ah man that sounds awesome when I say that". I think a lot of people focusing too much on the art side forget that ultimately this is supposed to be listened to and enjoyed. I've always hated Immortal Technique's Dance With The Devil because as a song, I think it just sounds terrible. He's off beat at times and he's focusing too much on the story and not enough on the actual listenability.

So there's a whole balance and if you've already got the "I can make good sounding music" part down, the world's really your oyster. You can use everything you've learned up to this point to make something people will enjoy, and then just swap out the words to tell or say whatever it is you think's important or artistic.

I know it's fairly bullshit coming from a guy who can't write let alone perform a track, but as a listener when someone can combine some stuff that just sounds good, but it's been written with an intention and there's an actual point to it where if I sat them down and asked for a purpose, they could give me it, that's what I'd call art. RA The Rugged Man in Uncommon Valor. 2pac in Keep Ya Head Up. Happy Birthday by Flipsyde. Those are examples of where I think I could say there's an artistic element, be it the style of performance, the storytelling, the concept etc.

[EtH]

Originally Posted by Erupt

@EtH .. Man... There are so many gems in that one statement you just made. Like real life gems. The whole part about crafting a song with a storyline in a specific order that you'd pitch to a director... Straight gem. I'll be applying that to my next song/EP.

For the sake of this, pretend I could rap and didn't sound exactly like I sound haha...

Whenever I thought of writing a track, I always wrote sounding that would sound terrible. My mind was so caught up in the story or the purpose as opposed to "Well what just sounds good?". I think an important part of rapping is figuring out how to make stuff sound good. You know how Tupac has a certain way of saying a small collection of words together that all just sounded great? Like the lines in 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted;

"Picture perfect, I paint a perfect picture
Bomb the hoochies with precision, my intention's to get richer"

Shit sounds really good together. It's complete nonsense, but he figured out "Ah man that sounds awesome when I say that". I think a lot of people focusing too much on the art side forget that ultimately this is supposed to be listened to and enjoyed. I've always hated Immortal Technique's Dance With The Devil because as a song, I think it just sounds terrible. He's off beat at times and he's focusing too much on the story and not enough on the actual listenability.

So there's a whole balance and if you've already got the "I can make good sounding music" part down, the world's really your oyster. You can use everything you've learned up to this point to make something people will enjoy, and then just swap out the words to tell or say whatever it is you think's important or artistic.

I know it's fairly bullshit coming from a guy who can't write let alone perform a track, but as a listener when someone can combine some stuff that just sounds good, but it's been written with an intention and there's an actual point to it where if I sat them down and asked for a purpose, they could give me it, that's what I'd call art. RA The Rugged Man in Uncommon Valor. 2pac in Keep Ya Head Up. Happy Birthday by Flipsyde. Those are examples of where I think I could say there's an artistic element, be it the style of performance, the storytelling, the concept etc.