Concerning Trend I've Noticed

[Malishus]

Originally Posted by Punk

Like if I wrote in all lowercase people be like "cap your rhymes"

Why because you're stupid? Oh ok let me hold the pacifier to your mouth.

i died after this.. the cap your rhymes is stupid debate been goin on for years. unfortunately people are stupid as fuck and can only read caps. imo, u get way better flow by not thinking so hard on capping elaborate multis, to the point where your trying so fuckin hard to impress people with 8 or 9 syllable schemes, the wording and multi becomes forced to hell and unnatural, and your whole bar becomes a runon sentence.. fuck flow.

[Malishus]

Originally Posted by Punk

Like if I wrote in all lowercase people be like "cap your rhymes"

Why because you're stupid? Oh ok let me hold the pacifier to your mouth.

i died after this.. the cap your rhymes is stupid debate been goin on for years. unfortunately people are stupid as fuck and can only read caps. imo, u get way better flow by not thinking so hard on capping elaborate multis, to the point where your trying so fuckin hard to impress people with 8 or 9 syllable schemes, the wording and multi becomes forced to hell and unnatural, and your whole bar becomes a runon sentence.. fuck flow.

[EtH]

^agree with the second point of this, but again you guys are talking shite and need to battle off of LB if you think the caps don't make a difference.

Face it your gay bars is whack and corny kid, attack, ill choke this bitch
since ya 'fight with little force, dude',.. mandalorian

So...17 syllables in line one and 13 in the second?

That's literally how it works off of LB. You can either stick your shit in a battle box or write line for line, but if you write line for line you dont get away with 17 and 13 anymore, that shit has to be written properly

You can all go back to writing without caps if you want. But you when people struggle with your flow you dont get to bitch about jt.

Edit: You do touch on something with the elaborate multis bit. Its good for end of line signalling but you dont need yo cap everything that rhymes, nor do you need to always do 5+ syllables.

[EtH]

^agree with the second point of this, but again you guys are talking shite and need to battle off of LB if you think the caps don't make a difference.

Face it your gay bars is whack and corny kid, attack, ill choke this bitch
since ya 'fight with little force, dude',.. mandalorian

So...17 syllables in line one and 13 in the second?

That's literally how it works off of LB. You can either stick your shit in a battle box or write line for line, but if you write line for line you dont get away with 17 and 13 anymore, that shit has to be written properly

You can all go back to writing without caps if you want. But you when people struggle with your flow you dont get to bitch about jt.

Edit: You do touch on something with the elaborate multis bit. Its good for end of line signalling but you dont need yo cap everything that rhymes, nor do you need to always do 5+ syllables.

[Barzooka]

I'm not even going to cap. I didn't really have too much of a problem with it. Then my homie Shodan convinced me that there was something wrong with that shit so I was like okay.

Because one word shouldn't start off with not having syllables relevant to the following multi. But then the homie Shodan beated Rant and I see other dudes vanquishing people with the style and it's like.... what?

So at this point I'm just going to judge that shit by how hard it actually assists in the ultimate punchline....

[Barzooka]

I'm not even going to cap. I didn't really have too much of a problem with it. Then my homie Shodan convinced me that there was something wrong with that shit so I was like okay.

Because one word shouldn't start off with not having syllables relevant to the following multi. But then the homie Shodan beated Rant and I see other dudes vanquishing people with the style and it's like.... what?

So at this point I'm just going to judge that shit by how hard it actually assists in the ultimate punchline....

Glad someone finally addressed this.

Glad someone finally addressed this.

[EtH]

How many dawns, chill from his rippling rest, the seagull's wings shall dip and pivot him, shedding white rings of tumult, building high, Over the chained bay waters Liberty. Then, with inviolate curve, forsake our eyes, as apparitional as sails that cross, some page of figures to be filed away, till elevators drop us from our day. I think of cinemas, panoramic sleights, with multitudes bent toward some flashing scene, never disclosed, but hastened to again, foretold to other eyes on the same screen and Thee, across the harbor, silver-paced, as though the sun took step of thee, yet left, some motion ever unspent in thy stride, implicitly thy freedom staying thee, out of some subway scuttle, cell or loft, a bedlamite speeds to thy parapets, tilting there momently, shrill shirt ballooning, a jest falls from the speechless caravan. Down Wall, from girder into street noon leaks, a rip-tooth of the sky's acetylene; all afternoon the cloud-flown derricks turn, thy cables breathe the North Atlantic still. And obscure as that heaven of the Jews, thy guerdon ... Accolade thou dost bestow, of anonymity time cannot raise: vibrant reprieve and pardon thou dost show. O harp and altar, of the fury fused, (How could mere toil align thy choiring strings!) Terrific threshold of the prophet's pledge, prayer of pariah, and the lover's cry, again the traffic lights that skim thy swift, unfractioned idiom, immaculate sigh of stars, beading thy path, condense eternity: and we have seen night lifted in thine arms. Under thy shadow by the piers I waited; only in darkness is thy shadow clear. The City's fiery parcels all undone, already snow submerges an iron year. O Sleepless as the river under thee, vaulting the sea, the prairies' dreaming sod, unto us lowliest sometime sweep, descend, and of the curveship lend a myth to God.


Here is a "modernist classic" poem. Flows awesome right? Any of you want to hazard a guess as to why the writer used periods to separate lines and stanzas instead of writing it all in one block? High five to the winner.

[EtH]

How many dawns, chill from his rippling rest, the seagull's wings shall dip and pivot him, shedding white rings of tumult, building high, Over the chained bay waters Liberty. Then, with inviolate curve, forsake our eyes, as apparitional as sails that cross, some page of figures to be filed away, till elevators drop us from our day. I think of cinemas, panoramic sleights, with multitudes bent toward some flashing scene, never disclosed, but hastened to again, foretold to other eyes on the same screen and Thee, across the harbor, silver-paced, as though the sun took step of thee, yet left, some motion ever unspent in thy stride, implicitly thy freedom staying thee, out of some subway scuttle, cell or loft, a bedlamite speeds to thy parapets, tilting there momently, shrill shirt ballooning, a jest falls from the speechless caravan. Down Wall, from girder into street noon leaks, a rip-tooth of the sky's acetylene; all afternoon the cloud-flown derricks turn, thy cables breathe the North Atlantic still. And obscure as that heaven of the Jews, thy guerdon ... Accolade thou dost bestow, of anonymity time cannot raise: vibrant reprieve and pardon thou dost show. O harp and altar, of the fury fused, (How could mere toil align thy choiring strings!) Terrific threshold of the prophet's pledge, prayer of pariah, and the lover's cry, again the traffic lights that skim thy swift, unfractioned idiom, immaculate sigh of stars, beading thy path, condense eternity: and we have seen night lifted in thine arms. Under thy shadow by the piers I waited; only in darkness is thy shadow clear. The City's fiery parcels all undone, already snow submerges an iron year. O Sleepless as the river under thee, vaulting the sea, the prairies' dreaming sod, unto us lowliest sometime sweep, descend, and of the curveship lend a myth to God.


Here is a "modernist classic" poem. Flows awesome right? Any of you want to hazard a guess as to why the writer used periods to separate lines and stanzas instead of writing it all in one block? High five to the winner.

[TKtheGREAT]

Cappin multies has to do with flow and format..you are writing these bars, you have time to line out the scheme and find the right rhyming words...the tutorial in the threads has multies capped. And it's a format I think helps elevate the mc writing and the mc reading. In both battles and in their tracks.

[TKtheGREAT]

Cappin multies has to do with flow and format..you are writing these bars, you have time to line out the scheme and find the right rhyming words...the tutorial in the threads has multies capped. And it's a format I think helps elevate the mc writing and the mc reading. In both battles and in their tracks.

[Óðinn]

Originally Posted by EtH

High five to the winner.

This made me LOL.

[Óðinn]

Originally Posted by EtH

High five to the winner.

This made me LOL.

[EtH]

I think you guys need to understand where this shit comes from. Ill use my bars Vs RULE.

Original Style
Picture this; ILL5, DedSec start to open the casket,
And out jumps murda muzik who start unloading the static,
The battles are real tight, it’s close and dramatic,
While rule’s like “hmmm, i think i’m voting for classick”.
Those illmania wins? think anything classick has done’s real?
Nah see rule needed to scheme to have any success like my battle with subreal,
See me and him arranged a crew battle, we was aiming to body holmes,
But it just couldn’t be black and white like he was hating on oreos,
Did he battle illokwent? manny? nah it was “Davie we gotta go
And even though you’ve never rapped in your life, yep, i’m making it audio”
See, i guess i told him not to fuck with the squad or they’ll get faded in history,
But when i said he should “pick his battles” guess he was taking it literally,
Your lines are so unoriginal, so shit in the worst way,
Like honestly, Give him every one of your votes if a single line that this fucker has wrote isn’t idiom wordplay,
He’ll be “exposed by whats in store” … like he was stripping in malls!!/
He would only be “handed a round” … if i give him a ball!!/
He got “alien drops” … like an immigrant falls/
Don’t get it rule? Your style isn’t skillful at all!


This is the original way to write lines. It's extremely easy to see the rhymes. You always know what to expect coming forward. However, this is like 20+ lines. Your opponent has just brought a verse without the spaces and brought an additional 2 punch lines over you. So you cut out the periods.

Uncapped Battle Box Style
Picture this; ILL5, DedSec start to open the casket, and out jumps murda muzik who start unloading the static. The battles are real tight, it’s close and dramatic, while rule’s like “hmmm, i think i’m voting for classick”. Those illmania wins? Think anything classick has done’s real? Nah see rule needed to scheme to have any success like my battle with Subreal. See me and him arranged a crew battle, we was aiming to body holmes, but it just couldn’t be black and white like he was hating on oreos. Did he battle illokwent? manny? nah it was “Davie we gotta go, and even though you’ve never rapped in your life, yep, i’m making it audio”. See, i guess i told him not to fuck with the squad or they’ll get faded in history, but when i said he should “pick his battles” guess he was taking it literally. Your lines are so unoriginal, so shit in the worst way like honestly, ive him every one of your votes if a single line that this fucker has wrote isn’t idiom wordplay. He’ll be “exposed by whats in store” … like he was stripping in malls!!/ He would only be “handed a round” … if i give him a ball!!/ He got “alien drops” … like an immigrant falls/ Don’t get it rule? Your style isn’t skillful at all!



Suddenly it becomes MUCH harder to to recogonize the rhymes and which line starts and ends where. Its all horribly crushed upon itself. Everyone is writing this shit, then some dude named conceited starts capping the rhymes.

Capped Battle Box Style
Picture this; Ill5, DedSec start to OPEN THE CASKET and out jumps Murda Muzik who start unLOADING THE STATIC! The battles are real tight, it’s CLOSE AND DRAMATIC while Rule’s like “Hmmm, I think I’m VOTING FOR CLASSICK”! Those Illmania wins? Think anything CLASSICK HAS DONE’S REAL? Nah see Rule needed to scheme to have any success like my BATTLE WITH SUBREAL! See me and him arranged a crew battle, we was AIMING TO BODY HOLMES but it just couldn’t be black and white like he was HATING ON OREOS! Did he battle Illokwent? Manny? Nah it was “DAVIE WE GOTTA GO and even though you’ve never rapped in your life, yep, I’m MAKING IT AUDIO”! See, I guess I told him not to fuck with the squad or they’ll get FADED IN HISTORY but when I said he should “pick his battles” guess he was TAKING IT LITERALLY! Your lines are so unoriginal, so SHIT IN THE WORST WAY like honestly, give him every ONE OF YOUR VOTES if a single line that this FUCKER HAS WROTE isn’t IDIOM WORDPLAY! He’ll be “exposed by whats in store” … like he was STRIPPING IN MALLS!!/ He would only be “handed a round” … if I GIVE HIM A BALL!!/ He got “alien drops” … like an imMIGRANT FALLS/ Don’t get it Rule? Your style isn’t SKILLFUL AT ALL!


And then 14 years later, this remains the standard.

[EtH]

I think you guys need to understand where this shit comes from. Ill use my bars Vs RULE.

Original Style
Picture this; ILL5, DedSec start to open the casket,
And out jumps murda muzik who start unloading the static,
The battles are real tight, it’s close and dramatic,
While rule’s like “hmmm, i think i’m voting for classick”.
Those illmania wins? think anything classick has done’s real?
Nah see rule needed to scheme to have any success like my battle with subreal,
See me and him arranged a crew battle, we was aiming to body holmes,
But it just couldn’t be black and white like he was hating on oreos,
Did he battle illokwent? manny? nah it was “Davie we gotta go
And even though you’ve never rapped in your life, yep, i’m making it audio”
See, i guess i told him not to fuck with the squad or they’ll get faded in history,
But when i said he should “pick his battles” guess he was taking it literally,
Your lines are so unoriginal, so shit in the worst way,
Like honestly, Give him every one of your votes if a single line that this fucker has wrote isn’t idiom wordplay,
He’ll be “exposed by whats in store” … like he was stripping in malls!!/
He would only be “handed a round” … if i give him a ball!!/
He got “alien drops” … like an immigrant falls/
Don’t get it rule? Your style isn’t skillful at all!


This is the original way to write lines. It's extremely easy to see the rhymes. You always know what to expect coming forward. However, this is like 20+ lines. Your opponent has just brought a verse without the spaces and brought an additional 2 punch lines over you. So you cut out the periods.

Uncapped Battle Box Style
Picture this; ILL5, DedSec start to open the casket, and out jumps murda muzik who start unloading the static. The battles are real tight, it’s close and dramatic, while rule’s like “hmmm, i think i’m voting for classick”. Those illmania wins? Think anything classick has done’s real? Nah see rule needed to scheme to have any success like my battle with Subreal. See me and him arranged a crew battle, we was aiming to body holmes, but it just couldn’t be black and white like he was hating on oreos. Did he battle illokwent? manny? nah it was “Davie we gotta go, and even though you’ve never rapped in your life, yep, i’m making it audio”. See, i guess i told him not to fuck with the squad or they’ll get faded in history, but when i said he should “pick his battles” guess he was taking it literally. Your lines are so unoriginal, so shit in the worst way like honestly, ive him every one of your votes if a single line that this fucker has wrote isn’t idiom wordplay. He’ll be “exposed by whats in store” … like he was stripping in malls!!/ He would only be “handed a round” … if i give him a ball!!/ He got “alien drops” … like an immigrant falls/ Don’t get it rule? Your style isn’t skillful at all!



Suddenly it becomes MUCH harder to to recogonize the rhymes and which line starts and ends where. Its all horribly crushed upon itself. Everyone is writing this shit, then some dude named conceited starts capping the rhymes.

Capped Battle Box Style
Picture this; Ill5, DedSec start to OPEN THE CASKET and out jumps Murda Muzik who start unLOADING THE STATIC! The battles are real tight, it’s CLOSE AND DRAMATIC while Rule’s like “Hmmm, I think I’m VOTING FOR CLASSICK”! Those Illmania wins? Think anything CLASSICK HAS DONE’S REAL? Nah see Rule needed to scheme to have any success like my BATTLE WITH SUBREAL! See me and him arranged a crew battle, we was AIMING TO BODY HOLMES but it just couldn’t be black and white like he was HATING ON OREOS! Did he battle Illokwent? Manny? Nah it was “DAVIE WE GOTTA GO and even though you’ve never rapped in your life, yep, I’m MAKING IT AUDIO”! See, I guess I told him not to fuck with the squad or they’ll get FADED IN HISTORY but when I said he should “pick his battles” guess he was TAKING IT LITERALLY! Your lines are so unoriginal, so SHIT IN THE WORST WAY like honestly, give him every ONE OF YOUR VOTES if a single line that this FUCKER HAS WROTE isn’t IDIOM WORDPLAY! He’ll be “exposed by whats in store” … like he was STRIPPING IN MALLS!!/ He would only be “handed a round” … if I GIVE HIM A BALL!!/ He got “alien drops” … like an imMIGRANT FALLS/ Don’t get it Rule? Your style isn’t SKILLFUL AT ALL!


And then 14 years later, this remains the standard.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Here’s how I see it:

People that give an auto-loss to someone for not capping their multis are lazy or dumb, and should give their best effort to find the rhymes.

People that don’t think you should cap your multis are bitchy and inconsiderate. It costs you nothing but it makes the voter’s life a lot easier. Different people have different accents and if you want someone with a different accent to recognise a rhyme in your accent you need to point out the rhymes so they see what you’re doing. Also, since “filling the box” basically leads to an unbroken wall of text, it’s really hard to grasp the flow and cadence of a line until you’ve read the next one and worked out there the rhymes are and how they fit together, whereas when you mark out rhymes the same way you’d emphasise them verbally, this at least gives the reader a fighting chance.

I do also agree that people start to pull really long multis, but lots of people cap their multis and still stay between 4-6 which is the ideal zone imo.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Here’s how I see it:

People that give an auto-loss to someone for not capping their multis are lazy or dumb, and should give their best effort to find the rhymes.

People that don’t think you should cap your multis are bitchy and inconsiderate. It costs you nothing but it makes the voter’s life a lot easier. Different people have different accents and if you want someone with a different accent to recognise a rhyme in your accent you need to point out the rhymes so they see what you’re doing. Also, since “filling the box” basically leads to an unbroken wall of text, it’s really hard to grasp the flow and cadence of a line until you’ve read the next one and worked out there the rhymes are and how they fit together, whereas when you mark out rhymes the same way you’d emphasise them verbally, this at least gives the reader a fighting chance.

I do also agree that people start to pull really long multis, but lots of people cap their multis and still stay between 4-6 which is the ideal zone imo.

[TKtheGREAT]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

Here’s how I see it:

People that give an auto-loss to someone for not capping their multis are lazy or dumb, and should give their best effort to find the rhymes.

People that don’t think you should cap your multis are bitchy and inconsiderate. It costs you nothing but it makes the voter’s life a lot easier. Different people have different accents and if you want someone with a different accent to recognise a rhyme in your accent you need to point out the rhymes so they see what you’re doing. Also, since “filling the box” basically leads to an unbroken wall of text, it’s really hard to grasp the flow and cadence of a line until you’ve read the next one and worked out there the rhymes are and how they fit together, whereas when you mark out rhymes the same way you’d emphasise them verbally, this at least gives the reader a fighting chance.

I do also agree that people start to pull really long multis, but lots of people cap their multis and still stay between 4-6 which is the ideal zone imo.

I'm not saying your getting an auto loss for not capping, but I will severely reduce the scoring, especially in higher profile battlers... cappin and making sure the multies rhyme is what has been preached...its not about looking for the rhyme pattern...I can figure that a specific word was supposed to be capped..im still deducting points for avoiding the format...the bottom line is people are taught to do it one way, and are now being taught to ignore that for a concept that neither helps the reader or writer.

[TKtheGREAT]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

Here’s how I see it:

People that give an auto-loss to someone for not capping their multis are lazy or dumb, and should give their best effort to find the rhymes.

People that don’t think you should cap your multis are bitchy and inconsiderate. It costs you nothing but it makes the voter’s life a lot easier. Different people have different accents and if you want someone with a different accent to recognise a rhyme in your accent you need to point out the rhymes so they see what you’re doing. Also, since “filling the box” basically leads to an unbroken wall of text, it’s really hard to grasp the flow and cadence of a line until you’ve read the next one and worked out there the rhymes are and how they fit together, whereas when you mark out rhymes the same way you’d emphasise them verbally, this at least gives the reader a fighting chance.

I do also agree that people start to pull really long multis, but lots of people cap their multis and still stay between 4-6 which is the ideal zone imo.

I'm not saying your getting an auto loss for not capping, but I will severely reduce the scoring, especially in higher profile battlers... cappin and making sure the multies rhyme is what has been preached...its not about looking for the rhyme pattern...I can figure that a specific word was supposed to be capped..im still deducting points for avoiding the format...the bottom line is people are taught to do it one way, and are now being taught to ignore that for a concept that neither helps the reader or writer.