The Final March

Originally Posted by HVK

IN ALL HONESTY, WE HAVE 8 CASH TOURNAMENTS PER YEAR, WE HAVE ACTIVE STAFF, THA ACTIVE MEMBER COUNT IS SLOWLY IMPROVING...... WE HAVE A NEW ADMIN, A GOOD SET OF STAFF MEMBERS.......

I DONT BLAME CERTAIN MEMBERS DUDE, I JUS WISH PPL WOULD MAKE A DECISION, EITHER ACCEPT THA SITE HOW IT CURRENTLY IS AN USE THA SITE AS THAT WAY YOUR CONTRIBUTING TO MAKIN IT MORE ACTIVE, ESPECIALLY A SEASONED ACCOUNT LIKE YOURS..... OR JUS TAKE OFF, SEEIN OLDHEADS PUBLICLY MOANIN CONSTANTLY ABOUT LB ONLY MAKES MORE NEWER USERS LEAVE THA SITE COZ YA MAKIN EM THINK ''FUCK THIS'' AN ''WHATS THA POINT'', SO THOSE CERTAIN ACCOUNTS ARE ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THA DEMISE, NOT HELPING THA GROWTH.

BUT HEY WHAT DO I KNOW RIGHT.

You want people to accept the site how it is and expect the users who been here years to make the site active again without nothing in return such as a new site? Have you ever owned/sold products? Do you honestly know how to run a business? When a customer complains, do you blame the customer or do you run the extra mile to make that customer happy? We have a new Admin, yeah but he’s not going to bring us a new site as we’ve been promised years ago.

And you wanna talk about people complaining public. Shouldn’t customers be able to complain publicly? Every platform has a Review section. Amazon, EBay, Apple, GameStop, etc. Just because 10 members log in doesn’t mean the sites active.

Wanna see how active it is here? Start a 32 man tournament and see how many people will sign up, let alone actually participate.

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Originally Posted by Student

You make some valid points Punkish but if it's falling on deaf ears, don't be so quick to abandon this pursuit, as a former staff member I know you once cared about this site, putting in countless hours into Magazines, General & Track Moderator duties and being a regular forum contributor, it's also clear from this post that you still do. I'm always happy to hear any comments, concerns, suggestions, etc. and if I'm able to change something then I have no problem doing so.
I'm willing to take the blame on anything I've messed up (no-showing & bad management of tournaments, etc.) as I hope everyone else will but my general attitude these days is let's move onward & upward.

Maybe that's your perceived general "attitude" or "feeling", certainly not mine, but I can't recall specific examples of staff members blaming the members for the decline in activity.

If anything I've just seen long-time users step up, volunteer, to carry out Moderator duties and help keep the site alive. From the FVC, LBA/LBT monthly PPV cards and the seasonal Cash Tournaments, there's still activity going on here.

Personally I think LB has grown in the past 2 years, since X took back ownership January 2017, fixing a ton of issues and adding a few features as well. With the latest introduction of the seasonal Cash Tournaments, X has proved time and time again that he does genuinely care about LetsBeef even if he can't always be online. There's a new update in the works as you've seen for yourself @Punkish and while I don't have an update on the timeline but I have tested beta site and while it's not fully functional, it's got the general layout and battle system set-up.

This isn't to say it's all rainbows & butterflies though, I won't deny that activity has steadily dropped since 2008, the same year we were promised a new version but it didn't happen until 2017, when NOBLE was able to create a new skin/format for the site but it didn't have the features that were expected. We've had numerous people leave over the years because they were fed up over site politics, lack of communication and constant feature drops but you're right where you say we shouldn't blame each other, or anyone, let's instead figure out a way to make this work, for everyone, because ultimately, we're the ones who benefit.

Bro my only thing is, if people truly did care about the site they would REALLY see that no one behind the scenes PUSHING for new updates. They have other ventures in their lives that definitely priority. Letsbeef is their side gig’s side gig. There’s 24 hours in a day and the guys promising a new site wouldn’t log in for weeks at a time. How aren’t you guys woke by now?

The public site can’t get the same screenshots that the staff got? I feel like that alone will keep members 1000x before leaving after reading a thread like this. That’s a defence but no. There’s only words being thrown at the basic members, not evidence. People will leave. People have left. While you’re working on the new site, give them a reason to stay, not “we’re working on updates, stay active” because we hear that every year.

Originally Posted by HVK

IN ALL HONESTY, WE HAVE 8 CASH TOURNAMENTS PER YEAR, WE HAVE ACTIVE STAFF, THA ACTIVE MEMBER COUNT IS SLOWLY IMPROVING...... WE HAVE A NEW ADMIN, A GOOD SET OF STAFF MEMBERS.......

I DONT BLAME CERTAIN MEMBERS DUDE, I JUS WISH PPL WOULD MAKE A DECISION, EITHER ACCEPT THA SITE HOW IT CURRENTLY IS AN USE THA SITE AS THAT WAY YOUR CONTRIBUTING TO MAKIN IT MORE ACTIVE, ESPECIALLY A SEASONED ACCOUNT LIKE YOURS..... OR JUS TAKE OFF, SEEIN OLDHEADS PUBLICLY MOANIN CONSTANTLY ABOUT LB ONLY MAKES MORE NEWER USERS LEAVE THA SITE COZ YA MAKIN EM THINK ''FUCK THIS'' AN ''WHATS THA POINT'', SO THOSE CERTAIN ACCOUNTS ARE ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THA DEMISE, NOT HELPING THA GROWTH.

BUT HEY WHAT DO I KNOW RIGHT.

You want people to accept the site how it is and expect the users who been here years to make the site active again without nothing in return such as a new site? Have you ever owned/sold products? Do you honestly know how to run a business? When a customer complains, do you blame the customer or do you run the extra mile to make that customer happy? We have a new Admin, yeah but he’s not going to bring us a new site as we’ve been promised years ago.

And you wanna talk about people complaining public. Shouldn’t customers be able to complain publicly? Every platform has a Review section. Amazon, EBay, Apple, GameStop, etc. Just because 10 members log in doesn’t mean the sites active.

Wanna see how active it is here? Start a 32 man tournament and see how many people will sign up, let alone actually participate.

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Originally Posted by Student

You make some valid points Punkish but if it's falling on deaf ears, don't be so quick to abandon this pursuit, as a former staff member I know you once cared about this site, putting in countless hours into Magazines, General & Track Moderator duties and being a regular forum contributor, it's also clear from this post that you still do. I'm always happy to hear any comments, concerns, suggestions, etc. and if I'm able to change something then I have no problem doing so.
I'm willing to take the blame on anything I've messed up (no-showing & bad management of tournaments, etc.) as I hope everyone else will but my general attitude these days is let's move onward & upward.

Maybe that's your perceived general "attitude" or "feeling", certainly not mine, but I can't recall specific examples of staff members blaming the members for the decline in activity.

If anything I've just seen long-time users step up, volunteer, to carry out Moderator duties and help keep the site alive. From the FVC, LBA/LBT monthly PPV cards and the seasonal Cash Tournaments, there's still activity going on here.

Personally I think LB has grown in the past 2 years, since X took back ownership January 2017, fixing a ton of issues and adding a few features as well. With the latest introduction of the seasonal Cash Tournaments, X has proved time and time again that he does genuinely care about LetsBeef even if he can't always be online. There's a new update in the works as you've seen for yourself @Punkish and while I don't have an update on the timeline but I have tested beta site and while it's not fully functional, it's got the general layout and battle system set-up.

This isn't to say it's all rainbows & butterflies though, I won't deny that activity has steadily dropped since 2008, the same year we were promised a new version but it didn't happen until 2017, when NOBLE was able to create a new skin/format for the site but it didn't have the features that were expected. We've had numerous people leave over the years because they were fed up over site politics, lack of communication and constant feature drops but you're right where you say we shouldn't blame each other, or anyone, let's instead figure out a way to make this work, for everyone, because ultimately, we're the ones who benefit.

Bro my only thing is, if people truly did care about the site they would REALLY see that no one behind the scenes PUSHING for new updates. They have other ventures in their lives that definitely priority. Letsbeef is their side gig’s side gig. There’s 24 hours in a day and the guys promising a new site wouldn’t log in for weeks at a time. How aren’t you guys woke by now?

The public site can’t get the same screenshots that the staff got? I feel like that alone will keep members 1000x before leaving after reading a thread like this. That’s a defence but no. There’s only words being thrown at the basic members, not evidence. People will leave. People have left. While you’re working on the new site, give them a reason to stay, not “we’re working on updates, stay active” because we hear that every year.

[The Ghost of Freak]

The site has dwindle because it's less fun than it used to be. I've said my piece about why this is the case and ways to fix it and I'm brushed aside. I'm with @Punkish .

[The Ghost of Freak]

The site has dwindle because it's less fun than it used to be. I've said my piece about why this is the case and ways to fix it and I'm brushed aside. I'm with @Punkish .

[HVK]

@Punkish DUDE IM NOT SAYIN PPL SHOULD ''ACCEPT'' HOW SHIT IS, BUT IN ALL HONESTY WE DONT HAVE A CHOICE, I MAKE THA MOST OF WHATS HERE, AN YOU CANT COMPARE LB TO FACEBOOK, SNAPCHAT, YOUTUBE ETC AS THATS A DIFFERENT LEAGUE ENTIRELY.

YOU EXPECT LB TO HAVE CHANGES, YOU EXPECT IT TO BE AS BUSY AS IT ONCE WAS, YOU EXPECT AN DEMAND AN WANT AN NEED, BUT AT THA END OF THA DAY WE DONT KNOW IF X WILL EVER MAKE THA NEW FEATURES HAPPEN, WE DONT KNOW WHERE LB IS GONNA END UP IN A FEW YEARS TIME...... WHAT WE CAN DO IS RUN THA TOURNAMENTS, RUN THA PPVs, KEEP THA SITE ROLLIN AN HOPEFULLY X WILL INVEST MORE OF HIS TIME AND MONEY....... OR WE COULD ALL JUST COMPLAIN BITCH AN MOAN AN JUS LEAVE THA SITE TO DIE...... I KNOW WHICH OPTION I PREFER....

I DONT HAVE AN ISSUE WIT YOU ON A PERSONAL LEVEL DUDE, I WANT THIS SHIT TO GROW JUS LIKE YOU DO, I HAVE ISSUES BUT I VOICE THEM PRIVATELY AN PROFFESSIONALLY, CONSTANTLY AIRING OUT YA LAUNDRY IS NOT A GOOD MOVE, Y'ALL MADE YA POINT BUT UNDERSTAND SHIT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN TOMORROW, NEXT WEEK OR EVEN NEXT YEAR LOL.

SO STICK AROUND, OR FUCK OFF! LOL

[HVK]

@Punkish DUDE IM NOT SAYIN PPL SHOULD ''ACCEPT'' HOW SHIT IS, BUT IN ALL HONESTY WE DONT HAVE A CHOICE, I MAKE THA MOST OF WHATS HERE, AN YOU CANT COMPARE LB TO FACEBOOK, SNAPCHAT, YOUTUBE ETC AS THATS A DIFFERENT LEAGUE ENTIRELY.

YOU EXPECT LB TO HAVE CHANGES, YOU EXPECT IT TO BE AS BUSY AS IT ONCE WAS, YOU EXPECT AN DEMAND AN WANT AN NEED, BUT AT THA END OF THA DAY WE DONT KNOW IF X WILL EVER MAKE THA NEW FEATURES HAPPEN, WE DONT KNOW WHERE LB IS GONNA END UP IN A FEW YEARS TIME...... WHAT WE CAN DO IS RUN THA TOURNAMENTS, RUN THA PPVs, KEEP THA SITE ROLLIN AN HOPEFULLY X WILL INVEST MORE OF HIS TIME AND MONEY....... OR WE COULD ALL JUST COMPLAIN BITCH AN MOAN AN JUS LEAVE THA SITE TO DIE...... I KNOW WHICH OPTION I PREFER....

I DONT HAVE AN ISSUE WIT YOU ON A PERSONAL LEVEL DUDE, I WANT THIS SHIT TO GROW JUS LIKE YOU DO, I HAVE ISSUES BUT I VOICE THEM PRIVATELY AN PROFFESSIONALLY, CONSTANTLY AIRING OUT YA LAUNDRY IS NOT A GOOD MOVE, Y'ALL MADE YA POINT BUT UNDERSTAND SHIT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN TOMORROW, NEXT WEEK OR EVEN NEXT YEAR LOL.

SO STICK AROUND, OR FUCK OFF! LOL

Originally Posted by HVK

@Punkish DUDE IM NOT SAYIN PPL SHOULD ''ACCEPT'' HOW SHIT IS, BUT IN ALL HONESTY WE DONT HAVE A CHOICE, I MAKE THA MOST OF WHATS HERE, AN YOU CANT COMPARE LB TO FACEBOOK, SNAPCHAT, YOUTUBE ETC AS THATS A DIFFERENT LEAGUE ENTIRELY.

YOU EXPECT LB TO HAVE CHANGES, YOU EXPECT IT TO BE AS BUSY AS IT ONCE WAS, YOU EXPECT AN DEMAND AN WANT AN NEED, BUT AT THA END OF THA DAY WE DONT KNOW IF X WILL EVER MAKE THA NEW FEATURES HAPPEN, WE DONT KNOW WHERE LB IS GONNA END UP IN A FEW YEARS TIME...... WHAT WE CAN DO IS RUN THA TOURNAMENTS, RUN THA PPVs, KEEP THA SITE ROLLIN AN HOPEFULLY X WILL INVEST MORE OF HIS TIME AND MONEY....... OR WE COULD ALL JUST COMPLAIN BITCH AN MOAN AN JUS LEAVE THA SITE TO DIE...... I KNOW WHICH OPTION I PREFER....

I DONT HAVE AN ISSUE WIT YOU ON A PERSONAL LEVEL DUDE, I WANT THIS SHIT TO GROW JUS LIKE YOU DO, I HAVE ISSUES BUT I VOICE THEM PRIVATELY AN PROFFESSIONALLY, CONSTANTLY AIRING OUT YA LAUNDRY IS NOT A GOOD MOVE, Y'ALL MADE YA POINT BUT UNDERSTAND SHIT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN TOMORROW, NEXT WEEK OR EVEN NEXT YEAR LOL.

SO STICK AROUND, OR FUCK OFF! LOL

This makes absolutely no sense. We the members have to motivate the site owner just to get new shit? And the most you have to say to defend this statement is “stick around or fuck off” as if we’re on some uprise. If I stop complaining and everyone stops complaining, X won’t even feel entitled to post anything because you guys are satisfied with how LB is now until you put in a whole bunch of work trying to get your tournaments to run smoothly then realize no one who’s participating is motivated enough to post.

You want people to enjoy LB aim it’s current state are you serious dude? Seriously how can they do that? Ok let’s just say audio battles or text battles stop working tomorrow and X doesn’t feel motivated to fix either of them. What are you gonna tell everyone then? “Stop whining and start learning how to topical battle”?

Yes you can compare Letsbeef to platforms such as Facebook because it’s a business that uses the same online strategies to sell or convince people to use its products. I have nothing against anyone personally, why do you insist there’s a problem? We’re both typing back and forth.

Tell every member that complains that they’re bitching and see how many members your site will keep. I dare ya. When guys like Grizz, Afterthought, Dono, Streetz Da Hood, Dean, Splat, etc used this site we complained about no new site... and that was in 2012-13 here it is 2019.

If you sit around defending X, telling people who’s waited years, to stop bitching, then it’s either you shouldn’t be apart of the staff or those members have every right to leave. You should be pressing your boss every time he logs in about shit like this and why it’s taking so long.

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Members have to be smarter than this. We see 10 members on at once and suddenly we think the sites activity is picking back up because there was 7 people logged in at once 3 weeks ago. OPEN YOUR EYES LB. We can’t even get a date for when we will see this new site. The members can’t even get images, screenshots, evidence.

Originally Posted by HVK

@Punkish DUDE IM NOT SAYIN PPL SHOULD ''ACCEPT'' HOW SHIT IS, BUT IN ALL HONESTY WE DONT HAVE A CHOICE, I MAKE THA MOST OF WHATS HERE, AN YOU CANT COMPARE LB TO FACEBOOK, SNAPCHAT, YOUTUBE ETC AS THATS A DIFFERENT LEAGUE ENTIRELY.

YOU EXPECT LB TO HAVE CHANGES, YOU EXPECT IT TO BE AS BUSY AS IT ONCE WAS, YOU EXPECT AN DEMAND AN WANT AN NEED, BUT AT THA END OF THA DAY WE DONT KNOW IF X WILL EVER MAKE THA NEW FEATURES HAPPEN, WE DONT KNOW WHERE LB IS GONNA END UP IN A FEW YEARS TIME...... WHAT WE CAN DO IS RUN THA TOURNAMENTS, RUN THA PPVs, KEEP THA SITE ROLLIN AN HOPEFULLY X WILL INVEST MORE OF HIS TIME AND MONEY....... OR WE COULD ALL JUST COMPLAIN BITCH AN MOAN AN JUS LEAVE THA SITE TO DIE...... I KNOW WHICH OPTION I PREFER....

I DONT HAVE AN ISSUE WIT YOU ON A PERSONAL LEVEL DUDE, I WANT THIS SHIT TO GROW JUS LIKE YOU DO, I HAVE ISSUES BUT I VOICE THEM PRIVATELY AN PROFFESSIONALLY, CONSTANTLY AIRING OUT YA LAUNDRY IS NOT A GOOD MOVE, Y'ALL MADE YA POINT BUT UNDERSTAND SHIT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN TOMORROW, NEXT WEEK OR EVEN NEXT YEAR LOL.

SO STICK AROUND, OR FUCK OFF! LOL

This makes absolutely no sense. We the members have to motivate the site owner just to get new shit? And the most you have to say to defend this statement is “stick around or fuck off” as if we’re on some uprise. If I stop complaining and everyone stops complaining, X won’t even feel entitled to post anything because you guys are satisfied with how LB is now until you put in a whole bunch of work trying to get your tournaments to run smoothly then realize no one who’s participating is motivated enough to post.

You want people to enjoy LB aim it’s current state are you serious dude? Seriously how can they do that? Ok let’s just say audio battles or text battles stop working tomorrow and X doesn’t feel motivated to fix either of them. What are you gonna tell everyone then? “Stop whining and start learning how to topical battle”?

Yes you can compare Letsbeef to platforms such as Facebook because it’s a business that uses the same online strategies to sell or convince people to use its products. I have nothing against anyone personally, why do you insist there’s a problem? We’re both typing back and forth.

Tell every member that complains that they’re bitching and see how many members your site will keep. I dare ya. When guys like Grizz, Afterthought, Dono, Streetz Da Hood, Dean, Splat, etc used this site we complained about no new site... and that was in 2012-13 here it is 2019.

If you sit around defending X, telling people who’s waited years, to stop bitching, then it’s either you shouldn’t be apart of the staff or those members have every right to leave. You should be pressing your boss every time he logs in about shit like this and why it’s taking so long.

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Members have to be smarter than this. We see 10 members on at once and suddenly we think the sites activity is picking back up because there was 7 people logged in at once 3 weeks ago. OPEN YOUR EYES LB. We can’t even get a date for when we will see this new site. The members can’t even get images, screenshots, evidence.

@Freak @Punkish this site would be fun if you wanted it to be. the tools are there. you just grew up and changed over time. we all did. none of us have the same free time we did ten years ago. not a lot of us still give a shit about winning battles or having a good record. it happens man

but look at the new users, they're happy. they always asking for votes, battling like crazy and learning how to get involved with the forums. the truth is, letsbeef is doing ok considering how long it was left to die.

so freak, this site is fun, to those with rose colored glasses. let me put it this way. when you're fucking a bad bitch doing all these new shit everything is amazing until years pass and sex is ok i guess and the relationship is no longer fun it's just a relationship.

"all flowers in time bend towards the sun"

anyways, it's up to you to make this work for you because all the chnges in the world aren't going to make you suddenly start battling after years of not doing it. and this is a battle rap website.

@Freak @Punkish this site would be fun if you wanted it to be. the tools are there. you just grew up and changed over time. we all did. none of us have the same free time we did ten years ago. not a lot of us still give a shit about winning battles or having a good record. it happens man

but look at the new users, they're happy. they always asking for votes, battling like crazy and learning how to get involved with the forums. the truth is, letsbeef is doing ok considering how long it was left to die.

so freak, this site is fun, to those with rose colored glasses. let me put it this way. when you're fucking a bad bitch doing all these new shit everything is amazing until years pass and sex is ok i guess and the relationship is no longer fun it's just a relationship.

"all flowers in time bend towards the sun"

anyways, it's up to you to make this work for you because all the chnges in the world aren't going to make you suddenly start battling after years of not doing it. and this is a battle rap website.

Originally Posted by g u t s

@Freak @Punkish this site would be fun if you wanted it to be. the tools are there. you just grew up and changed over time. we all did. none of us have the same free time we did ten years ago. not a lot of us still give a shit about winning battles or having a good record. it happens man

but look at the new users, they're happy. they always asking for votes, battling like crazy and learning how to get involved with the forums. the truth is, letsbeef is doing ok considering how long it was left to die.

so freak, this site is fun, to those with rose colored glasses. let me put it this way. when you're fucking a bad bitch doing all these new shit everything is amazing until years pass and sex is ok i guess and the relationship is no longer fun it's just a relationship.

"all flowers in time bend towards the sun"

anyways, it's up to you to make this work for you because all the chnges in the world aren't going to make you suddenly start battling after years of not doing it. and this is a battle rap website.

This makes no sense either. “New users” as if we’re pulling in a bunch of active users. If we’re getting all of these new users, why aren’t any of them ever online? On the average it’s 5-10 people online. Is this the activity you guys are comfortable with? Seriously? We have to make an outdated site work and be happy is what you’re saying. Changes and updates to a program won’t inspire people to battle more is what you’re saying. 2 mods are saying 2 different things.

You claim the site would be fun if I wanted it to be. It would be fun running a tournament with more than 16 sign ups. It would be fun to not have to pick specific browsers just to upload a track. It would be fun seeing the owner on more than once a week when it takes 2 clicks but you guys will defend that as if logging into Letsbeef takes up more than 2 minutes. It would be fun to start a crew and not wait 2 years because staff no longer checks the crew approval page. I can go on.

Originally Posted by g u t s

@Freak @Punkish this site would be fun if you wanted it to be. the tools are there. you just grew up and changed over time. we all did. none of us have the same free time we did ten years ago. not a lot of us still give a shit about winning battles or having a good record. it happens man

but look at the new users, they're happy. they always asking for votes, battling like crazy and learning how to get involved with the forums. the truth is, letsbeef is doing ok considering how long it was left to die.

so freak, this site is fun, to those with rose colored glasses. let me put it this way. when you're fucking a bad bitch doing all these new shit everything is amazing until years pass and sex is ok i guess and the relationship is no longer fun it's just a relationship.

"all flowers in time bend towards the sun"

anyways, it's up to you to make this work for you because all the chnges in the world aren't going to make you suddenly start battling after years of not doing it. and this is a battle rap website.

This makes no sense either. “New users” as if we’re pulling in a bunch of active users. If we’re getting all of these new users, why aren’t any of them ever online? On the average it’s 5-10 people online. Is this the activity you guys are comfortable with? Seriously? We have to make an outdated site work and be happy is what you’re saying. Changes and updates to a program won’t inspire people to battle more is what you’re saying. 2 mods are saying 2 different things.

You claim the site would be fun if I wanted it to be. It would be fun running a tournament with more than 16 sign ups. It would be fun to not have to pick specific browsers just to upload a track. It would be fun seeing the owner on more than once a week when it takes 2 clicks but you guys will defend that as if logging into Letsbeef takes up more than 2 minutes. It would be fun to start a crew and not wait 2 years because staff no longer checks the crew approval page. I can go on.

[The Ghost of Freak]

@g u t s being a bit defensive there. In response to "haven't battled in years", I literally just battled you in the one bar tournament, have dropped admittedly bad text battles recently, and was in last year's scheme and Audio GC? I honestly could walk away from this and have tried before only to come back with hopes of change.

The most popping any live cypher has been on this site in the past few years , I was most likely involved. Don't act like I don't do my part. @Punkish and I are allowed to speak up as long time members. You and other leadership trying to stifle us speaks for itself.


I've recommended reinstating the audio topical tournament several times. I've emphasized that the site should be an all purpose hiphop fiesta, because the ultra focus on battling has pidgeon holed the shit out it. I've pointed out how to better organize live online cypher events in advance and on threads ... And what do I get? Hate and criticism.

The level of preferential treatment towards certain "popular" members is some high school level bullshit. This isn't a community... It's a per cemetery... Full of dead ass pussies. Ya want to go, let's go.

I'm always ready to make things more interesting on this boring ass website. But in the end that is what it's become for most users if you compare it to what it used to be, which is what @Punkish is saying.

I gotta say fuck this site. If you want it with all the hot new battlers, you can have it... LMAO.

I'd be the first one to defend you against 2Gucci, and youd rather throw me under a bus. " Good looks fam. " * Sarcasm*

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PUTTING THE BABY TO BED!

[The Ghost of Freak]

@g u t s being a bit defensive there. In response to "haven't battled in years", I literally just battled you in the one bar tournament, have dropped admittedly bad text battles recently, and was in last year's scheme and Audio GC? I honestly could walk away from this and have tried before only to come back with hopes of change.

The most popping any live cypher has been on this site in the past few years , I was most likely involved. Don't act like I don't do my part. @Punkish and I are allowed to speak up as long time members. You and other leadership trying to stifle us speaks for itself.


I've recommended reinstating the audio topical tournament several times. I've emphasized that the site should be an all purpose hiphop fiesta, because the ultra focus on battling has pidgeon holed the shit out it. I've pointed out how to better organize live online cypher events in advance and on threads ... And what do I get? Hate and criticism.

The level of preferential treatment towards certain "popular" members is some high school level bullshit. This isn't a community... It's a per cemetery... Full of dead ass pussies. Ya want to go, let's go.

I'm always ready to make things more interesting on this boring ass website. But in the end that is what it's become for most users if you compare it to what it used to be, which is what @Punkish is saying.

I gotta say fuck this site. If you want it with all the hot new battlers, you can have it... LMAO.

I'd be the first one to defend you against 2Gucci, and youd rather throw me under a bus. " Good looks fam. " * Sarcasm*

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PUTTING THE BABY TO BED!

[HVK]

@Punkish BELIEVE ME I WANT THA CHANGES ALSO, AND I HAVE VOICED THAT IN THREADS BEFORE, BUT WHILE WE WAIT TO SEE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS IM GONNA DO WHAT I CAN TO KEEP THA SITE RUNNING, IM NOT GONNA BE THREATENIN TO QUIT THEN DELETE MY ACCOUNT, AN MOAN AN MOAN........ WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THA SITUATION THATS ALL, THESE BACK AN FORTHS ARE USLESS, PM X AN EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY, AN IF YOU HAVE THEN ITS A WAITING GAME...... IM GONNA HELP THA SITE KEEP RUNNIN AN BE AS ACTIVE AS I CAN, YOUR GONNA POP UP EVERY FEW MONTHS WITH A ''WHERES THA CHANGES AT?'' THREAD....... ITS ALL GOOD.

[HVK]

@Punkish BELIEVE ME I WANT THA CHANGES ALSO, AND I HAVE VOICED THAT IN THREADS BEFORE, BUT WHILE WE WAIT TO SEE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS IM GONNA DO WHAT I CAN TO KEEP THA SITE RUNNING, IM NOT GONNA BE THREATENIN TO QUIT THEN DELETE MY ACCOUNT, AN MOAN AN MOAN........ WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THA SITUATION THATS ALL, THESE BACK AN FORTHS ARE USLESS, PM X AN EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY, AN IF YOU HAVE THEN ITS A WAITING GAME...... IM GONNA HELP THA SITE KEEP RUNNIN AN BE AS ACTIVE AS I CAN, YOUR GONNA POP UP EVERY FEW MONTHS WITH A ''WHERES THA CHANGES AT?'' THREAD....... ITS ALL GOOD.

Originally Posted by HVK

@Punkish BELIEVE ME I WANT THA CHANGES ALSO, AND I HAVE VOICED THAT IN THREADS BEFORE, BUT WHILE WE WAIT TO SEE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS IM GONNA DO WHAT I CAN TO KEEP THA SITE RUNNING, IM NOT GONNA BE THREATENIN TO QUIT THEN DELETE MY ACCOUNT, AN MOAN AN MOAN........ WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THA SITUATION THATS ALL, THESE BACK AN FORTHS ARE USLESS, PM X AN EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY, AN IF YOU HAVE THEN ITS A WAITING GAME...... IM GONNA HELP THA SITE KEEP RUNNIN AN BE AS ACTIVE AS I CAN, YOUR GONNA POP UP EVERY FEW MONTHS WITH A ''WHERES THA CHANGES AT?'' THREAD....... ITS ALL GOOD.

I’ve did that. You think I’d be complaining had I got some sort of response?. How many years can you sit around and wait?

This is what I mean.. To you, the members just moan and moan so until you take the members complaints serious, I can’t fwu dude.

Originally Posted by HVK

@Punkish BELIEVE ME I WANT THA CHANGES ALSO, AND I HAVE VOICED THAT IN THREADS BEFORE, BUT WHILE WE WAIT TO SEE IF ANYTHING HAPPENS IM GONNA DO WHAT I CAN TO KEEP THA SITE RUNNING, IM NOT GONNA BE THREATENIN TO QUIT THEN DELETE MY ACCOUNT, AN MOAN AN MOAN........ WE JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON THA SITUATION THATS ALL, THESE BACK AN FORTHS ARE USLESS, PM X AN EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY, AN IF YOU HAVE THEN ITS A WAITING GAME...... IM GONNA HELP THA SITE KEEP RUNNIN AN BE AS ACTIVE AS I CAN, YOUR GONNA POP UP EVERY FEW MONTHS WITH A ''WHERES THA CHANGES AT?'' THREAD....... ITS ALL GOOD.

I’ve did that. You think I’d be complaining had I got some sort of response?. How many years can you sit around and wait?

This is what I mean.. To you, the members just moan and moan so until you take the members complaints serious, I can’t fwu dude.

[Student]

Originally Posted by Punkish

Bro my only thing is, if people truly did care about the site they would REALLY see that no one behind the scenes PUSHING for new updates. They have other ventures in their lives that definitely priority. Letsbeef is their side gig’s side gig. There’s 24 hours in a day and the guys promising a new site wouldn’t log in for weeks at a time. How aren’t you guys woke by now?

The public site can’t get the same screenshots that the staff got? I feel like that alone will keep members 1000x before leaving after reading a thread like this. That’s a defence but no. There’s only words being thrown at the basic members, not evidence. People will leave. People have left. While you’re working on the new site, give them a reason to stay, not “we’re working on updates, stay active” because we hear that every year.

Being "woke" is a great thing but are we lying?

You're suggesting we believe X is working on a new site right? (Which you've seen) and your response of not seeing him active these past couple weeks, is you think we should jump ship?

I don't know about you but I don't blindly believe people based on what they've said but rather their actions, such as taking back ownership, squashing bugs, seasonal tournaments, blind drops, fixing track section & old battles, etc. then on top of that, he drops a preview to the staff at the end of the October last year and we've gotten steady updates since then, last one was mid-March, so it's not like we're completely out of the loop.

Like I said in my previous post, I'm not saying there hasn't been problems and while I'll concede that in the past the Staff, including myself, have said such statements as "updates are coming, hold on" etc. in the past, they were mostly false promises and we didn't know the status of an update, we kept hoping like everyone else but like everyone else, we've now seen the changes that X as done and don't hold back any information that we get, I'm sure a lot of people can vouch for that.

As far as posting the screenshots or beta site link, X asked us not to post it outside the staff lounge so we haven't, it's not an issue of us wanting to withhold anything from the site members, I'd say we're a lot more transparent about site issues then ever before, because we're also members of this site and know it's become a real niche artform these days but we're still here, dropping bars and talking shit #ComebackSeasonLB2019

[Student]

Originally Posted by Punkish

Bro my only thing is, if people truly did care about the site they would REALLY see that no one behind the scenes PUSHING for new updates. They have other ventures in their lives that definitely priority. Letsbeef is their side gig’s side gig. There’s 24 hours in a day and the guys promising a new site wouldn’t log in for weeks at a time. How aren’t you guys woke by now?

The public site can’t get the same screenshots that the staff got? I feel like that alone will keep members 1000x before leaving after reading a thread like this. That’s a defence but no. There’s only words being thrown at the basic members, not evidence. People will leave. People have left. While you’re working on the new site, give them a reason to stay, not “we’re working on updates, stay active” because we hear that every year.

Being "woke" is a great thing but are we lying?

You're suggesting we believe X is working on a new site right? (Which you've seen) and your response of not seeing him active these past couple weeks, is you think we should jump ship?

I don't know about you but I don't blindly believe people based on what they've said but rather their actions, such as taking back ownership, squashing bugs, seasonal tournaments, blind drops, fixing track section & old battles, etc. then on top of that, he drops a preview to the staff at the end of the October last year and we've gotten steady updates since then, last one was mid-March, so it's not like we're completely out of the loop.

Like I said in my previous post, I'm not saying there hasn't been problems and while I'll concede that in the past the Staff, including myself, have said such statements as "updates are coming, hold on" etc. in the past, they were mostly false promises and we didn't know the status of an update, we kept hoping like everyone else but like everyone else, we've now seen the changes that X as done and don't hold back any information that we get, I'm sure a lot of people can vouch for that.

As far as posting the screenshots or beta site link, X asked us not to post it outside the staff lounge so we haven't, it's not an issue of us wanting to withhold anything from the site members, I'd say we're a lot more transparent about site issues then ever before, because we're also members of this site and know it's become a real niche artform these days but we're still here, dropping bars and talking shit #ComebackSeasonLB2019