Understanding VP (Vote Power) and how it works.

[Kryptik]

Battles like this: https://www.letsbeef.com/battle_deta...n=tb&id=533618

Crazy! The fact that 1 person, Kiwi who is an under 80% winning battler his vote held so much weight, and Dex lost the battle.

Side note: Kiwi and Nat have a pact to help each other out. Oddly that’s who Dex battled and that’s how he lost. Bnas voted does his vote not count? Sic, Death, all you would think would add up to count enough.

[Kryptik]

Battles like this: https://www.letsbeef.com/battle_deta...n=tb&id=533618

Crazy! The fact that 1 person, Kiwi who is an under 80% winning battler his vote held so much weight, and Dex lost the battle.

Side note: Kiwi and Nat have a pact to help each other out. Oddly that’s who Dex battled and that’s how he lost. Bnas voted does his vote not count? Sic, Death, all you would think would add up to count enough.

[Kiwi Peewee]

I’m not a mod so I don’t have to defend the VP system; I agree battles like that one are not a good look which is why we should aim to have more high-VP voters voting regularly. When I was a mod the expectation was that every staff member would vote on every battle but that probably isn’t sustainable atm.

There are 2 things I’ll respond to tho. 1) Am I buddy voting with Nat? 2) Do I deserve high VP?

1) obviously not you fucking moron. I barely know who Nat is. I’ve been trying to get to every battle on the site, which obviously includes all of his, and I’ll vote for whoever I think wins. At worst I could be accused of favouring his style (creative ideas subject to occasional reaches) rather than very basic punches well-executed. But given that the point of voting is to vote for what you like, I don’t see how this is a problem. Also, if I have a “pact” with this dude, what exactly am I supposed to be getting out of it? He hasn’t voted on any of my battles this year.

2) based on the outcome of the battle, I would guess I have 3 VP, and the 3 other voters have 0, 1, 1 VP (idk which has 0). The general system of VP is that terrible voters (either don’t understand battle rap at all, or regularly hate/buddy/spam vote) should have 0, bad voters should have 1, average voters should have 2, and proven high quality voters should have 3. Putting aside whether you like the system (I am not a mod, I can’t affect it) I think within that system I definitely deserve 3 VP. My “under 80% win record” is irrelevant, the people with the highest win % tend to be snipers with poor understanding of bars. My career has seen me go toe-to-toe with the heavyweights of my day like Lockhart, Edgeworth, Shodan, Rai etc. I have won multiple titles. I was a moderator for a long time and trusted as an excellent and fair staff member by the vast majority of the userbase. I also go out of my way to vote on as many battles as possible to give feedback to rookie battlers and try help them elevate on the site. Bnas may have a 99% winning record, but he has been proven in the past to not have even been reading battles he voted on.

[Kiwi Peewee]

I’m not a mod so I don’t have to defend the VP system; I agree battles like that one are not a good look which is why we should aim to have more high-VP voters voting regularly. When I was a mod the expectation was that every staff member would vote on every battle but that probably isn’t sustainable atm.

There are 2 things I’ll respond to tho. 1) Am I buddy voting with Nat? 2) Do I deserve high VP?

1) obviously not you fucking moron. I barely know who Nat is. I’ve been trying to get to every battle on the site, which obviously includes all of his, and I’ll vote for whoever I think wins. At worst I could be accused of favouring his style (creative ideas subject to occasional reaches) rather than very basic punches well-executed. But given that the point of voting is to vote for what you like, I don’t see how this is a problem. Also, if I have a “pact” with this dude, what exactly am I supposed to be getting out of it? He hasn’t voted on any of my battles this year.

2) based on the outcome of the battle, I would guess I have 3 VP, and the 3 other voters have 0, 1, 1 VP (idk which has 0). The general system of VP is that terrible voters (either don’t understand battle rap at all, or regularly hate/buddy/spam vote) should have 0, bad voters should have 1, average voters should have 2, and proven high quality voters should have 3. Putting aside whether you like the system (I am not a mod, I can’t affect it) I think within that system I definitely deserve 3 VP. My “under 80% win record” is irrelevant, the people with the highest win % tend to be snipers with poor understanding of bars. My career has seen me go toe-to-toe with the heavyweights of my day like Lockhart, Edgeworth, Shodan, Rai etc. I have won multiple titles. I was a moderator for a long time and trusted as an excellent and fair staff member by the vast majority of the userbase. I also go out of my way to vote on as many battles as possible to give feedback to rookie battlers and try help them elevate on the site. Bnas may have a 99% winning record, but he has been proven in the past to not have even been reading battles he voted on.

[Dexter]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

I’m not a mod so I don’t have to defend the VP system; I agree battles like that one are not a good look which is why we should aim to have more high-VP voters voting regularly. When I was a mod the expectation was that every staff member would vote on every battle but that probably isn’t sustainable atm.

There are 2 things I’ll respond to tho. 1) Am I buddy voting with Nat? 2) Do I deserve high VP?

1) obviously not you fucking moron. I barely know who Nat is. I’ve been trying to get to every battle on the site, which obviously includes all of his, and I’ll vote for whoever I think wins. At worst I could be accused of favouring his style (creative ideas subject to occasional reaches) rather than very basic punches well-executed. But given that the point of voting is to vote for what you like, I don’t see how this is a problem. Also, if I have a “pact” with this dude, what exactly am I supposed to be getting out of it? He hasn’t voted on any of my battles this year.

2) based on the outcome of the battle, I would guess I have 3 VP, and the 3 other voters have 0, 1, 1 VP (idk which has 0). The general system of VP is that terrible voters (either don’t understand battle rap at all, or regularly hate/buddy/spam vote) should have 0, bad voters should have 1, average voters should have 2, and proven high quality voters should have 3. Putting aside whether you like the system (I am not a mod, I can’t affect it) I think within that system I definitely deserve 3 VP. My “under 80% win record” is irrelevant, the people with the highest win % tend to be snipers with poor understanding of bars. My career has seen me go toe-to-toe with the heavyweights of my day like Lockhart, Edgeworth, Shodan, Rai etc. I have won multiple titles. I was a moderator for a long time and trusted as an excellent and fair staff member by the vast majority of the userbase. I also go out of my way to vote on as many battles as possible to give feedback to rookie battlers and try help them elevate on the site. Bnas may have a 99% winning record, but he has been proven in the past to not have even been reading battles he voted on.

“Basic punches”

Kiwi your titles are Rookie Champion & Autumn Champion. These are literally second grade titles which you and ALOT of others won after the sites decline in 2017.

[Dexter]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

I’m not a mod so I don’t have to defend the VP system; I agree battles like that one are not a good look which is why we should aim to have more high-VP voters voting regularly. When I was a mod the expectation was that every staff member would vote on every battle but that probably isn’t sustainable atm.

There are 2 things I’ll respond to tho. 1) Am I buddy voting with Nat? 2) Do I deserve high VP?

1) obviously not you fucking moron. I barely know who Nat is. I’ve been trying to get to every battle on the site, which obviously includes all of his, and I’ll vote for whoever I think wins. At worst I could be accused of favouring his style (creative ideas subject to occasional reaches) rather than very basic punches well-executed. But given that the point of voting is to vote for what you like, I don’t see how this is a problem. Also, if I have a “pact” with this dude, what exactly am I supposed to be getting out of it? He hasn’t voted on any of my battles this year.

2) based on the outcome of the battle, I would guess I have 3 VP, and the 3 other voters have 0, 1, 1 VP (idk which has 0). The general system of VP is that terrible voters (either don’t understand battle rap at all, or regularly hate/buddy/spam vote) should have 0, bad voters should have 1, average voters should have 2, and proven high quality voters should have 3. Putting aside whether you like the system (I am not a mod, I can’t affect it) I think within that system I definitely deserve 3 VP. My “under 80% win record” is irrelevant, the people with the highest win % tend to be snipers with poor understanding of bars. My career has seen me go toe-to-toe with the heavyweights of my day like Lockhart, Edgeworth, Shodan, Rai etc. I have won multiple titles. I was a moderator for a long time and trusted as an excellent and fair staff member by the vast majority of the userbase. I also go out of my way to vote on as many battles as possible to give feedback to rookie battlers and try help them elevate on the site. Bnas may have a 99% winning record, but he has been proven in the past to not have even been reading battles he voted on.

“Basic punches”

Kiwi your titles are Rookie Champion & Autumn Champion. These are literally second grade titles which you and ALOT of others won after the sites decline in 2017.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Dexter

“Basic punches”

So they can "collect, son" like they RUNNIN' SOLAR GRADE. Every bar is "cutting edge" like men that WANNA CLOSER SHAVE!

Kiwi your titles are Rookie Champion & Autumn Champion. These are literally second grade titles which you and ALOT of others won after the sites decline in 2017.

1) Even if that's true, it's still a much greater accomplishment than anything that Bnas, SicSuav, or DeathDaKid have accomplished, so if you're comparing my vote to theirs the point still stands.

2) I was also LBT champion for most of 2020, one of the most active years for LB in recent times, and battled heavyweights throughout my run.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Dexter

“Basic punches”

So they can "collect, son" like they RUNNIN' SOLAR GRADE. Every bar is "cutting edge" like men that WANNA CLOSER SHAVE!

Kiwi your titles are Rookie Champion & Autumn Champion. These are literally second grade titles which you and ALOT of others won after the sites decline in 2017.

1) Even if that's true, it's still a much greater accomplishment than anything that Bnas, SicSuav, or DeathDaKid have accomplished, so if you're comparing my vote to theirs the point still stands.

2) I was also LBT champion for most of 2020, one of the most active years for LB in recent times, and battled heavyweights throughout my run.

[Dexter]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

So they can "collect, son" like they RUNNIN' SOLAR GRADE. Every bar is "cutting edge" like men that WANNA CLOSER SHAVE!



1) Even if that's true, it's still a much greater accomplishment than anything that Bnas, SicSuav, or DeathDaKid have accomplished, so if you're comparing my vote to theirs the point still stands.

2) I was also LBT champion for most of 2020, one of the most active years for LB in recent times, and battled heavyweights throughout my run.

yall got garbage setups, s'why ya punches DIDNT CONNECT.. u jus "sayin shit for no reason" like a TIC W/ TOURETTES! - Kiwi

[Dexter]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

So they can "collect, son" like they RUNNIN' SOLAR GRADE. Every bar is "cutting edge" like men that WANNA CLOSER SHAVE!



1) Even if that's true, it's still a much greater accomplishment than anything that Bnas, SicSuav, or DeathDaKid have accomplished, so if you're comparing my vote to theirs the point still stands.

2) I was also LBT champion for most of 2020, one of the most active years for LB in recent times, and battled heavyweights throughout my run.

yall got garbage setups, s'why ya punches DIDNT CONNECT.. u jus "sayin shit for no reason" like a TIC W/ TOURETTES! - Kiwi

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Dexter

yall got garbage setups, s'why ya punches DIDNT CONNECT.. u jus "sayin shit for no reason" like a TIC W/ TOURETTES! - Kiwi

Wow sick burn. One line from Phro’s half of a snipe tag verse really disproves my point that your verse was basic so I didn’t vote for it. You should take some da feet bars I used against Jay Diamond and show them to Odin to get him to overturn my vote.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Dexter

yall got garbage setups, s'why ya punches DIDNT CONNECT.. u jus "sayin shit for no reason" like a TIC W/ TOURETTES! - Kiwi

Wow sick burn. One line from Phro’s half of a snipe tag verse really disproves my point that your verse was basic so I didn’t vote for it. You should take some da feet bars I used against Jay Diamond and show them to Odin to get him to overturn my vote.

[RhetoriK]

Originally Posted by Dexter

yall got garbage setups, s'why ya punches DIDNT CONNECT.. u jus "sayin shit for no reason" like a TIC W/ TOURETTES! - Kiwi

“tore-rhets”*- Masked-Reaper


what's the argument here? @Dexter and @Kiwi Peewee?

[RhetoriK]

Originally Posted by Dexter

yall got garbage setups, s'why ya punches DIDNT CONNECT.. u jus "sayin shit for no reason" like a TIC W/ TOURETTES! - Kiwi

“tore-rhets”*- Masked-Reaper


what's the argument here? @Dexter and @Kiwi Peewee?

[Esso]

The VP argument for the millionth time. If the current system isn’t working, what’s the fix or replacement?

And please don’t say pure democracy….anyone who’s battled elsewhere should be able to explain why thats a terrible idea.

[Esso]

The VP argument for the millionth time. If the current system isn’t working, what’s the fix or replacement?

And please don’t say pure democracy….anyone who’s battled elsewhere should be able to explain why thats a terrible idea.

[Affinity]

VP is fine, but everyone has to start voting better, not just the weirdos with 0 vp. Even the moderators who have 3 that drop votes like:

"that was a good read, clearly felt one more due to the effectiveness of their punches and how clean their multies are. Fairs in"

^^that, is a trash vote and it's pretty much what everyone does these days since it's monkey see monkey do out here. I'm not suggesting every bar needs a breakdown, but be better.

[Affinity]

VP is fine, but everyone has to start voting better, not just the weirdos with 0 vp. Even the moderators who have 3 that drop votes like:

"that was a good read, clearly felt one more due to the effectiveness of their punches and how clean their multies are. Fairs in"

^^that, is a trash vote and it's pretty much what everyone does these days since it's monkey see monkey do out here. I'm not suggesting every bar needs a breakdown, but be better.

[Esso]

Originally Posted by Affinity

VP is fine, but everyone has to start voting better, not just the weirdos with 0vp. Even the moderators who have 3 that drop votes like

"that was a good read, clearly felt one more due to the effectiveness of their punches and how clean their multies are. Fairs in"

^^that, is a trash vote and it's pretty much what everyone does these days since it's monkey see monkey do out here. I'm not suggesting every bar needs a breakdown, but be better.

That’s fair as hell. I’m guilty of this at times. Ima try to be more specific with critique and feedback when I’m voting.

[Esso]

Originally Posted by Affinity

VP is fine, but everyone has to start voting better, not just the weirdos with 0vp. Even the moderators who have 3 that drop votes like

"that was a good read, clearly felt one more due to the effectiveness of their punches and how clean their multies are. Fairs in"

^^that, is a trash vote and it's pretty much what everyone does these days since it's monkey see monkey do out here. I'm not suggesting every bar needs a breakdown, but be better.

That’s fair as hell. I’m guilty of this at times. Ima try to be more specific with critique and feedback when I’m voting.