Theseus' Paradox

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by exZACHly

Take any specific make and model of car for example obv all built the same, but more than one exist.

That will be making "Theseus' ship"a kind of a thing rather than a particular thing. The make and model of a car is a kind of a thing of which there can be more than one of, just like a "rapper on LetsBeef" is a kind of a thing. There are many rappers on LetsBeef. However, there is only one exZACHly; that is a lot more specific. "Theseus' ship" is a specific thing of which there can only be one of.

Originally Posted by Rant

They are both correct.

While Theseus is in possession of the aluminum ship, the materials from which the ship in the museum was made, were at a previous time the ship on which Theseus sailed.

Originally Posted by ILLoKWENT

Both are correct.. with the exception that the museum has the 'original' theseus. And the commissioned theseus is nothing more than a remodeled version.. and as long as the museum has 'all' the original pieces put together perfectly .its the same ship.. older version..

Saying they are both "Theseus' ship" violates the Law of Identity, a rule of logic which states that “each thing is the same with itself and different from another.” That "Theseus' ship" as a specific thing would be in two places at the same time is extremely counterintuitive. It isn't a subatomic particle undergoing quantum entanglement, for example, and one ship obviously does not equal the other; they are made of two entirely different materials and are in two different places.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by exZACHly

Take any specific make and model of car for example obv all built the same, but more than one exist.

That will be making "Theseus' ship"a kind of a thing rather than a particular thing. The make and model of a car is a kind of a thing of which there can be more than one of, just like a "rapper on LetsBeef" is a kind of a thing. There are many rappers on LetsBeef. However, there is only one exZACHly; that is a lot more specific. "Theseus' ship" is a specific thing of which there can only be one of.

Originally Posted by Rant

They are both correct.

While Theseus is in possession of the aluminum ship, the materials from which the ship in the museum was made, were at a previous time the ship on which Theseus sailed.

Originally Posted by ILLoKWENT

Both are correct.. with the exception that the museum has the 'original' theseus. And the commissioned theseus is nothing more than a remodeled version.. and as long as the museum has 'all' the original pieces put together perfectly .its the same ship.. older version..

Saying they are both "Theseus' ship" violates the Law of Identity, a rule of logic which states that “each thing is the same with itself and different from another.” That "Theseus' ship" as a specific thing would be in two places at the same time is extremely counterintuitive. It isn't a subatomic particle undergoing quantum entanglement, for example, and one ship obviously does not equal the other; they are made of two entirely different materials and are in two different places.

[ILLoKWENT]

Originally Posted by NOBLE

That will be making "Theseus' ship"a kind of a thing rather than a particular thing. The make and model of a car is a kind of a thing of which there can be more than one of, just like a "rapper on LetsBeef" is a kind of a thing. There are many rappers on LetsBeef. However, there is only one exZACHly; that is a lot more specific. "Theseus' ship" is a specific thing of which there can only be one of.



Saying they are both "Theseus' ship" violates the Law of Identity, a rule of logic which states that “each thing is the same with itself and different from another.” That "Theseus' ship" as a specific thing would be in two places at the same time is extremely counterintuitive. It isn't a subatomic particle undergoing quantum entanglement, for example, and one ship obviously does not equal the other; they are made of two entirely different materials and are in two different places.

Th8nking about the question more. I realized that the aluminum ship is theseus' ship... the museum took discarded pieces of theseus original ship and put it together.. but since they were discarded remains and if you go by 'finders keepers/another mans trash is another mans treasure' rule... then the ship in the museum is no longer theseus' ship . Its now the ' museum's' ship built to perfectly replicate the original.. so the solution:theseus true ship is the aluminum.. museums ship is the rebuilt one.

[ILLoKWENT]

Originally Posted by NOBLE

That will be making "Theseus' ship"a kind of a thing rather than a particular thing. The make and model of a car is a kind of a thing of which there can be more than one of, just like a "rapper on LetsBeef" is a kind of a thing. There are many rappers on LetsBeef. However, there is only one exZACHly; that is a lot more specific. "Theseus' ship" is a specific thing of which there can only be one of.



Saying they are both "Theseus' ship" violates the Law of Identity, a rule of logic which states that “each thing is the same with itself and different from another.” That "Theseus' ship" as a specific thing would be in two places at the same time is extremely counterintuitive. It isn't a subatomic particle undergoing quantum entanglement, for example, and one ship obviously does not equal the other; they are made of two entirely different materials and are in two different places.

Th8nking about the question more. I realized that the aluminum ship is theseus' ship... the museum took discarded pieces of theseus original ship and put it together.. but since they were discarded remains and if you go by 'finders keepers/another mans trash is another mans treasure' rule... then the ship in the museum is no longer theseus' ship . Its now the ' museum's' ship built to perfectly replicate the original.. so the solution:theseus true ship is the aluminum.. museums ship is the rebuilt one.