Mayweather | McGregor fight thread

1st, yes Mayweather absolutely is a slow starter. Well not even specifically just that, but Mayweather is known to take rounds off in the hopes of preserving himself later in the fight. He doesn't want to lose the rounds, and maintains control of the fight, but commonly this narrows the gap for his opponents. McGregor wanted to take advantage of this, land a lot and try to work Mayweather down over this distance. It was his best hope of landing a big shot.

2nd, Mayweather doesn't fight offensive "anymore" is more what you meant to say. But when was the last time you saw someone land on Mayweather and get out? Because of the range McGregor fights at, he was able to sink in small shots on Mayweather and get out of there before the counter was landed. Mayweather was missing, Conor was landing. So Mayweather put all the pieces together as the master boxer he is, and decided that the best way to further take Conor's gas tank whilst also taking away every single solid asset Conor had was to walk through his shots and push him back. I did a big post before the fight somewhere about how Conor could ONLY beat Mayweather because Mayweather likely wouldn't utilize tonnes of aspects of the game someone like Canelo would because he's not fighting offensively at all. When he did, it took away the new angles and ranges that Conor was having success with. It was an adjustment. Mayweather wasn't in trouble because he made the adjustment correctly and at the perfect time, but it's not to say he wanted to lost 4 rounds.

3rd, Mayweather said this in every fight he's had. It sells tickets. I believe it was an in ring adjustment and he was going to do his tried and tested boring style had it been as easy.

He did better than those guys because stylistically he brought more aspects to the game. He would absolutely die against those guys, but when you're fighting a guy mostly focusing on defence, it gave Conor some opportunities to show what he can do as opposed to how he'd do absolutely nothing when a guy like Khan would be landing shots on his face way too frequently for him to get anything off. He's not a better fighter, but he had a better fight.

Mayweather smirked? A fighter, smiling, in a fight? Wow, that's new and never done before. Conor also put his hands behind his back. They both felt confident at specific moments.

Conor barely landed a glove past 2? Not true, but regardless, Canelo, Pacquiao, Maidana etc. barely landed a glove past seconds out round one.

GGG would have killed him sure.

The sad thing is, like with Jose Aldo, Nate Diaz etc. people like you who hold something random against McGregor decide that his opponents should be insulted. "brittle fisted, retired 40 year old". Or...you know...greatest of all time potentially.

And there's the noodle arm video. Oh Conor's so shit. You know, besides the fact that literally every single fighter in the entirity of boxing, including GGG and Canelo, wouldn't last one minute in an unrestricted fight with Conor. The saddest thing of all of this are boxing fans or boxers like Paulie saying shit about Conor being a bitch, when they'd never EVER enter the octagon. Hell the only guy who gave respect to Conor the whole way through, Berto, is the only one considering it.

1st, yes Mayweather absolutely is a slow starter. Well not even specifically just that, but Mayweather is known to take rounds off in the hopes of preserving himself later in the fight. He doesn't want to lose the rounds, and maintains control of the fight, but commonly this narrows the gap for his opponents. McGregor wanted to take advantage of this, land a lot and try to work Mayweather down over this distance. It was his best hope of landing a big shot.

2nd, Mayweather doesn't fight offensive "anymore" is more what you meant to say. But when was the last time you saw someone land on Mayweather and get out? Because of the range McGregor fights at, he was able to sink in small shots on Mayweather and get out of there before the counter was landed. Mayweather was missing, Conor was landing. So Mayweather put all the pieces together as the master boxer he is, and decided that the best way to further take Conor's gas tank whilst also taking away every single solid asset Conor had was to walk through his shots and push him back. I did a big post before the fight somewhere about how Conor could ONLY beat Mayweather because Mayweather likely wouldn't utilize tonnes of aspects of the game someone like Canelo would because he's not fighting offensively at all. When he did, it took away the new angles and ranges that Conor was having success with. It was an adjustment. Mayweather wasn't in trouble because he made the adjustment correctly and at the perfect time, but it's not to say he wanted to lost 4 rounds.

3rd, Mayweather said this in every fight he's had. It sells tickets. I believe it was an in ring adjustment and he was going to do his tried and tested boring style had it been as easy.

He did better than those guys because stylistically he brought more aspects to the game. He would absolutely die against those guys, but when you're fighting a guy mostly focusing on defence, it gave Conor some opportunities to show what he can do as opposed to how he'd do absolutely nothing when a guy like Khan would be landing shots on his face way too frequently for him to get anything off. He's not a better fighter, but he had a better fight.

Mayweather smirked? A fighter, smiling, in a fight? Wow, that's new and never done before. Conor also put his hands behind his back. They both felt confident at specific moments.

Conor barely landed a glove past 2? Not true, but regardless, Canelo, Pacquiao, Maidana etc. barely landed a glove past seconds out round one.

GGG would have killed him sure.

The sad thing is, like with Jose Aldo, Nate Diaz etc. people like you who hold something random against McGregor decide that his opponents should be insulted. "brittle fisted, retired 40 year old". Or...you know...greatest of all time potentially.

And there's the noodle arm video. Oh Conor's so shit. You know, besides the fact that literally every single fighter in the entirity of boxing, including GGG and Canelo, wouldn't last one minute in an unrestricted fight with Conor. The saddest thing of all of this are boxing fans or boxers like Paulie saying shit about Conor being a bitch, when they'd never EVER enter the octagon. Hell the only guy who gave respect to Conor the whole way through, Berto, is the only one considering it.

[J u s T C]

I didn't say he barely landed past 2 I said if May fought his usual way he'd barely land (Anything significant) past 2.

But yo.


I'd favour GGG or Canelo in the Octogon with 4oz far more than I'd favour Mcgregor in the ring with 8oz 4oz 2oz gloveless. You talk like Connor is this well rounded MMA fighter with a super ground game LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO. Connor is a striker with the weakest ground game imaginable for someone of his standing. They'd knock him spark out plus GGG actually has a wrestling/Judo background.


But yo.

Give it up and Let it lie man, it's dead lol


It's why I prefer boxing to MMA. A focused sweet science chess match vs a jack of all trades master of none game of checkers.

Why watch connor punch when you can watch Lomachenko.
Why watch Connor kick when you can watch Ong Bak
Why watch connor wrestle when you can watch WWE.

The sport is boring and sloppy as shit

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Oh 1 more thing. Just wanna throw this put there.

Remember in that thread when I said he'd never last twelve and how the focus on soley having to use his arms would drain him because he couldn't use his legs or take a breather on the ground to share/spread the workload/strain as per MMA allows. And you was having none of it.

Remember how I predicted EXACTLY how this fight would go carry and all. I'm pretty sure I even called round 10 TKO.

Yet here you are arguing with me when everything's pointing to a cold calculated carry that only salty MMA/Connor fans don't wanna acknowledge. lol

[J u s T C]

I didn't say he barely landed past 2 I said if May fought his usual way he'd barely land (Anything significant) past 2.

But yo.


I'd favour GGG or Canelo in the Octogon with 4oz far more than I'd favour Mcgregor in the ring with 8oz 4oz 2oz gloveless. You talk like Connor is this well rounded MMA fighter with a super ground game LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO. Connor is a striker with the weakest ground game imaginable for someone of his standing. They'd knock him spark out plus GGG actually has a wrestling/Judo background.


But yo.

Give it up and Let it lie man, it's dead lol


It's why I prefer boxing to MMA. A focused sweet science chess match vs a jack of all trades master of none game of checkers.

Why watch connor punch when you can watch Lomachenko.
Why watch Connor kick when you can watch Ong Bak
Why watch connor wrestle when you can watch WWE.

The sport is boring and sloppy as shit

---------- Post added at 01:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:26 PM ----------

Oh 1 more thing. Just wanna throw this put there.

Remember in that thread when I said he'd never last twelve and how the focus on soley having to use his arms would drain him because he couldn't use his legs or take a breather on the ground to share/spread the workload/strain as per MMA allows. And you was having none of it.

Remember how I predicted EXACTLY how this fight would go carry and all. I'm pretty sure I even called round 10 TKO.

Yet here you are arguing with me when everything's pointing to a cold calculated carry that only salty MMA/Connor fans don't wanna acknowledge. lol

[NOBLE]

I agree with Just C on this one. I thought the first few rounds were 80% acting on the part of Mayweather, and a shitty acting job at that. He barely threw any punches in the first two rounds and just held his hands up. Some of the hits that Conor landed looked like Mayweather let it happen on purpose. It looked like he was intentionally trying to stretch out the fight and not knock him out too quickly in order to give the fans a show. I felt like he could've done what he did in rounds 9 and 10 way earlier if he wanted to.

[NOBLE]

I agree with Just C on this one. I thought the first few rounds were 80% acting on the part of Mayweather, and a shitty acting job at that. He barely threw any punches in the first two rounds and just held his hands up. Some of the hits that Conor landed looked like Mayweather let it happen on purpose. It looked like he was intentionally trying to stretch out the fight and not knock him out too quickly in order to give the fans a show. I felt like he could've done what he did in rounds 9 and 10 way earlier if he wanted to.

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

I didn't say he barely landed past 2 I said if May fought his usual way he'd barely land (Anything significant) past 2.

But yo.


I'd favour GGG or Canelo in the Octogon with 4oz far more than I'd favour Mcgregor in the ring with 8oz 4oz 2oz gloveless. You talk like Connor is this well rounded MMA fighter with a super ground game LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO. Connor is a striker with the weakest ground game imaginable for someone of his standing. They'd knock him spark out plus GGG actually has a wrestling/Judo background.


But yo.

Give it up and Let it lie man, it's dead lol

New Footage PROVES That Floyd Mayweather GAVE UP The Early Rounds Vs McGregor. - YouTube

It's why I prefer boxing to MMA. A focused sweet science chess match vs a jack of all trades master of none game of checkers.

Why watch connor punch when you can watch Lomachenko.
Why watch Connor kick when you can watch Ong Bak
Why watch connor wrestle when you can watch WWE.

The sport is boring and sloppy as shit

---------- Post added at 01:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:26 PM ----------

Oh 1 more thing. Just wanna throw this put there.

Remember in that thread when I said he'd never last twelve and how the focus on soley having to use his arms would drain him because he couldn't use his legs or take a breather on the ground to share/spread the workload/strain as per MMA allows. And you was having none of it.

Remember how I predicted EXACTLY how this fight would go carry and all. I'm pretty sure I even called round 10 TKO.

Yet here you are arguing with me when everything's pointing to a cold calculated carry that only salty MMA/Connor fans don't wanna acknowledge. lol

To start, the frequent "laughs", condescending tone and overall attitude of your post, compared to the strictly martial arts conversation from me, should indicate that if either of us is "salty", it's not me.

Conor outwrestled Max Holloway (current UFC Featherweight Champion) with one leg, and was able to negate and nullify everything Chad Mendes had on top of him.

If you are actually an MMA fan, then you'd know Conor has far from the weakest ground game. There's almost no indication that he even has a "weak ground game". Sure, he gets absolutely destroyed if he gets put on his back with Khabib Nurmagomedov and Nate likely will always submit him when they roll, but Khabib just destroyed Michael Johnson, a wrestler, and Nate's got tonnes of submissions on his record. Saying Conor has the worst ground game you've seen is like me saying Prince Naseem has the weakest jaw I've ever seen.

GGG has a judo / wrestling background? Why didn't you say. Jeez, that changes everything. Between GGG's wrestling background and Amir Khan's hard kicks, MMA shouldn't even be a thing. Nah Conor first round submission over Canelo and GGG, one after the other, without getting caught with a punch. Training with Gunnar Nelson every day Vs never training grappling in your entire adult life? Not even a competition. Complete lack of combat understanding and reeks of bias.

"Jack of all trades". You know, don't point to the multiple time world jiu jitsu champions in MMA, multiple time Olympic medallists in MMA. Wrestling superstars, Judo superstars. They just signed one of the best kickboxers on the planet to the UFC. You call it a jack of all trades, I call it complete combat. Boxing is one aspect of combat. It also happens to be one of the weakest bases. Royce Gracie proved that a "style Vs style" format will ALWAYS favour the grapplers. People are convincing themselves that MMA is a "style". Like you are saying "MMA fighters" as though they are a specific breed. MMA is literally the development of techniques based on what is effective. If the hardest puncher in the world entered the UFC and got taken down and submitted, he'd work on his wrestling to avoid getting taken down. This eventually results in the evolution of their combat abilities. MMA is the combination of multiple sciences, not just one. If you're calling someone training their kickboxing with Ernesto Hoost, their jiu jitsu with Cesar Gracie, their wrestling under Daniel Cormier, a "jack of all trades", then I don't know what to tell you mate. You're going to soak yourself in your bias beyond getting through to you.

Why watch Lomachenko strike when you could watch Anderson Silva strike?
Why watch Lomachenko punch when you could watch Rocky?
Why make those stupid points as if they make sense in this argument at all?

"The sport is boring and sloppy as shit". Says it all. Some boxing fans have for some reason taken threat from MMA and are cluelessly spouting nonsense. Don't worry. You can find posts of me calling MMA gay and boring on LB too. I mean I was a stupid as fuck kid arguing with Mr Felon, but you know, you'll grow up some day.

Originally Posted by NOBLE

I agree with Just C on this one. I thought the first few rounds were 80% acting on the part of Mayweather, and a shitty acting job at that. He barely threw any punches in the first two rounds and just held his hands up. Some of the hits that Conor landed looked like Mayweather let it happen on purpose. It looked like he was intentionally trying to stretch out the fight and not knock him out too quickly in order to give the fans a show. I felt like he could've done what he did in rounds 9 and 10 way earlier if he wanted to.

Why would he act? The thing is, Mayweather's just not really fought an active guy with good range before. He's fought in fighters, or purely defensive guys who have nothing on him. He handpicked them (that being said those are absolute masters of their craft, he's just better). It was a new thing for him to face. That being said, he had absolutely no trouble using it tok his advantage quickly, then stomping it out the second he felt he wanted to. He'd have liked to have taken those rounds but Mayweather has no real fears of losing the rounds. If you think Mayweather, or any boxer, is okay with being landed on and missing their counter, may as well change your name to Just C haha.

If McGregor had any real footwork or ring generalship, his style might have been something of a challenge. But Mayweather quickly adjusted, never got touched again, and used Conor's over eager activity to his advantage.

But this impression that Mayweather was comfortable doing what he did in round 10 in round 1 but chose not to is just a misunderstanding of Mayweather. He wanted to wear Conor down, first absorbing until it started to get a little uncomfortable then switching it up and being on top of him. He didn't, or doesn't, have that approach in round 1 because it's a needless risk. So Floyd first absorbed, lost a bit of ground, started to take a shot or two, switched it up and pushed Conor all around the ring (although not swinging for the fences) and then when he saw Conor was tired (FUCKING tired) he decided to just go balls to the wall and swing for the fences knowing that Conor was throwing feathers.

It was all Mayweather. He was never in trouble. He was never properly losing. But to act like he didn't have to adjust a bit and wasn't more uncomfortable than he's been in a lot of his much bigger fights is just seeing what you want to see I guess.

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

I didn't say he barely landed past 2 I said if May fought his usual way he'd barely land (Anything significant) past 2.

But yo.


I'd favour GGG or Canelo in the Octogon with 4oz far more than I'd favour Mcgregor in the ring with 8oz 4oz 2oz gloveless. You talk like Connor is this well rounded MMA fighter with a super ground game LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO. Connor is a striker with the weakest ground game imaginable for someone of his standing. They'd knock him spark out plus GGG actually has a wrestling/Judo background.


But yo.

Give it up and Let it lie man, it's dead lol

New Footage PROVES That Floyd Mayweather GAVE UP The Early Rounds Vs McGregor. - YouTube

It's why I prefer boxing to MMA. A focused sweet science chess match vs a jack of all trades master of none game of checkers.

Why watch connor punch when you can watch Lomachenko.
Why watch Connor kick when you can watch Ong Bak
Why watch connor wrestle when you can watch WWE.

The sport is boring and sloppy as shit

---------- Post added at 01:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:26 PM ----------

Oh 1 more thing. Just wanna throw this put there.

Remember in that thread when I said he'd never last twelve and how the focus on soley having to use his arms would drain him because he couldn't use his legs or take a breather on the ground to share/spread the workload/strain as per MMA allows. And you was having none of it.

Remember how I predicted EXACTLY how this fight would go carry and all. I'm pretty sure I even called round 10 TKO.

Yet here you are arguing with me when everything's pointing to a cold calculated carry that only salty MMA/Connor fans don't wanna acknowledge. lol

To start, the frequent "laughs", condescending tone and overall attitude of your post, compared to the strictly martial arts conversation from me, should indicate that if either of us is "salty", it's not me.

Conor outwrestled Max Holloway (current UFC Featherweight Champion) with one leg, and was able to negate and nullify everything Chad Mendes had on top of him.

If you are actually an MMA fan, then you'd know Conor has far from the weakest ground game. There's almost no indication that he even has a "weak ground game". Sure, he gets absolutely destroyed if he gets put on his back with Khabib Nurmagomedov and Nate likely will always submit him when they roll, but Khabib just destroyed Michael Johnson, a wrestler, and Nate's got tonnes of submissions on his record. Saying Conor has the worst ground game you've seen is like me saying Prince Naseem has the weakest jaw I've ever seen.

GGG has a judo / wrestling background? Why didn't you say. Jeez, that changes everything. Between GGG's wrestling background and Amir Khan's hard kicks, MMA shouldn't even be a thing. Nah Conor first round submission over Canelo and GGG, one after the other, without getting caught with a punch. Training with Gunnar Nelson every day Vs never training grappling in your entire adult life? Not even a competition. Complete lack of combat understanding and reeks of bias.

"Jack of all trades". You know, don't point to the multiple time world jiu jitsu champions in MMA, multiple time Olympic medallists in MMA. Wrestling superstars, Judo superstars. They just signed one of the best kickboxers on the planet to the UFC. You call it a jack of all trades, I call it complete combat. Boxing is one aspect of combat. It also happens to be one of the weakest bases. Royce Gracie proved that a "style Vs style" format will ALWAYS favour the grapplers. People are convincing themselves that MMA is a "style". Like you are saying "MMA fighters" as though they are a specific breed. MMA is literally the development of techniques based on what is effective. If the hardest puncher in the world entered the UFC and got taken down and submitted, he'd work on his wrestling to avoid getting taken down. This eventually results in the evolution of their combat abilities. MMA is the combination of multiple sciences, not just one. If you're calling someone training their kickboxing with Ernesto Hoost, their jiu jitsu with Cesar Gracie, their wrestling under Daniel Cormier, a "jack of all trades", then I don't know what to tell you mate. You're going to soak yourself in your bias beyond getting through to you.

Why watch Lomachenko strike when you could watch Anderson Silva strike?
Why watch Lomachenko punch when you could watch Rocky?
Why make those stupid points as if they make sense in this argument at all?

"The sport is boring and sloppy as shit". Says it all. Some boxing fans have for some reason taken threat from MMA and are cluelessly spouting nonsense. Don't worry. You can find posts of me calling MMA gay and boring on LB too. I mean I was a stupid as fuck kid arguing with Mr Felon, but you know, you'll grow up some day.

Originally Posted by NOBLE

I agree with Just C on this one. I thought the first few rounds were 80% acting on the part of Mayweather, and a shitty acting job at that. He barely threw any punches in the first two rounds and just held his hands up. Some of the hits that Conor landed looked like Mayweather let it happen on purpose. It looked like he was intentionally trying to stretch out the fight and not knock him out too quickly in order to give the fans a show. I felt like he could've done what he did in rounds 9 and 10 way earlier if he wanted to.

Why would he act? The thing is, Mayweather's just not really fought an active guy with good range before. He's fought in fighters, or purely defensive guys who have nothing on him. He handpicked them (that being said those are absolute masters of their craft, he's just better). It was a new thing for him to face. That being said, he had absolutely no trouble using it tok his advantage quickly, then stomping it out the second he felt he wanted to. He'd have liked to have taken those rounds but Mayweather has no real fears of losing the rounds. If you think Mayweather, or any boxer, is okay with being landed on and missing their counter, may as well change your name to Just C haha.

If McGregor had any real footwork or ring generalship, his style might have been something of a challenge. But Mayweather quickly adjusted, never got touched again, and used Conor's over eager activity to his advantage.

But this impression that Mayweather was comfortable doing what he did in round 10 in round 1 but chose not to is just a misunderstanding of Mayweather. He wanted to wear Conor down, first absorbing until it started to get a little uncomfortable then switching it up and being on top of him. He didn't, or doesn't, have that approach in round 1 because it's a needless risk. So Floyd first absorbed, lost a bit of ground, started to take a shot or two, switched it up and pushed Conor all around the ring (although not swinging for the fences) and then when he saw Conor was tired (FUCKING tired) he decided to just go balls to the wall and swing for the fences knowing that Conor was throwing feathers.

It was all Mayweather. He was never in trouble. He was never properly losing. But to act like he didn't have to adjust a bit and wasn't more uncomfortable than he's been in a lot of his much bigger fights is just seeing what you want to see I guess.

[J u s T C]

Because Loma is better with his fists and the ring generalship which comes with that art than Anderson Silva
Because not only is Loma real while Rocky is fake. Loma is a much better boxer than Rocky.

[J u s T C]

Because Loma is better with his fists and the ring generalship which comes with that art than Anderson Silva
Because not only is Loma real while Rocky is fake. Loma is a much better boxer than Rocky.

[NOBLE]

He's fought a few who had the same reach as him (72 in).Two who had greater reach include Diego Corrales (73 in), and Oscar De La Hoya (73 in). Justin Juuko and Phillip Ndou didn't have greater total wingspan but they each had greater 1 arm lengths than Mayweather. So he has fought people with greater reach before.

[NOBLE]

He's fought a few who had the same reach as him (72 in).Two who had greater reach include Diego Corrales (73 in), and Oscar De La Hoya (73 in). Justin Juuko and Phillip Ndou didn't have greater total wingspan but they each had greater 1 arm lengths than Mayweather. So he has fought people with greater reach before.

[METH_BARZ]

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

I didn't say he barely landed past 2 I said if May fought his usual way he'd barely land (Anything significant) past 2.

But yo.


I'd favour GGG or Canelo in the Octogon with 4oz far more than I'd favour Mcgregor in the ring with 8oz 4oz 2oz gloveless. You talk like Connor is this well rounded MMA fighter with a super ground game LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO. Connor is a striker with the weakest ground game imaginable for someone of his standing. They'd knock him spark out plus GGG actually has a wrestling/Judo background.


But yo.

Give it up and Let it lie man, it's dead lol

New Footage PROVES That Floyd Mayweather GAVE UP The Early Rounds Vs McGregor. - YouTube

It's why I prefer boxing to MMA. A focused sweet science chess match vs a jack of all trades master of none game of checkers.

Why watch connor punch when you can watch Lomachenko.
Why watch Connor kick when you can watch Ong Bak
Why watch connor wrestle when you can watch WWE.

The sport is boring and sloppy as shit

---------- Post added at 01:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:26 PM ----------

Oh 1 more thing. Just wanna throw this put there.

Remember in that thread when I said he'd never last twelve and how the focus on soley having to use his arms would drain him because he couldn't use his legs or take a breather on the ground to share/spread the workload/strain as per MMA allows. And you was having none of it.

Remember how I predicted EXACTLY how this fight would go carry and all. I'm pretty sure I even called round 10 TKO.

Yet here you are arguing with me when everything's pointing to a cold calculated carry that only salty MMA/Connor fans don't wanna acknowledge. lol

This guy would fuck him up standing

[METH_BARZ]

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

I didn't say he barely landed past 2 I said if May fought his usual way he'd barely land (Anything significant) past 2.

But yo.


I'd favour GGG or Canelo in the Octogon with 4oz far more than I'd favour Mcgregor in the ring with 8oz 4oz 2oz gloveless. You talk like Connor is this well rounded MMA fighter with a super ground game LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO. Connor is a striker with the weakest ground game imaginable for someone of his standing. They'd knock him spark out plus GGG actually has a wrestling/Judo background.


But yo.

Give it up and Let it lie man, it's dead lol

New Footage PROVES That Floyd Mayweather GAVE UP The Early Rounds Vs McGregor. - YouTube

It's why I prefer boxing to MMA. A focused sweet science chess match vs a jack of all trades master of none game of checkers.

Why watch connor punch when you can watch Lomachenko.
Why watch Connor kick when you can watch Ong Bak
Why watch connor wrestle when you can watch WWE.

The sport is boring and sloppy as shit

---------- Post added at 01:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:26 PM ----------

Oh 1 more thing. Just wanna throw this put there.

Remember in that thread when I said he'd never last twelve and how the focus on soley having to use his arms would drain him because he couldn't use his legs or take a breather on the ground to share/spread the workload/strain as per MMA allows. And you was having none of it.

Remember how I predicted EXACTLY how this fight would go carry and all. I'm pretty sure I even called round 10 TKO.

Yet here you are arguing with me when everything's pointing to a cold calculated carry that only salty MMA/Connor fans don't wanna acknowledge. lol

This guy would fuck him up standing

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

Because Loma is better with his fists and the ring generalship which comes with that art than Anderson Silva
Because not only is Loma real while Rocky is fake. Loma is a much better boxer than Rocky.

Anderson Silva is an all round better strike and finisher.
See Ong Bak 2.
See WWE.

NOBLE and he was a more aggressive fighter against most. ODLH is essentially the only one hes faced in this defencive shell. ODLH also fights on the inside more than a McGregor would. McGregor didnt have the power or technique to complete it but if there was a top WW with similar frame and approach itd be an interesting one.

Ill Blaze, you think GGG with extremely little experience to blocking kicks can straight win a 4ounce glove kickboxing match? More chance than Conor Vs Floyd (cause MMAs the more exciting sport) but 9/10 he gets legkicked to submission.

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

Because Loma is better with his fists and the ring generalship which comes with that art than Anderson Silva
Because not only is Loma real while Rocky is fake. Loma is a much better boxer than Rocky.

Anderson Silva is an all round better strike and finisher.
See Ong Bak 2.
See WWE.

NOBLE and he was a more aggressive fighter against most. ODLH is essentially the only one hes faced in this defencive shell. ODLH also fights on the inside more than a McGregor would. McGregor didnt have the power or technique to complete it but if there was a top WW with similar frame and approach itd be an interesting one.

Ill Blaze, you think GGG with extremely little experience to blocking kicks can straight win a 4ounce glove kickboxing match? More chance than Conor Vs Floyd (cause MMAs the more exciting sport) but 9/10 he gets legkicked to submission.

[J u s T C]

I'm talking GGG vs Connor in the Octogon.

THOUGH. I would favour GGG's chances against the best UFC 160's than Mc against the top 160's from boxing. Shit I'd favour GGG against UFC 160'S OVER Mcgregor against 154's in boxing where you got the Charlos and Erisandy Lara or 147 with Thurman Porter and Spence.

Connor would be an average at best puncher with severe stamina issues

GGG would be the most elite puncher/striker (however you want to phrase it) in UFC Middleweight history with an Iron chin and atleast (if limited) judo/wrestling background.

I mean we can talk James Toneys enture into UFC but he was lazy cocky out of shape and never took it serious which is well documented. Then you have Ray Mercer at 40 who came in and sparked out Tim Sylvia in a round.

Holly Holme vs Rousy

What success has there been the other way around?

There is nothing to suggest someone like GGG would struggle in the Oc.

Would he lose fights? I'd be willing to bet on it. But every UFC fighter loses at some point given how many factors go into it and styles make fights. But I'd bet he'd have more successes than failiures and would walk away with a respectable record and possibly a title under his name. Connor would be completely in the negative unless they spoon fed him complete bums. Anyone Elite would clown him.

[J u s T C]

I'm talking GGG vs Connor in the Octogon.

THOUGH. I would favour GGG's chances against the best UFC 160's than Mc against the top 160's from boxing. Shit I'd favour GGG against UFC 160'S OVER Mcgregor against 154's in boxing where you got the Charlos and Erisandy Lara or 147 with Thurman Porter and Spence.

Connor would be an average at best puncher with severe stamina issues

GGG would be the most elite puncher/striker (however you want to phrase it) in UFC Middleweight history with an Iron chin and atleast (if limited) judo/wrestling background.

I mean we can talk James Toneys enture into UFC but he was lazy cocky out of shape and never took it serious which is well documented. Then you have Ray Mercer at 40 who came in and sparked out Tim Sylvia in a round.

Holly Holme vs Rousy

What success has there been the other way around?

There is nothing to suggest someone like GGG would struggle in the Oc.

Would he lose fights? I'd be willing to bet on it. But every UFC fighter loses at some point given how many factors go into it and styles make fights. But I'd bet he'd have more successes than failiures and would walk away with a respectable record and possibly a title under his name. Connor would be completely in the negative unless they spoon fed him complete bums. Anyone Elite would clown him.

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

I'm talking GGG vs Connor in the Octogon.

THOUGH. I would favour GGG's chances against the best UFC 160's than Mc against the top 160's from boxing. Shit I'd favour GGG against UFC 160'S OVER Mcgregor against 154's in boxing where you got the Charlos and Erisandy Lara or 147 with Thurman Porter and Spence.

Connor would be an average at best puncher with severe stamina issues

GGG would be the most elite puncher/striker (however you want to phrase it) in UFC Middleweight history with an Iron chin and atleast (if limited) judo/wrestling background.

I mean we can talk James Toneys enture into UFC but he was lazy cocky out of shape and never took it serious which is well documented. Then you have Ray Mercer at 40 who came in and sparked out Tim Sylvia in a round.

Holly Holme vs Rousy

What success has there been the other way around?

There is nothing to suggest someone like GGG would struggle in the Oc.

Would he lose fights? I'd be willing to bet on it. But every UFC fighter loses at some point given how many factors go into it and styles make fights. But I'd bet he'd have more successes than failiures and would walk away with a respectable record and possibly a title under his name. Connor would be completely in the negative unless they spoon fed him complete bums. Anyone Elite would clown him.

Well he'd obviously have a higher chance because of the gloves alone. To be fair, I give both very little chance. Mayweather was perfect for McGregor to look good against because stylistically he was able to throw some shots. Not many people take rounds off or stay behind a block like Mayweather. If Conor was fighting even a 50th ranked guy, he'd probably find it much more difficult to be as good because he'd have to deal with aggressive footwork which would engulf him in addition to just simply having a glove in his face way too often to work.

But really, GGG's got very little chance of keeping it standing. I do agree though that I favour him just because Lara, Charlos, Thurman, Porter, Spence etc. don't really have a single thing to worry about from McGregor where as while GGG would get taken down and submitted 99/100 by every top LW in UFC, he's also got a one shot chance. I heavily rooted for James Toney to land his one on Couture, I love a one shot chance.

I wouldn't call his stamina issues "severe". I think Mayweather did a great job of sensing Conor was slowing, then jumping on his toes to force him to throw. The thing is, you don't see people that tired because you don't see people just going for it. It's why I liked the fight. It's so often that you see someone 11 down and they don't swing for the fences in the 12th. Conor, not being a big time boxer or anything, went out and fought like every single round and every single second mattered. I enjoyed the fight. He does for sure have stamina issues, but I think Nate Diaz and the way Floyd fought him also shine credit on the aggressor in those situations.

In boxing Conor's likely an amateur power guy because he doesn't put his full power into his shots. Conor's a guy who hits the perfect place at the perfect time to hurt people, not someone who puts a lot of power behind each shot. Because of boxing gloves, that perfect spot is much lower and the need to create it becomes much higher. It's rare even top guys knock each other out. With the smaller gloves, COnor can find the sweet spot but in boxing, he doesn't know how to create it as much and he doesn't dig enough behind it to really be a big knockout artist (don't pay attention to internet McGregor fans).

James Toney was lazy and out of shape. Tim Sylvia on the other hand, stallion haha. The problem you're gonna have here Just if you're on day 1 of this conversation, I've been having it for years. For example, you didn't address that Tim Sylvia and Ray Mercer agreed to only fight stand up beforehand, or that Ray Mercer got submitted by Kimbo Slice in his fight before it (or that he tapped out due to leg kicks in a kickboxing fight).

Holm Vs Rousey amuses the fuck out of me. Yeah, Holly Holm, training in that popular boxing gym "Jackson & Winklejohn MMA" for her entire career, knocked out Ronda Rousey with that killer boxing technique known as the head kick.

There's nothing to suggest GGG would struggle? Well the basic lack of any knowledge in any of the disciplines is a pretty decent give away. Seriously you're having the discussion like this shit wasn't very clearly displayed 15 years ago at UFC 1. If you have absolutely no skill in one aspect of MMA, you're going to get exposed. Let alone absolutely no skill in all but one aspect which would be GGG's case. If he went away and trained his wrestling for 5 years with a top level guy....he could probably be a top 30ish MMA fighter with an alright 15-6 record or something, because he'd still never have a day of jiu jitsu in his life. It's a complete game.

"Spoon fed him complete bums", well, it's boxing isn't it? Not uncommon to see someone go 20-0 without even fighting someone with a winning record. But your knowledge of what it takes to defend a double leg takedown from an NCAA wrestler is severely lacking. Saying GGG could stuff a takedown attempt from Tyron Woodley is literally as ridiculous as me saying I could take a punch from GGG to the face. GGG has as much wrestling background as McGregor had boxing background. GGG has as much jiu jitsu experience as I do. Hell there's a chance I'd catch him off of my back just by knowing the difference between a triangle and a rear naked.

This whole discussion IS MMA. "Can a boxer defend against a wrestler?". This was the question in 1993, and they put it to the test. No one could handle the grapplers, so the strikers began to train their wrestling and more importantly wrestlers began to train their striking. Guys began being able to keep the fight standing against jiu jitsu guys simply by being better wrestlers, and as the wrestler had trained his striking, he was able to do the more damage on the feet. This is the entire discussion. "MMA fighter Vs boxer" isn't a thing. If the boxer misses literally that first punch, the fights over. Randy Couture didn't take Toney down because Toney was fat and out of shape. Couture used an ankle pick from a shoot, a ridiculously uncommon move that no one even uses because they'd laugh and walk away. But when you're facing someone with ZERO grappling experience, they have no idea what you are doing and/or how to defend it.

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

I'm talking GGG vs Connor in the Octogon.

THOUGH. I would favour GGG's chances against the best UFC 160's than Mc against the top 160's from boxing. Shit I'd favour GGG against UFC 160'S OVER Mcgregor against 154's in boxing where you got the Charlos and Erisandy Lara or 147 with Thurman Porter and Spence.

Connor would be an average at best puncher with severe stamina issues

GGG would be the most elite puncher/striker (however you want to phrase it) in UFC Middleweight history with an Iron chin and atleast (if limited) judo/wrestling background.

I mean we can talk James Toneys enture into UFC but he was lazy cocky out of shape and never took it serious which is well documented. Then you have Ray Mercer at 40 who came in and sparked out Tim Sylvia in a round.

Holly Holme vs Rousy

What success has there been the other way around?

There is nothing to suggest someone like GGG would struggle in the Oc.

Would he lose fights? I'd be willing to bet on it. But every UFC fighter loses at some point given how many factors go into it and styles make fights. But I'd bet he'd have more successes than failiures and would walk away with a respectable record and possibly a title under his name. Connor would be completely in the negative unless they spoon fed him complete bums. Anyone Elite would clown him.

Well he'd obviously have a higher chance because of the gloves alone. To be fair, I give both very little chance. Mayweather was perfect for McGregor to look good against because stylistically he was able to throw some shots. Not many people take rounds off or stay behind a block like Mayweather. If Conor was fighting even a 50th ranked guy, he'd probably find it much more difficult to be as good because he'd have to deal with aggressive footwork which would engulf him in addition to just simply having a glove in his face way too often to work.

But really, GGG's got very little chance of keeping it standing. I do agree though that I favour him just because Lara, Charlos, Thurman, Porter, Spence etc. don't really have a single thing to worry about from McGregor where as while GGG would get taken down and submitted 99/100 by every top LW in UFC, he's also got a one shot chance. I heavily rooted for James Toney to land his one on Couture, I love a one shot chance.

I wouldn't call his stamina issues "severe". I think Mayweather did a great job of sensing Conor was slowing, then jumping on his toes to force him to throw. The thing is, you don't see people that tired because you don't see people just going for it. It's why I liked the fight. It's so often that you see someone 11 down and they don't swing for the fences in the 12th. Conor, not being a big time boxer or anything, went out and fought like every single round and every single second mattered. I enjoyed the fight. He does for sure have stamina issues, but I think Nate Diaz and the way Floyd fought him also shine credit on the aggressor in those situations.

In boxing Conor's likely an amateur power guy because he doesn't put his full power into his shots. Conor's a guy who hits the perfect place at the perfect time to hurt people, not someone who puts a lot of power behind each shot. Because of boxing gloves, that perfect spot is much lower and the need to create it becomes much higher. It's rare even top guys knock each other out. With the smaller gloves, COnor can find the sweet spot but in boxing, he doesn't know how to create it as much and he doesn't dig enough behind it to really be a big knockout artist (don't pay attention to internet McGregor fans).

James Toney was lazy and out of shape. Tim Sylvia on the other hand, stallion haha. The problem you're gonna have here Just if you're on day 1 of this conversation, I've been having it for years. For example, you didn't address that Tim Sylvia and Ray Mercer agreed to only fight stand up beforehand, or that Ray Mercer got submitted by Kimbo Slice in his fight before it (or that he tapped out due to leg kicks in a kickboxing fight).

Holm Vs Rousey amuses the fuck out of me. Yeah, Holly Holm, training in that popular boxing gym "Jackson & Winklejohn MMA" for her entire career, knocked out Ronda Rousey with that killer boxing technique known as the head kick.

There's nothing to suggest GGG would struggle? Well the basic lack of any knowledge in any of the disciplines is a pretty decent give away. Seriously you're having the discussion like this shit wasn't very clearly displayed 15 years ago at UFC 1. If you have absolutely no skill in one aspect of MMA, you're going to get exposed. Let alone absolutely no skill in all but one aspect which would be GGG's case. If he went away and trained his wrestling for 5 years with a top level guy....he could probably be a top 30ish MMA fighter with an alright 15-6 record or something, because he'd still never have a day of jiu jitsu in his life. It's a complete game.

"Spoon fed him complete bums", well, it's boxing isn't it? Not uncommon to see someone go 20-0 without even fighting someone with a winning record. But your knowledge of what it takes to defend a double leg takedown from an NCAA wrestler is severely lacking. Saying GGG could stuff a takedown attempt from Tyron Woodley is literally as ridiculous as me saying I could take a punch from GGG to the face. GGG has as much wrestling background as McGregor had boxing background. GGG has as much jiu jitsu experience as I do. Hell there's a chance I'd catch him off of my back just by knowing the difference between a triangle and a rear naked.

This whole discussion IS MMA. "Can a boxer defend against a wrestler?". This was the question in 1993, and they put it to the test. No one could handle the grapplers, so the strikers began to train their wrestling and more importantly wrestlers began to train their striking. Guys began being able to keep the fight standing against jiu jitsu guys simply by being better wrestlers, and as the wrestler had trained his striking, he was able to do the more damage on the feet. This is the entire discussion. "MMA fighter Vs boxer" isn't a thing. If the boxer misses literally that first punch, the fights over. Randy Couture didn't take Toney down because Toney was fat and out of shape. Couture used an ankle pick from a shoot, a ridiculously uncommon move that no one even uses because they'd laugh and walk away. But when you're facing someone with ZERO grappling experience, they have no idea what you are doing and/or how to defend it.