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**Godbody** · #11 06-20-2015, 10:38 AM

Ok Rant

Brb, gonna take a picture of some random Ferrari in a garage and tell you guys it's mine, and make up a story about how I bought it

^ See how easy that is? To pull something out of your ass and create a narrative? If I pull out a pic of a random Ferrari in a garage who are you guys to tell me it isn't mine? & That's exactly how mainstream media gets people. If the burden lies on the one making an assertion, then the assertion is that there was a church shooting. So the burden actually lies on the media to prove that there was a shooting, not the skeptics because it is human nature to be skeptical. That's why a lot of people are big on science these days and not so much religion. We want facts not good stories. It's a good story, but aside from a shooter, a couple of crying faces on the TV, and the same redundant stories, there are absolutely no solid facts to convince anyone that anything of this nature happened. Just a damn good narrative.

And that's not to say it didn't happen, I just wanna debate this because I wanna put y'all on to how you should be thinking. Rather than accepting everything spoon fed to you

**Godbody** · 06-20-2015, 10:38 AM

Ok Rant

Brb, gonna take a picture of some random Ferrari in a garage and tell you guys it's mine, and make up a story about how I bought it

^ See how easy that is? To pull something out of your ass and create a narrative? If I pull out a pic of a random Ferrari in a garage who are you guys to tell me it isn't mine? & That's exactly how mainstream media gets people. If the burden lies on the one making an assertion, then the assertion is that there was a church shooting. So the burden actually lies on the media to prove that there was a shooting, not the skeptics because it is human nature to be skeptical. That's why a lot of people are big on science these days and not so much religion. We want facts not good stories. It's a good story, but aside from a shooter, a couple of crying faces on the TV, and the same redundant stories, there are absolutely no solid facts to convince anyone that anything of this nature happened. Just a damn good narrative.

And that's not to say it didn't happen, I just wanna debate this because I wanna put y'all on to how you should be thinking. Rather than accepting everything spoon fed to you

**The Ghost of Freak** · #12 06-20-2015, 11:21 AM

No hate to @Godbody or @oSo Slick , I am fairly certain that the media is not showing dead bodies out of respect for the families....

I mean, I don't know about you, but pictures of the living children at Sandy Hook and elderly in Charleston who passed during extreme acts of violence are preferable to seeing there dead corpses on television.

Plus, the African Methodist Episcopal Church is insanely significant in American Civil Rights history and generally gets almost no news coverage.... why would they choose to highlight one of these congregations now if there was no incident? when they are traditionally marginalized and ignored.

It is sad that traumatic events have to be called into question due to bad media coverage. It's exactly like the 1 week coverage of the Baltimore "Riots" that lasted one day in reality, and were relatively non-violent compared to the way they were covered by the media.

I think major media networks are sensationalist in order to control the masses with fear and paranoia, but that does NOT mean these events did not occur.

Just putting in my thoughts.

This thread is as bad of a sensationalized blanket approach as the same media coverage you are criticizing... How would you go about finding real facts, when all you would do is challenge them unless they meet your bias perceptions?... Pot calling the kettle black. 100.

**The Ghost of Freak** · 06-20-2015, 11:21 AM

No hate to @Godbody or @oSo Slick , I am fairly certain that the media is not showing dead bodies out of respect for the families....

I mean, I don't know about you, but pictures of the living children at Sandy Hook and elderly in Charleston who passed during extreme acts of violence are preferable to seeing there dead corpses on television.

Plus, the African Methodist Episcopal Church is insanely significant in American Civil Rights history and generally gets almost no news coverage.... why would they choose to highlight one of these congregations now if there was no incident? when they are traditionally marginalized and ignored.

It is sad that traumatic events have to be called into question due to bad media coverage. It's exactly like the 1 week coverage of the Baltimore "Riots" that lasted one day in reality, and were relatively non-violent compared to the way they were covered by the media.

I think major media networks are sensationalist in order to control the masses with fear and paranoia, but that does NOT mean these events did not occur.

Just putting in my thoughts.

This thread is as bad of a sensationalized blanket approach as the same media coverage you are criticizing... How would you go about finding real facts, when all you would do is challenge them unless they meet your bias perceptions?... Pot calling the kettle black. 100.

**Subreal** · #13 06-20-2015, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FREEK

No hate to @Godbody or @oSo Slick , I am fairly certain that the media is not showing dead bodies out of respect for the families....

I mean, I don't know about you, but pictures of the living children at Sandy Hook and elderly in Charleston who passed during extreme acts of violence are preferable to seeing there dead corpses on television.

Plus, the African Methodist Episcopal Church is insanely significant in American Civil Rights history and generally gets almost no news coverage.... why would they choose to highlight one of these congregations now if there was no incident? when they are traditionally marginalized and ignored.

It is sad that traumatic events have to be called into question due to bad media coverage. It's exactly like the 1 week coverage of the Baltimore "Riots" that lasted one day in reality, and were relatively non-violent compared to the way they were covered by the media.

I think major media networks are sensationalist in order to control the masses with fear and paranoia, but that does NOT mean these events did not occur.

Just putting in my thoughts.

This thread is as bad of a sensationalized blanket approach as the same media coverage you are criticizing... How would you go about finding real facts, when all you would do is challenge them unless they met your bias perceptions?... Pot calling the kettle black. 100.

What the fuck do kitchen appliances have to do with this

**Subreal** · 06-20-2015, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FREEK

No hate to @Godbody or @oSo Slick , I am fairly certain that the media is not showing dead bodies out of respect for the families....

I mean, I don't know about you, but pictures of the living children at Sandy Hook and elderly in Charleston who passed during extreme acts of violence are preferable to seeing there dead corpses on television.

Plus, the African Methodist Episcopal Church is insanely significant in American Civil Rights history and generally gets almost no news coverage.... why would they choose to highlight one of these congregations now if there was no incident? when they are traditionally marginalized and ignored.

It is sad that traumatic events have to be called into question due to bad media coverage. It's exactly like the 1 week coverage of the Baltimore "Riots" that lasted one day in reality, and were relatively non-violent compared to the way they were covered by the media.

I think major media networks are sensationalist in order to control the masses with fear and paranoia, but that does NOT mean these events did not occur.

Just putting in my thoughts.

This thread is as bad of a sensationalized blanket approach as the same media coverage you are criticizing... How would you go about finding real facts, when all you would do is challenge them unless they met your bias perceptions?... Pot calling the kettle black. 100.

What the fuck do kitchen appliances have to do with this

**Godbody** · #14 06-20-2015, 11:42 AM

Word FREEK. Of course it'd be the right thing to do out of 'respect' not to show the bodies but at the same time we live in a paranoid country & our trust for the government is at an all time low. I remember I saw Saddam Hussein being hung. Where was the respect for him?

But on the flipside, Osama kills thousands of Americans and we don't get to see his body? The most wanted man in the world and we'd want nothing more than to see his dead body for assurance/closure and we couldn't even get that? I'm hearing a lot of stories but I'm not seeing any bodies. Shit doesn't add up when there aren't any bodies being shown in these tragedies. The government shouldn't insult our intelligence like that & should know damn well a lot of us are skeptical. & I'm glad I'm not the only one skeptical about Sandy Hook but that whole Osama shit? You've gotta be fucking kidding me to think you can pull the veil over everyone's eyes like that.

And you're not even making sense with that biased perception talk

Asking for facts and solid evidence is biased perception now? In what world? If that's my biased perception then everyone shares my biased perception, or at least should because common sense says to refute shit unless given irrefutable evidence & facts

**Godbody** · 06-20-2015, 11:42 AM

Word FREEK. Of course it'd be the right thing to do out of 'respect' not to show the bodies but at the same time we live in a paranoid country & our trust for the government is at an all time low. I remember I saw Saddam Hussein being hung. Where was the respect for him?

But on the flipside, Osama kills thousands of Americans and we don't get to see his body? The most wanted man in the world and we'd want nothing more than to see his dead body for assurance/closure and we couldn't even get that? I'm hearing a lot of stories but I'm not seeing any bodies. Shit doesn't add up when there aren't any bodies being shown in these tragedies. The government shouldn't insult our intelligence like that & should know damn well a lot of us are skeptical. & I'm glad I'm not the only one skeptical about Sandy Hook but that whole Osama shit? You've gotta be fucking kidding me to think you can pull the veil over everyone's eyes like that.

And you're not even making sense with that biased perception talk

Asking for facts and solid evidence is biased perception now? In what world? If that's my biased perception then everyone shares my biased perception, or at least should because common sense says to refute shit unless given irrefutable evidence & facts

oSo Slick · #15 06-20-2015, 02:01 PM

Of course they don't want to show the bodies. Just like the real Sandy hook parents cannot even see pictures of their dead children.
No chance to verify your child's death in a shooting sounds very strange..

oSo Slick · 06-20-2015, 02:01 PM

Of course they don't want to show the bodies. Just like the real Sandy hook parents cannot even see pictures of their dead children.
No chance to verify your child's death in a shooting sounds very strange..

**The Ghost of Freak** · #16 06-20-2015, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subreal

What the fuck do kitchen appliances have to do with this

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godbody

Word FREEK. Of course it'd be the right thing to do out of 'respect' not to show the bodies but at the same time we live in a paranoid country & our trust for the government is at an all time low. I remember I saw Saddam Hussein being hung. Where was the respect for him?

But on the flipside, Osama kills thousands of Americans and we don't get to see his body? The most wanted man in the world and we'd want nothing more than to see his dead body for assurance/closure and we couldn't even get that? I'm hearing a lot of stories but I'm not seeing any bodies. Shit doesn't add up when there aren't any bodies being shown in these tragedies. The government shouldn't insult our intelligence like that & should know damn well a lot of us are skeptical. & I'm glad I'm not the only one skeptical about Sandy Hook but that whole Osama shit? You've gotta be fucking kidding me to think you can pull the veil over everyone's eyes like that.

And you're not even making sense with that biased perception talk

Asking for facts and solid evidence is biased perception now? In what world? If that's my biased perception then everyone shares my biased perception, or at least should because common sense says to refute shit unless given irrefutable evidence & facts

Definitely understand your point in principal, but my point is to not believe that it didn't happen just because the media says it did. The media is going to cover real stories and then manipulate it with their bias to have the desired result... that I agree with, as I was suggesting this makes us paranoid and less trusting of the media and government.

I also understand your points about the hypocrisy of public hanging of Sadam and no pictures of Bin Laden.

I think that it is a good thing that you want to question the accuracy of the news, but I think that you need to be careful about swinging to the opposite extreme of not believing anything that is presented.

I am sure if you wanted to attend the funerals in Charleston that you would find yourself the bodies you are looking for... but it wouldn't make you feel better.

I am just saying that you should be above the media as far as the way you present your argument ethically and in the most factual manner... by stating it didn't happen you are both being unethical and denying some very solid evidence that is now publicly available without media manipulation... so I am suggesting to NOT be like the media that is also extreme and sensationalist.

**The Ghost of Freak** · 06-20-2015, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subreal

What the fuck do kitchen appliances have to do with this

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godbody

Word FREEK. Of course it'd be the right thing to do out of 'respect' not to show the bodies but at the same time we live in a paranoid country & our trust for the government is at an all time low. I remember I saw Saddam Hussein being hung. Where was the respect for him?

But on the flipside, Osama kills thousands of Americans and we don't get to see his body? The most wanted man in the world and we'd want nothing more than to see his dead body for assurance/closure and we couldn't even get that? I'm hearing a lot of stories but I'm not seeing any bodies. Shit doesn't add up when there aren't any bodies being shown in these tragedies. The government shouldn't insult our intelligence like that & should know damn well a lot of us are skeptical. & I'm glad I'm not the only one skeptical about Sandy Hook but that whole Osama shit? You've gotta be fucking kidding me to think you can pull the veil over everyone's eyes like that.

And you're not even making sense with that biased perception talk

Asking for facts and solid evidence is biased perception now? In what world? If that's my biased perception then everyone shares my biased perception, or at least should because common sense says to refute shit unless given irrefutable evidence & facts

Definitely understand your point in principal, but my point is to not believe that it didn't happen just because the media says it did. The media is going to cover real stories and then manipulate it with their bias to have the desired result... that I agree with, as I was suggesting this makes us paranoid and less trusting of the media and government.

I also understand your points about the hypocrisy of public hanging of Sadam and no pictures of Bin Laden.

I think that it is a good thing that you want to question the accuracy of the news, but I think that you need to be careful about swinging to the opposite extreme of not believing anything that is presented.

I am sure if you wanted to attend the funerals in Charleston that you would find yourself the bodies you are looking for... but it wouldn't make you feel better.

I am just saying that you should be above the media as far as the way you present your argument ethically and in the most factual manner... by stating it didn't happen you are both being unethical and denying some very solid evidence that is now publicly available without media manipulation... so I am suggesting to NOT be like the media that is also extreme and sensationalist.