FUCK THE POLICE

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Originally Posted by Diego Jumanji

EVERY problem in these situations comes down to one thing; America being fucking stupid. You guys believe that some million year old law about having the right to have devices created ONLY for the purpose of murder is the way to live by. I love the stupidity of it too. "We need guns to protect ourselves". Let's start with the normal way, against home invaders and shit right? Well if everyone is allowed guns....the chances that your invader also having a gun is MUCH higher. I'd much prefer to get into a fist or knife fight with a potential attacker than a gun fight. I think that's obvious. The other way; against the government. Stupid Americans ACTUALLY believe that they need guns to fight off the Government, lmfao. What the fuck do you think you're gonna do? Take out a SWAT team with your handgun? Fuck off.

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Originally Posted by Diego Jumanji

EVERY problem in these situations comes down to one thing; America being fucking stupid. You guys believe that some million year old law about having the right to have devices created ONLY for the purpose of murder is the way to live by. I love the stupidity of it too. "We need guns to protect ourselves". Let's start with the normal way, against home invaders and shit right? Well if everyone is allowed guns....the chances that your invader also having a gun is MUCH higher. I'd much prefer to get into a fist or knife fight with a potential attacker than a gun fight. I think that's obvious. The other way; against the government. Stupid Americans ACTUALLY believe that they need guns to fight off the Government, lmfao. What the fuck do you think you're gonna do? Take out a SWAT team with your handgun? Fuck off.

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Originally Posted by Jason

"It was his defiance over being accused of illegally vending and the argument that ensued that lead to the chokehold." no it was not. it was him putting up his arms and refusing to peacefully surrender that led to the chokehold. if he was not fighting back there would have been no need to apply the choke. if he put his hands behind his back and complied, why would they have needed to apply force?? they wouldnt have.
it was very clear that the officer was going to arrest him and he did not comply, he retaliated.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/v...ld-death-video

at 1:36 he says he cant breathe for the first time
at 1:38 the chokehold is no longer being applied

This was the two minute version and if you notice, there were multiple clips as opposed to one continuous clip which made the time seem shorter. If I were you, I wouldn't base my sense of how long things lasted until I have seen the full 8 minute video because this is just the abbreviated version for news broadcast on this link.
Second, he DID NOT fight back. He was verbally defiant, not physically. He said "I wasn't doing anything," "this stops today," and when they started trying to take him down, he said "don't touch me." However, at no point did he throw his hands toward any of the officers as if to strike or punch them, which is what I would consider "fighting back." If he did, please reference the exact time on the clip. He put his hands up once they started choking him. That looks more like a surrender or distress signal than "fighting back." Like I mentioned before, they did not utter "you're under arrest" before they proceeded to take him down, so I don't know how tenable is the arguement that he did not comply. It's possible that he didn't know he was going to be arrested and thought they were just arguing, especially since he wasn't told. Does a police officer have a right to put their hands on you against your will without letting you know you are under arrest? Why would he had put his hands behind his back when they hadn't asked him to? Prior to the chokehold, it wasn't made clear he was being arrested. They seem to choke him out of anger at his verbal defiance over the argument they were having.


there is literally a two second period where he claims he cannot breathe to the time the chokehold is released.
Im not disputing that the chokehold was a breach of policy. im disputing people calling this man a murderer over an unfortunate accident. regardless, it would be foolish for a police officer to loosen his grip on such a physically superior suspect without having him properly restrained, there would be no way to verify if he actually couldnt breathe or not.
Like I said, watch the full video. The choke lasted longer than two seconds. There was no need to restrain him. He hadn't been told he was under arrest and he did not fight back once they ganged up on him. Perhaps it was his size and the thought that he might resist since had said "don't touch me" which made them take such a violent approach, but he was only verbally defiant. Putting him in a chokehold was so unnecessary.
and how could he possibly have died as a result of compression to the neck when he was not in a chokehold when he died? when the officer releases the choke he is obviously still alive .. he is in distress but he is alive. maybe the choke provoked some other biological response.. but he couldnt have died from compression to the neck unless someone choked him to death in the ambulance or the choke was so forceful that he destroyed his airway which does not seem like the case at all.
Arguing that he couldn't have died from the choke because he was not in a choke when he died makes very little sense tbh. If I shot someone and they died an hour later in the hospital, would you argue that they couldn't have died as a result of my shooting because by the time they died, I had stopped shooting and an hour had passed? From seeing the full 8 minute video, I would speculate that he died on the scene because before they even put him on the stretcher to take him to the ambulance, he appeared totally lifeless and unresponsive. However, neither one of us are professionally equipped to say exactly when he died and from what, so I'd just go with what the medical examiners say since that's their forté.
i still have yet to see a credible source report the actual cause of death
You would be arguing with the medical examiners because they're the ones who stated cause of death was due to neck compression, not me. As far as credible source, this article about the medical examiner's official cause of death is from the Associated Press website: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/medic...ruled-homicide


"when an officer acts outside of police policy and code of conduct, as Eric Garner's choker has done, they are not acting in the capacity of an officer, therefore, there should be no leverage to them being a cop in considering whether and how they should be prosecuted." yes this is fair enough, but why would an ordinary citizen be charged for murder?? The only reason this is getting so much attention is simply BECAUSE he is a cop. it works against him much more than it works for him. i dont think a regular joe would have the world erupting in protest over this. people just hate the cops .. meh

I agree that a regular Joe wouldn't have had the world erupting over a similar case, however, regular Joe's aren't sworn to "serve and protect." The fact that he's a cop IS working against him as it is giving him leverage as you've stated, and probably more so the fact that he's a White cop, since that happens to be a recurring theme in the Black community, even when it doesn't make national news. People aren't reacting to these headline cases alone. Police abuse happens A LOT in minority neigborhoods and you might have to live in one for some time to truly understand. I've had a White cop put a gun to my head before over me simply asking why him and his partner had stopped me, my brother and my friend Mike. Some of these dudes are so big and bad when they have a gun and a badge. You'd be surprised what people go through at the hands of cops. But what I think everyone should realize is that the people reacting to and protesting over Mike Brown, Travon Martin, Eric Garner, aren't responding to these cases alone.

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Originally Posted by Jason

"It was his defiance over being accused of illegally vending and the argument that ensued that lead to the chokehold." no it was not. it was him putting up his arms and refusing to peacefully surrender that led to the chokehold. if he was not fighting back there would have been no need to apply the choke. if he put his hands behind his back and complied, why would they have needed to apply force?? they wouldnt have.
it was very clear that the officer was going to arrest him and he did not comply, he retaliated.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/v...ld-death-video

at 1:36 he says he cant breathe for the first time
at 1:38 the chokehold is no longer being applied

This was the two minute version and if you notice, there were multiple clips as opposed to one continuous clip which made the time seem shorter. If I were you, I wouldn't base my sense of how long things lasted until I have seen the full 8 minute video because this is just the abbreviated version for news broadcast on this link.
Second, he DID NOT fight back. He was verbally defiant, not physically. He said "I wasn't doing anything," "this stops today," and when they started trying to take him down, he said "don't touch me." However, at no point did he throw his hands toward any of the officers as if to strike or punch them, which is what I would consider "fighting back." If he did, please reference the exact time on the clip. He put his hands up once they started choking him. That looks more like a surrender or distress signal than "fighting back." Like I mentioned before, they did not utter "you're under arrest" before they proceeded to take him down, so I don't know how tenable is the arguement that he did not comply. It's possible that he didn't know he was going to be arrested and thought they were just arguing, especially since he wasn't told. Does a police officer have a right to put their hands on you against your will without letting you know you are under arrest? Why would he had put his hands behind his back when they hadn't asked him to? Prior to the chokehold, it wasn't made clear he was being arrested. They seem to choke him out of anger at his verbal defiance over the argument they were having.


there is literally a two second period where he claims he cannot breathe to the time the chokehold is released.
Im not disputing that the chokehold was a breach of policy. im disputing people calling this man a murderer over an unfortunate accident. regardless, it would be foolish for a police officer to loosen his grip on such a physically superior suspect without having him properly restrained, there would be no way to verify if he actually couldnt breathe or not.
Like I said, watch the full video. The choke lasted longer than two seconds. There was no need to restrain him. He hadn't been told he was under arrest and he did not fight back once they ganged up on him. Perhaps it was his size and the thought that he might resist since had said "don't touch me" which made them take such a violent approach, but he was only verbally defiant. Putting him in a chokehold was so unnecessary.
and how could he possibly have died as a result of compression to the neck when he was not in a chokehold when he died? when the officer releases the choke he is obviously still alive .. he is in distress but he is alive. maybe the choke provoked some other biological response.. but he couldnt have died from compression to the neck unless someone choked him to death in the ambulance or the choke was so forceful that he destroyed his airway which does not seem like the case at all.
Arguing that he couldn't have died from the choke because he was not in a choke when he died makes very little sense tbh. If I shot someone and they died an hour later in the hospital, would you argue that they couldn't have died as a result of my shooting because by the time they died, I had stopped shooting and an hour had passed? From seeing the full 8 minute video, I would speculate that he died on the scene because before they even put him on the stretcher to take him to the ambulance, he appeared totally lifeless and unresponsive. However, neither one of us are professionally equipped to say exactly when he died and from what, so I'd just go with what the medical examiners say since that's their forté.
i still have yet to see a credible source report the actual cause of death
You would be arguing with the medical examiners because they're the ones who stated cause of death was due to neck compression, not me. As far as credible source, this article about the medical examiner's official cause of death is from the Associated Press website: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/medic...ruled-homicide


"when an officer acts outside of police policy and code of conduct, as Eric Garner's choker has done, they are not acting in the capacity of an officer, therefore, there should be no leverage to them being a cop in considering whether and how they should be prosecuted." yes this is fair enough, but why would an ordinary citizen be charged for murder?? The only reason this is getting so much attention is simply BECAUSE he is a cop. it works against him much more than it works for him. i dont think a regular joe would have the world erupting in protest over this. people just hate the cops .. meh

I agree that a regular Joe wouldn't have had the world erupting over a similar case, however, regular Joe's aren't sworn to "serve and protect." The fact that he's a cop IS working against him as it is giving him leverage as you've stated, and probably more so the fact that he's a White cop, since that happens to be a recurring theme in the Black community, even when it doesn't make national news. People aren't reacting to these headline cases alone. Police abuse happens A LOT in minority neigborhoods and you might have to live in one for some time to truly understand. I've had a White cop put a gun to my head before over me simply asking why him and his partner had stopped me, my brother and my friend Mike. Some of these dudes are so big and bad when they have a gun and a badge. You'd be surprised what people go through at the hands of cops. But what I think everyone should realize is that the people reacting to and protesting over Mike Brown, Travon Martin, Eric Garner, aren't responding to these cases alone.

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This shows the aftermath after the choke until the EMT arrived. Notice the EMT's response as she checked his pulse and DID not give him CPR. Their standard procedure is to first check a person's pulse. If that person still has a pulse, even if they appear unresponsive, they apply CPR right away to try to resuscitate them. The fact that she didn't even try hints that he was already dead and there was no point. Saying he died in the ambulance of asthma is a PR stunt.

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This shows the aftermath after the choke until the EMT arrived. Notice the EMT's response as she checked his pulse and DID not give him CPR. Their standard procedure is to first check a person's pulse. If that person still has a pulse, even if they appear unresponsive, they apply CPR right away to try to resuscitate them. The fact that she didn't even try hints that he was already dead and there was no point. Saying he died in the ambulance of asthma is a PR stunt.

Originally Posted by NOBLE

I think you might have already been racist prior to this.
You think incorrectly. Disagreeing with black people doesnt make me racist.

I can literally point to TONS of studies that show Black men are multiple times more likely to be stopped and prosecuted for the same crimes, multiple times more likely to receive heavier penalties for the same crimes, multiple times more likely to be falsely accused and convicted only to be exculpated years later. I can point to studies done on police department training simulations where they are meant to make split second decisions like in a hostage situation and they're more likely to shoot a Black character who is unarmed and miss a White suspect who is actually carrying a weapon. Unless you've done similarly rigorous studies to dispute these findings, you don't have a leg to stand on in calling them complete bullshit.
"Projects" and "Ghettos" are the worst areas with the most crime right? What is the highest % of race there? Black people. So you're right, more black people get stopped. By your logic it's like me claiming the government is more racist towards Scottish people in Scotland because more Scottish people get stopped than anything else.

Prove anything else with links to actually reputable sources. There is a zero percent chance that people are trained to shoot unarmed black people than armed white people. And if they are, maybe that's because races connect to each other. Who's to say black cops don't shoot unarmed white people in those scenarios?

Profiling is not always based on how you're dressed and Black men have been profiled while wearing business suits or driving cars that were considered too expensive. And believe it or not, Obama DOES literally look like a criminal to many people. That's part of the reason why he's the worst President ever who couldn't possibly have attained the Oval Office legitimately and was probably not even born in the U.S. But that's beside the point. "Profiling, not racial-profiling", as you call it, happens to people of certain color regardless of how they're dressed a lot more than it happens to non-colored people and that can be statistically proven.

Statistically, you've proved zero of your statistics and just say the word statistically to back up your point. Scientifically, I'm right and you're wrong.

George Bush is considered the worst president in America of all time. Is America racist towards white people?

The old 'if they got nothing to hide, they shouldn't mind being searched' argument. Getting stopped repeatedly because of your appearance is dehumanizing. Every human being should have a right to appear how they want to appear and dress how they want to dress without being demonized for it. There are many people who wear hoodies and baggy jeans as a style, not because they are criminal or have criminal intent. Those people have a right to dress how they want to dress without being stopped by the police every fucking time. If you want to feel as a White Scottish kid, that you understand why the police stop you when you're wearing hoodies and tracks, that's on you. Just know that your experience isn't close to comparable to brown skinned kids who come from racial groups that have been discriminated against and marginalized in more ways than the police stop for pretty much the last half millenia.

Fuck off man you've got no fucking clue what I might have faced before. Just cause some cunts black doesnt mean he's automatically been through more than anyone ever. Maybe people shouldnt get stopped cause they're from a certain place or their clothes are a certain way, but it's just the way it is. Cops are more likely to pull over a Lancer than a Volvo. maybe that's "discriminatory" to Mitzubishi owners, but is it really the outlandish or uncomprehandable? So you think elderly ladies should get random drug searches more than teenagers dressed in hoodies for the purpose of equality?

To be honest, it's the anti-protesters who are acting more like it's about race than the protesters. Do you realize that a large portion of the protesters and rioters are White? A lot of them are Anarchists, anti-police state demonstrators and people affiliated with the hacker group Anonymous, and I can post SEVERAL images and video footage from the protests to demonstrate that. Do you realize that Darren Wilson, as well as George Zimmerman are practically millionaires now? Darren Wilson received about $500,000 from the KKK and average White people who, like you, are tired of Black people "making everything about race" and think he is only being persecuted because he is a White cop doing his job and that sent thousands of dollars for his legal defense fund. He received another half a million from ABC to do an interview after the no-indictment announcement. People react to news that they have heard and people mostly focus on news concerning their community. I had frankly never heard about the White kid who underwent a similar circumstance a week after Mike Brown, and you probably shouldn't assume that the protesters had heard of it and are just choosing not to react to it either.

Have you seen A Time to Kill? You know then the black rights movement pay Samuel Jackson's character's legal fees, did you find that to be disgusting and racist? Is that different than white people paying the legal fees of a white person? I 100% disagree with it and those white people are more scum than the people defending, but to defend an offender without facts is much worse than to defend a victim without facts.

Why didn't anyone hear about this white kid? Because it's 2014, who cares about a dead white person?

And if you guys think a headlock is police brutality, you can fuck off.
A chokehold that leads to someone dying while he's saying "I can't breathe" isn't police brutality?

On cops last week a dude shouted "you're hurting me" so the cop released the cuffs a bit. The dude then headbutted him and ran off.

That scary ass mentality is exactly what we don't need in cops. I think þe best solution would be if they made it a point to hire only cops or live or grew up in the neighborhood they are to patrol. We don't need any cops from out of town who has a skewed view of our hood like we're all gun toting gangsters and is ready to shoot us if we make any movements that isn't differential.

If no one had guns it would be a hell of a lot better.

What's disgusting is your absolute cluelessness. You seem to believe all these Black people are delusional and there is no such thing as racism. They just like to whine and make noise about cases like this for no reason, not because it's pertinent to their everyday experiences or anything like that. You're such a know-it-all that you would presume to know and diagnose the experiences of millions of people more than they know their own experience. I almost can't think of anything more disgustingly ignorant tbh.

Yet you say I can't possibly comprehend their "struggle", yet you know nothing about me or what I may have faced, how are you any different? You are fully ignorant to anything I may have faced or experienced, why, because you disagree with me and a white person can't possible face the things a black person has. Racism is an excuse in 2014. People who overcome it never bitch and complain about race. Whenever you quote Obama being black and saying black people can achieve success against all odds, black people now reply "He's half white" lmao.

Martin Luther King wanted black people to overcome oppression and be whatever they want to be. Everyone in this world has the ability to achieve their dreams. Black, white, asian, who cares. It's all the same, and we can all be whatever we want to be.

Black people in 2014 (the ones in these situations, not all black people of course) are more concerned with continuing to "fight oppression" than achieve their dreams, completely against what MLK fought for.

^^^^^^

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The thing that annoys me is it's people like you NOBLE who don't want to see black people succeed. You're too busy caught up in the "This one black dude couldnt get a job, most likely cause he's black" opinion instead of saying "Keep trying. Loads of black people are employed and that one situation shouldnt hold you back".

THAT imo is racist. The marginalization of a race based on their skin colour.

Originally Posted by NOBLE

I think you might have already been racist prior to this.
You think incorrectly. Disagreeing with black people doesnt make me racist.

I can literally point to TONS of studies that show Black men are multiple times more likely to be stopped and prosecuted for the same crimes, multiple times more likely to receive heavier penalties for the same crimes, multiple times more likely to be falsely accused and convicted only to be exculpated years later. I can point to studies done on police department training simulations where they are meant to make split second decisions like in a hostage situation and they're more likely to shoot a Black character who is unarmed and miss a White suspect who is actually carrying a weapon. Unless you've done similarly rigorous studies to dispute these findings, you don't have a leg to stand on in calling them complete bullshit.
"Projects" and "Ghettos" are the worst areas with the most crime right? What is the highest % of race there? Black people. So you're right, more black people get stopped. By your logic it's like me claiming the government is more racist towards Scottish people in Scotland because more Scottish people get stopped than anything else.

Prove anything else with links to actually reputable sources. There is a zero percent chance that people are trained to shoot unarmed black people than armed white people. And if they are, maybe that's because races connect to each other. Who's to say black cops don't shoot unarmed white people in those scenarios?

Profiling is not always based on how you're dressed and Black men have been profiled while wearing business suits or driving cars that were considered too expensive. And believe it or not, Obama DOES literally look like a criminal to many people. That's part of the reason why he's the worst President ever who couldn't possibly have attained the Oval Office legitimately and was probably not even born in the U.S. But that's beside the point. "Profiling, not racial-profiling", as you call it, happens to people of certain color regardless of how they're dressed a lot more than it happens to non-colored people and that can be statistically proven.

Statistically, you've proved zero of your statistics and just say the word statistically to back up your point. Scientifically, I'm right and you're wrong.

George Bush is considered the worst president in America of all time. Is America racist towards white people?

The old 'if they got nothing to hide, they shouldn't mind being searched' argument. Getting stopped repeatedly because of your appearance is dehumanizing. Every human being should have a right to appear how they want to appear and dress how they want to dress without being demonized for it. There are many people who wear hoodies and baggy jeans as a style, not because they are criminal or have criminal intent. Those people have a right to dress how they want to dress without being stopped by the police every fucking time. If you want to feel as a White Scottish kid, that you understand why the police stop you when you're wearing hoodies and tracks, that's on you. Just know that your experience isn't close to comparable to brown skinned kids who come from racial groups that have been discriminated against and marginalized in more ways than the police stop for pretty much the last half millenia.

Fuck off man you've got no fucking clue what I might have faced before. Just cause some cunts black doesnt mean he's automatically been through more than anyone ever. Maybe people shouldnt get stopped cause they're from a certain place or their clothes are a certain way, but it's just the way it is. Cops are more likely to pull over a Lancer than a Volvo. maybe that's "discriminatory" to Mitzubishi owners, but is it really the outlandish or uncomprehandable? So you think elderly ladies should get random drug searches more than teenagers dressed in hoodies for the purpose of equality?

To be honest, it's the anti-protesters who are acting more like it's about race than the protesters. Do you realize that a large portion of the protesters and rioters are White? A lot of them are Anarchists, anti-police state demonstrators and people affiliated with the hacker group Anonymous, and I can post SEVERAL images and video footage from the protests to demonstrate that. Do you realize that Darren Wilson, as well as George Zimmerman are practically millionaires now? Darren Wilson received about $500,000 from the KKK and average White people who, like you, are tired of Black people "making everything about race" and think he is only being persecuted because he is a White cop doing his job and that sent thousands of dollars for his legal defense fund. He received another half a million from ABC to do an interview after the no-indictment announcement. People react to news that they have heard and people mostly focus on news concerning their community. I had frankly never heard about the White kid who underwent a similar circumstance a week after Mike Brown, and you probably shouldn't assume that the protesters had heard of it and are just choosing not to react to it either.

Have you seen A Time to Kill? You know then the black rights movement pay Samuel Jackson's character's legal fees, did you find that to be disgusting and racist? Is that different than white people paying the legal fees of a white person? I 100% disagree with it and those white people are more scum than the people defending, but to defend an offender without facts is much worse than to defend a victim without facts.

Why didn't anyone hear about this white kid? Because it's 2014, who cares about a dead white person?

And if you guys think a headlock is police brutality, you can fuck off.
A chokehold that leads to someone dying while he's saying "I can't breathe" isn't police brutality?

On cops last week a dude shouted "you're hurting me" so the cop released the cuffs a bit. The dude then headbutted him and ran off.

That scary ass mentality is exactly what we don't need in cops. I think þe best solution would be if they made it a point to hire only cops or live or grew up in the neighborhood they are to patrol. We don't need any cops from out of town who has a skewed view of our hood like we're all gun toting gangsters and is ready to shoot us if we make any movements that isn't differential.

If no one had guns it would be a hell of a lot better.

What's disgusting is your absolute cluelessness. You seem to believe all these Black people are delusional and there is no such thing as racism. They just like to whine and make noise about cases like this for no reason, not because it's pertinent to their everyday experiences or anything like that. You're such a know-it-all that you would presume to know and diagnose the experiences of millions of people more than they know their own experience. I almost can't think of anything more disgustingly ignorant tbh.

Yet you say I can't possibly comprehend their "struggle", yet you know nothing about me or what I may have faced, how are you any different? You are fully ignorant to anything I may have faced or experienced, why, because you disagree with me and a white person can't possible face the things a black person has. Racism is an excuse in 2014. People who overcome it never bitch and complain about race. Whenever you quote Obama being black and saying black people can achieve success against all odds, black people now reply "He's half white" lmao.

Martin Luther King wanted black people to overcome oppression and be whatever they want to be. Everyone in this world has the ability to achieve their dreams. Black, white, asian, who cares. It's all the same, and we can all be whatever we want to be.

Black people in 2014 (the ones in these situations, not all black people of course) are more concerned with continuing to "fight oppression" than achieve their dreams, completely against what MLK fought for.

^^^^^^

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The thing that annoys me is it's people like you NOBLE who don't want to see black people succeed. You're too busy caught up in the "This one black dude couldnt get a job, most likely cause he's black" opinion instead of saying "Keep trying. Loads of black people are employed and that one situation shouldnt hold you back".

THAT imo is racist. The marginalization of a race based on their skin colour.

Man, I can't belive police they make me so sad and angry sometimes, some are actually that ignorant that they think they are still doing good. Your guys argument is only about this one incident it does not matter which one of you are right and wrong the fact is police are killing people at random all the time for the smallest issues that they chose to pick out an blow up world wide these days. We already know how these things go if you don't feel like being bullied or harassed and you dare show any form of "Disrespect" you get beat or "Accidently" killed. The guy who died was brave, enjoy peace.

Man, I can't belive police they make me so sad and angry sometimes, some are actually that ignorant that they think they are still doing good. Your guys argument is only about this one incident it does not matter which one of you are right and wrong the fact is police are killing people at random all the time for the smallest issues that they chose to pick out an blow up world wide these days. We already know how these things go if you don't feel like being bullied or harassed and you dare show any form of "Disrespect" you get beat or "Accidently" killed. The guy who died was brave, enjoy peace.

That's not the police, it's individual people through that occupation.

To say all police are murderers based on these situations is like saying all black people are criminals because Mike Brown robbed those cigars. Cops are just people who picked an occupation. Some individual people are horrendous, some are good. Thats why I'm against guns. There are two groups of people who use guns out of war; criminals and cops. When you get down to it, a cop is just a normal dude who chose to wear the blues like a criminal is just a normal person who chose to break the law. Neither should be trusted with other people's lives in their hands. They should merely enforce the law and let people be judged by the people who do the judging (cops can bring people in, that's fine. They will get off if they are innocent and if they dont that has nothing to do with the cops). But in putting guns in people on the street's hands, cops have guns in their hands. All the exact same.

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I think the main problem with you Sup is you want to be able to do shit like smoke weed and not get in trouble. If the cops bust you, they're cunts. It's not a cop's job to interoperate the law. They just enforce it. The ones who let you off are the bad ones. By wanting cops to interoperate the laws, you are inviting in those cops who think certain amount of force etc. are justifiable.

That's not the police, it's individual people through that occupation.

To say all police are murderers based on these situations is like saying all black people are criminals because Mike Brown robbed those cigars. Cops are just people who picked an occupation. Some individual people are horrendous, some are good. Thats why I'm against guns. There are two groups of people who use guns out of war; criminals and cops. When you get down to it, a cop is just a normal dude who chose to wear the blues like a criminal is just a normal person who chose to break the law. Neither should be trusted with other people's lives in their hands. They should merely enforce the law and let people be judged by the people who do the judging (cops can bring people in, that's fine. They will get off if they are innocent and if they dont that has nothing to do with the cops). But in putting guns in people on the street's hands, cops have guns in their hands. All the exact same.

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I think the main problem with you Sup is you want to be able to do shit like smoke weed and not get in trouble. If the cops bust you, they're cunts. It's not a cop's job to interoperate the law. They just enforce it. The ones who let you off are the bad ones. By wanting cops to interoperate the laws, you are inviting in those cops who think certain amount of force etc. are justifiable.