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So you're saying everything is subjective and based on the individual experience of said information? Then I guess nobody knows anything. Because everyone who studies anything in school and college is merely told information.

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If the scientific method is used and proven time and time again is that knowledge?
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So you're saying everything is subjective and based on the individual experience of said information? Then I guess nobody knows anything. Because everyone who studies anything in school and college is merely told information.

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I honestly was like you guys once upon a time. I thought I "knew" a bunch of shit because I had read a bunch of books. I used to spend at least $200 every weekend on books, reading about everything from Madame Blavatski to Rosicrucianism to conspiracy theories. I've probably forgotten more about this shit than both you and Pulse "know" combined. I used to actually teach lectures on "sovereign citizenship" UCC filings and the whole "strawman" stuff you were talking about earlier. Then I had to take a step back and realize...most of the things I thought I "knew"...I really didn't. It was just information derived from other people who for one reason or another I attached authority to. I realized I really didn't know shit and I've learned to be a lot more careful with claims of "knowledge."
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I honestly was like you guys once upon a time. I thought I "knew" a bunch of shit because I had read a bunch of books. I used to spend at least $200 every weekend on books, reading about everything from Madame Blavatski to Rosicrucianism to conspiracy theories. I've probably forgotten more about this shit than both you and Pulse "know" combined. I used to actually teach lectures on "sovereign citizenship" UCC filings and the whole "strawman" stuff you were talking about earlier. Then I had to take a step back and realize...most of the things I thought I "knew"...I really didn't. It was just information derived from other people who for one reason or another I attached authority to. I realized I really didn't know shit and I've learned to be a lot more careful with claims of "knowledge."
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If someone touches fire and doesn't feel pain does that mean they know fire doesn't hurt?
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Madame Blavatsky is just 1 name. I doubt you've read 1/3rd of what I forgot. Doubt you know much about O.T.O. or freemasonry. I have books on this shit including books from the highest authorities. I have fucking grimoires (spellbooks),books on numerology, alchemy, astrology, the best texts the public can get their hands on about freemasonry..Doesn't that constitute knowledge? An Albert Pike book about freemasonry, when it's well documented that Albert Pike was one of the highest authorities on freeemasonry during his time?

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Madame Blavatsky is just 1 name. I doubt you've read 1/3rd of what I forgot. Doubt you know much about O.T.O. or freemasonry. I have books on this shit including books from the highest authorities. I have fucking grimoires (spellbooks),books on numerology, alchemy, astrology, the best texts the public can get their hands on about freemasonry..Doesn't that constitute knowledge? An Albert Pike book about freemasonry, when it's well documented that Albert Pike was one of the highest authorities on freeemasonry during his time?

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So you're saying everything is subjective and based on the individual experience of said information? Then I guess nobody knows anything. Because everyone who studies anything in school and college is merely told information.

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If the scientific method is used and proven time and time again is that knowledge?
No, I'm not saying everything is subjective. I'm saying "knowledge" is arrived at primarily through experience, evidence and reasoning...not what someone tells you. You said we only know about colors because someone told us one is called "red" and another is called "blue" and so forth. I'm saying we KNOW about colors because we've actually seen them (experienced them). What we call "red" would exist even if we didn't have a word for describing it. So our knowledge of it doesn't just come from what it's called which other people told us.

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Madame Blavatsky is just 1 name. I doubt you've read 1/3rd of what I forgot. Doubt you know much about O.T.O. or freemasonry. I have books on this shit including books from the highest authorities. I have fucking grimoires (spellbooks),books on numerology, alchemy, astrology, the best texts the public can get their hands on about freemasonry..Doesn't that constitute knowledge? An Albert Pike book about freemasonry, when it's well documented that Albert Pike was one of the highest authorities on freeemasonry during his time?
You're right, I don't "know" about those things, but I am aware. I honestly don't recall anything you've ever mentioned on this site that I wasn't aware of fam...except maybe Lil B.
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If the scientific method is used and proven time and time again is that knowledge?
No, I'm not saying everything is subjective. I'm saying "knowledge" is arrived at primarily through experience, evidence and reasoning...not what someone tells you. You said we only know about colors because someone told us one is called "red" and another is called "blue" and so forth. I'm saying we KNOW about colors because we've actually seen them (experienced them). What we call "red" would exist even if we didn't have a word for describing it. So our knowledge of it doesn't just come from what it's called which other people told us.

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Madame Blavatsky is just 1 name. I doubt you've read 1/3rd of what I forgot. Doubt you know much about O.T.O. or freemasonry. I have books on this shit including books from the highest authorities. I have fucking grimoires (spellbooks),books on numerology, alchemy, astrology, the best texts the public can get their hands on about freemasonry..Doesn't that constitute knowledge? An Albert Pike book about freemasonry, when it's well documented that Albert Pike was one of the highest authorities on freeemasonry during his time?
You're right, I don't "know" about those things, but I am aware. I honestly don't recall anything you've ever mentioned on this site that I wasn't aware of fam...except maybe Lil B.
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But if nobody told you what the colors were, you wouldn't know how to define them. Third party perspective also plays a factor. You may have never put an engine together but you know you need oil gas fire and air to make an engine move a car.
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But if nobody told you what the colors were, you wouldn't know how to define them. Third party perspective also plays a factor. You may have never put an engine together but you know you need oil gas fire and air to make an engine move a car.
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To be honest, my name NOBLE actually came from me being part of a group called the Moorish Science Temple. The founder, Noble Drew Ali, based it off the shriners. After the 33'rd degree, Masons who go into the shrine are known as "Nobles." They wear the fez with an 18" tassle. Both the NOI and the nation of Gods and Earths got their teachings from Moorish Science @Godbody. I was in their "Adept Chamber" so I "know" more about this shit than you might think.
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If someone can supply enough facts and enough logic and they spent years studying about a particular subject, I'm going to go ahead and say they "know" about that subject. In addition, you dont have to "know" everything about a subject to "know" something.
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The scientific method is not knowledge. It is a method for arriving at knowledge. A proposition such as "the scientific method works" cannot constitute knowledge unto YOU until it is proven by YOU. If you make such a proposition based on having read about other people who have used the scientific method successfully, its still information to you rather than knowledge. Go do some actual experiment using the scientific method. Then you can claim to "know."

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I have books on this shit including books from the highest authorities. I have fucking grimoires (spellbooks),books on numerology, alchemy, astrology, the best texts the public can get their hands on about freemasonry..Doesn't that constitute knowledge?
No, it doesn't, unfortunately. If you have spell books, that doesn't constitute knowledge until you're actually performing the spells and find that they work. If you're doing that and claim to know spells, then more power to you. But just having read some books, whether from the "highest authorities" or not, simply means you have some information written on a page. It doesn't mean you have knowledge.
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If the scientific method is used and proven time and time again is that knowledge?
The scientific method is not knowledge. It is a method for arriving at knowledge. A proposition such as "the scientific method works" cannot constitute knowledge unto YOU until it is proven by YOU. If you make such a proposition based on having read about other people who have used the scientific method successfully, its still information to you rather than knowledge. Go do some actual experiment using the scientific method. Then you can claim to "know."

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I have books on this shit including books from the highest authorities. I have fucking grimoires (spellbooks),books on numerology, alchemy, astrology, the best texts the public can get their hands on about freemasonry..Doesn't that constitute knowledge?
No, it doesn't, unfortunately. If you have spell books, that doesn't constitute knowledge until you're actually performing the spells and find that they work. If you're doing that and claim to know spells, then more power to you. But just having read some books, whether from the "highest authorities" or not, simply means you have some information written on a page. It doesn't mean you have knowledge.
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