tbh

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

This isn't to take shots at the guy. Merely for clarity. But I remember getting into a stupid back and forth with Nic when I was mod because I mentioned something he did wrong (I think it was regarding how he handled extensions and no shows, I can't remember the exact ins and outs) and he got on the defensive about it, so what you're saying is no surprise to me. And it turned out I was right to pull him over.

I'm not saying it's all your fault Nic but Looking back at it you need to take a good portion of the blame for the whole breakdown.

Helping out isn't the site about glory hunting and being over bearing. You got to give and take and not take everything negative as personal. I.E your designs not being up to snuff.

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

Can't be fucked editing to highlight where you address me but I'm Just C.

I can't be excepted to remember everything that goes on here. Sometimes I need a refresher.

Now that you did bells are ringing.

I remember now although not in perfect detail as it was so long ago. What I do remember though is you posting on one of the threads saying the way I was handling deadlines was retarded and calling me some name in the process. My response was asking you to discuss it with me in PMs. You continued to say what I was doing was stupid in the open forum.

I didn't want to discuss the way I was running deadlines in the public forum especially with another moderator that was intent on name calling. Name calling is all well and fine, it's all part of the fun in the forums but not when it's two moderators discussing an issue. That was my problem with you. I would of been more than willing to have had a reasonable discussion with you in private about deadlines.

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

This isn't to take shots at the guy. Merely for clarity. But I remember getting into a stupid back and forth with Nic when I was mod because I mentioned something he did wrong (I think it was regarding how he handled extensions and no shows, I can't remember the exact ins and outs) and he got on the defensive about it, so what you're saying is no surprise to me. And it turned out I was right to pull him over.

I'm not saying it's all your fault Nic but Looking back at it you need to take a good portion of the blame for the whole breakdown.

Helping out isn't the site about glory hunting and being over bearing. You got to give and take and not take everything negative as personal. I.E your designs not being up to snuff.

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

Can't be fucked editing to highlight where you address me but I'm Just C.

I can't be excepted to remember everything that goes on here. Sometimes I need a refresher.

Now that you did bells are ringing.

I remember now although not in perfect detail as it was so long ago. What I do remember though is you posting on one of the threads saying the way I was handling deadlines was retarded and calling me some name in the process. My response was asking you to discuss it with me in PMs. You continued to say what I was doing was stupid in the open forum.

I didn't want to discuss the way I was running deadlines in the public forum especially with another moderator that was intent on name calling. Name calling is all well and fine, it's all part of the fun in the forums but not when it's two moderators discussing an issue. That was my problem with you. I would of been more than willing to have had a reasonable discussion with you in private about deadlines.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

I remember now although not in perfect detail as it was so long ago. What I do remember though is you posting on one of the threads saying the way I was handling deadlines was retarded and calling me some name in the process. My response was asking you to discuss it with me in PMs. You continued to say what I was doing was stupid in the open forum.

I didn't want to discuss the way I was running deadlines in the public forum especially with another moderator that was intent on name calling. Name calling is all well and fine, it's all part of the fun in the forums but not when it's two moderators discussing an issue. That was my problem with you. I would of been more than willing to have had a reasonable discussion with you in private about deadlines.

You should probably dig up that thread. I think you'll find I wasn't getting in your face about it or being obnoxious about it (until you got on the defensive/ offensive how ever you would put it)

If I did I apologize. I don't think I did though. So like I said. Check.

I think it was because you offered NO extension. And I said you should atleast offer some sort of extension, not to eliminate, but to minimize no show. And you were having none of it. You have to show some lee way. Sure people are going to no show regardless but you have to show a little leniency and atleast give people a chance to post.

By doing what you did you cut off your nose to spite your face.

I get it. in principle you should show for set deadlines but for this site and EVERY and I mean EVERY other rap battle/text battle thats just not the case. Thats why we ALL use extensions as a back up.

Caps are to emphasize the FACTS not to belittle. because trust me. I've been around.

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Originally Posted by Godbody

In your world, we should hesitate and criticize ideas as if there's no urgency because the site isn't dying & we have all the time in the world to be picky since LB is 1,000,000 strong and growing and P. Diddy and SMACK are reaching out to us and in fact i think Jay-Z's tryna buy LB because its made so much progress this past year


lol..you wouldn't last a day in a work environment that requires brainstorming and quick action

Not at all. In my world if I put an idea to someone and that person says. That wont work because xy and z I'll take it and their solution on board.

You mention brainstorming yet the act of brainstorming takes MORE than ONE person.

Lol The noble nic thing is a classic case of brainstorming and 1 saying talk to the hand.

Based on what both me and YOU have read in this thread.

You haven't debunked me. You've just reenforced my take on the situation. A lack of co-operation from 1 party taking things personal.

1 key to brainstorming is having a thick skin.

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Originally Posted by Punk

@Indianapolis Jones Mainly the rough idea. I never really KNEW Pugz, I've always worked with NOB and pretty much don't pay attention to past bans he handed out.. But at the same time, Why can't I speak my mind on a forum without getting the hammer..? All I wanted was the site tapes to get a spin :] Not too much to asked for tbh.

I get that. But there's speaking your mind and then there is pestering. And pestering the kind of person where it is impossible not to know the final outcome.

I don't think you should of been banned. But I knew you WOULD.. The way you were going.

Surely you knew this. You're not an idiot.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

I remember now although not in perfect detail as it was so long ago. What I do remember though is you posting on one of the threads saying the way I was handling deadlines was retarded and calling me some name in the process. My response was asking you to discuss it with me in PMs. You continued to say what I was doing was stupid in the open forum.

I didn't want to discuss the way I was running deadlines in the public forum especially with another moderator that was intent on name calling. Name calling is all well and fine, it's all part of the fun in the forums but not when it's two moderators discussing an issue. That was my problem with you. I would of been more than willing to have had a reasonable discussion with you in private about deadlines.

You should probably dig up that thread. I think you'll find I wasn't getting in your face about it or being obnoxious about it (until you got on the defensive/ offensive how ever you would put it)

If I did I apologize. I don't think I did though. So like I said. Check.

I think it was because you offered NO extension. And I said you should atleast offer some sort of extension, not to eliminate, but to minimize no show. And you were having none of it. You have to show some lee way. Sure people are going to no show regardless but you have to show a little leniency and atleast give people a chance to post.

By doing what you did you cut off your nose to spite your face.

I get it. in principle you should show for set deadlines but for this site and EVERY and I mean EVERY other rap battle/text battle thats just not the case. Thats why we ALL use extensions as a back up.

Caps are to emphasize the FACTS not to belittle. because trust me. I've been around.

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Originally Posted by Godbody

In your world, we should hesitate and criticize ideas as if there's no urgency because the site isn't dying & we have all the time in the world to be picky since LB is 1,000,000 strong and growing and P. Diddy and SMACK are reaching out to us and in fact i think Jay-Z's tryna buy LB because its made so much progress this past year


lol..you wouldn't last a day in a work environment that requires brainstorming and quick action

Not at all. In my world if I put an idea to someone and that person says. That wont work because xy and z I'll take it and their solution on board.

You mention brainstorming yet the act of brainstorming takes MORE than ONE person.

Lol The noble nic thing is a classic case of brainstorming and 1 saying talk to the hand.

Based on what both me and YOU have read in this thread.

You haven't debunked me. You've just reenforced my take on the situation. A lack of co-operation from 1 party taking things personal.

1 key to brainstorming is having a thick skin.

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Originally Posted by Punk

@Indianapolis Jones Mainly the rough idea. I never really KNEW Pugz, I've always worked with NOB and pretty much don't pay attention to past bans he handed out.. But at the same time, Why can't I speak my mind on a forum without getting the hammer..? All I wanted was the site tapes to get a spin :] Not too much to asked for tbh.

I get that. But there's speaking your mind and then there is pestering. And pestering the kind of person where it is impossible not to know the final outcome.

I don't think you should of been banned. But I knew you WOULD.. The way you were going.

Surely you knew this. You're not an idiot.

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

You should probably dig up that thread. I think you'll find I wasn't getting in your face about it or being obnoxious about it (until you got on the defensive/ offensive how ever you would put it)

If I did I apologize. I don't think I did though. So like I said. Check.

I think it was because you offered NO extension. And I said you should atleast offer some sort of extension, not to eliminate, but to minimize no show. And you were having none of it. You have to show some lee way. Sure people are going to no show regardless but you have to show a little leniency and atleast give people a chance to post.

By doing what you did you cut off your nose to spite your face.

I get it. in principle you should show for set deadlines but for this site and EVERY and I mean EVERY other rap battle/text battle thats just not the case. Thats why we ALL use extensions as a back up.

Caps are to emphasize the FACTS not to belittle. because trust me. I've been around.

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Not at all. In my world if I put an idea to someone and that person says. That wont work because xy and z I'll take it and their solution on board.

You mention brainstorming yet the act of brainstorming takes MORE than ONE person.

Lol The noble nic thing is a classic case of brainstorming and 1 saying talk to the hand.

Based on what both me and YOU have read in this thread.

You haven't debunked me. You've just reenforced my take on the situation. A lack of co-operation from 1 party taking things personal.

1 key to brainstorming is having a thick skin.

Found the thread. You're right in that I was being too strict with deadlines although you don't get the context with this thread. I had spoken to Fiji via PM about deadlines over and over again. He still no-showed despite us talking about it extensively. Then he posted the thread crying about it and tagging every moderator and administrator under the sun. I should of let him post after the deadline in hindsight, but I have to stress he knew the deal via PMs.

I was then annoyed because Fiji's crying and bitching had effectively got him the result he wanted and thrown the whole PPV into question. I think staff should discuss staff issues privately, and that was the protocol in every other incident hence my bringing up of your situation with Dave. That's when you began the name calling, I didn't engage with you.

Link to thread: http://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143164

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

You should probably dig up that thread. I think you'll find I wasn't getting in your face about it or being obnoxious about it (until you got on the defensive/ offensive how ever you would put it)

If I did I apologize. I don't think I did though. So like I said. Check.

I think it was because you offered NO extension. And I said you should atleast offer some sort of extension, not to eliminate, but to minimize no show. And you were having none of it. You have to show some lee way. Sure people are going to no show regardless but you have to show a little leniency and atleast give people a chance to post.

By doing what you did you cut off your nose to spite your face.

I get it. in principle you should show for set deadlines but for this site and EVERY and I mean EVERY other rap battle/text battle thats just not the case. Thats why we ALL use extensions as a back up.

Caps are to emphasize the FACTS not to belittle. because trust me. I've been around.

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Not at all. In my world if I put an idea to someone and that person says. That wont work because xy and z I'll take it and their solution on board.

You mention brainstorming yet the act of brainstorming takes MORE than ONE person.

Lol The noble nic thing is a classic case of brainstorming and 1 saying talk to the hand.

Based on what both me and YOU have read in this thread.

You haven't debunked me. You've just reenforced my take on the situation. A lack of co-operation from 1 party taking things personal.

1 key to brainstorming is having a thick skin.

Found the thread. You're right in that I was being too strict with deadlines although you don't get the context with this thread. I had spoken to Fiji via PM about deadlines over and over again. He still no-showed despite us talking about it extensively. Then he posted the thread crying about it and tagging every moderator and administrator under the sun. I should of let him post after the deadline in hindsight, but I have to stress he knew the deal via PMs.

I was then annoyed because Fiji's crying and bitching had effectively got him the result he wanted and thrown the whole PPV into question. I think staff should discuss staff issues privately, and that was the protocol in every other incident hence my bringing up of your situation with Dave. That's when you began the name calling, I didn't engage with you.

Link to thread: http://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143164

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

Found the thread. You're right in that I was being too strict with deadlines although you don't get the context with this thread. I had spoken to Fiji via PM about deadlines over and over again. He still no-showed despite us talking about it extensively. Then he posted the thread crying about it and tagging every moderator and administrator under the sun. I should of let him post after the deadline in hindsight, but I have to stress he knew the deal via PMs.

I was then annoyed because Fiji's crying and bitching had effectively got him the result he wanted and thrown the whole PPV into question. I think staff should discuss staff issues privately, and that was the protocol in every other incident hence my bringing up of your situation with Dave. That's when you began the name calling, I didn't engage with you.

Link to thread: http://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143164

I haven't clicked the link yet to read through but yeah. Now you mention it I remember Fiji being the focal point for why it all came to ahead.

My point was and still is. regardless of Fijis involvement, as a 1 off. (I'm guessing I wasn't INITIALLY being a dick since you didn't bring me to task ) Is that if a mod tells you/informs you of something. You should atleast take it on board and not be so jumpy about it. Co-operation isn't a 1 way street. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride and take the hit on the chin (for lack of a better term. Thats just what it seemed like at the time and seems like the case with Noble telling you your designs weren't up to snuff, atleast for what he had in mind)

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Originally Posted by Insuppressible

i gave my two cents in the first couple of pages

Fair enough. I been loner drinking at home on a Friday night like a lame so this is the only post of yours that stuck out in the haze. came across as trollish and dismissive.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

Found the thread. You're right in that I was being too strict with deadlines although you don't get the context with this thread. I had spoken to Fiji via PM about deadlines over and over again. He still no-showed despite us talking about it extensively. Then he posted the thread crying about it and tagging every moderator and administrator under the sun. I should of let him post after the deadline in hindsight, but I have to stress he knew the deal via PMs.

I was then annoyed because Fiji's crying and bitching had effectively got him the result he wanted and thrown the whole PPV into question. I think staff should discuss staff issues privately, and that was the protocol in every other incident hence my bringing up of your situation with Dave. That's when you began the name calling, I didn't engage with you.

Link to thread: http://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143164

I haven't clicked the link yet to read through but yeah. Now you mention it I remember Fiji being the focal point for why it all came to ahead.

My point was and still is. regardless of Fijis involvement, as a 1 off. (I'm guessing I wasn't INITIALLY being a dick since you didn't bring me to task ) Is that if a mod tells you/informs you of something. You should atleast take it on board and not be so jumpy about it. Co-operation isn't a 1 way street. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride and take the hit on the chin (for lack of a better term. Thats just what it seemed like at the time and seems like the case with Noble telling you your designs weren't up to snuff, atleast for what he had in mind)

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Originally Posted by Insuppressible

i gave my two cents in the first couple of pages

Fair enough. I been loner drinking at home on a Friday night like a lame so this is the only post of yours that stuck out in the haze. came across as trollish and dismissive.

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

I haven't clicked the link yet to read through but yeah. Now you mention it I remember Fiji being the focal point for why it all came to ahead.

My point was and still is. regardless of Fijis involvement, as a 1 off. (I'm guessing I wasn't INITIALLY being a dick since you didn't bring me to task ) Is that if a mod tells you/informs you of something. You should atleast take it on board and not be so jumpy about it. Co-operation isn't a 1 way street. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride and take the hit on the chin (for lack of a better term. Thats just what it seemed like at the time and seems like the case with Noble telling you your designs weren't up to snuff, atleast for what he had in mind)

I feel like you're zoning in on a minor point though with the designs. I posted a long post when we started this conversation outlining dozens of reasons. As I said in an earlier post for all I cared NOBLE could have designed the awards himself. I suggested that the awards system be taken advantage of more and that awards were proactively given out. NOBLE insisted that the awards system as it is now was working fine but said he wouldn't be opposed to adding in some more awards for meeting a certain number of posts '1000 posts' etc. Which I think actually got implemented in the end but my initial plans were far more extensive than that.

At a time when people wanted to decrease the amount of user titles, awards could of been used as an alternative and been made to have been seen as valuable to users. Instead we got what we have now, a few discrete awards that people still don't care about. This comes back to my question to NOBLE which was what has he done as an administrator since my absence. My ideas weren't seen as worthy so what was the alternative? What have we been given in their place....

Originally Posted by Indianapolis Jones

I haven't clicked the link yet to read through but yeah. Now you mention it I remember Fiji being the focal point for why it all came to ahead.

My point was and still is. regardless of Fijis involvement, as a 1 off. (I'm guessing I wasn't INITIALLY being a dick since you didn't bring me to task ) Is that if a mod tells you/informs you of something. You should atleast take it on board and not be so jumpy about it. Co-operation isn't a 1 way street. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride and take the hit on the chin (for lack of a better term. Thats just what it seemed like at the time and seems like the case with Noble telling you your designs weren't up to snuff, atleast for what he had in mind)

I feel like you're zoning in on a minor point though with the designs. I posted a long post when we started this conversation outlining dozens of reasons. As I said in an earlier post for all I cared NOBLE could have designed the awards himself. I suggested that the awards system be taken advantage of more and that awards were proactively given out. NOBLE insisted that the awards system as it is now was working fine but said he wouldn't be opposed to adding in some more awards for meeting a certain number of posts '1000 posts' etc. Which I think actually got implemented in the end but my initial plans were far more extensive than that.

At a time when people wanted to decrease the amount of user titles, awards could of been used as an alternative and been made to have been seen as valuable to users. Instead we got what we have now, a few discrete awards that people still don't care about. This comes back to my question to NOBLE which was what has he done as an administrator since my absence. My ideas weren't seen as worthy so what was the alternative? What have we been given in their place....

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

I feel like you're zoning in on a minor point though with the designs. I posted a long post when we started this conversation outlining dozens of reasons. As I said in an earlier post for all I cared NOBLE could have designed the awards himself. I suggested that the awards system be taken advantage of more and that awards were proactively given out. NOBLE insisted that the awards system as it is now was working fine but said he wouldn't be opposed to adding in some more awards for meeting a certain number of posts '1000 posts' etc. Which I think actually got implemented in the end but my initial plans were far more extensive than that.

At a time when people wanted to decrease the amount of user titles, awards could of been used as an alternative and been made to have been seen as valuable to users. Instead we got what we have now, a few discrete awards that people still don't care about. This comes back to my question to NOBLE which was what has he done as an administrator since my absence. My ideas weren't seen as worthy so what was the alternative? What have we been given in their place....

First you suggest I'm responsible for the drop in activity because I wasn't supportive of competitions and got rid of incentives like titles, etc. Now you're saying people themselves at the time wanted to decrease the amount of titles and awards could have been use to replace them but....what? You're not making much sense fam, and you're contradicting yourself. People DID want to get rid of titles and I DID replace them with awards. Does anyone recall Mafia Winner and Forum Tourney Winner awards? Across the board, from Topicals to Exclusive and FVC, no one has added more awards than me in the last few years. I've been one of the biggest advocate of utilizing the award system more. Yes, I might have rejected some of your award ideas because I didn't feel the Exclusive Arena had been active enough at that point to merit the creation of as many awards as you wanted. But I did agree that we should create some and I did implement your idea of voting awards (which wasn't your idea alone as X-Calibur and others had suggested the same thing) and I let staff know that it was your idea when I put it across to them for consideration. You wanted and asked to hand out awards and be the awards mod which I rejected and said you should only hand out Exclusive awards since you are the Exclusive mod and other mods will handle the rest of the awards. Is that what you mean by "NOBLE insisted that the awards system as it is now was working fine?" This crying over not having your way is petty, and trying to blame the drop in activity on my not having adopted them to the letter is ridiculous. You're giving yourself way too much credit mate. Why don't you list all these miracle ideas of yours which would have averted ultimate calamity exactly as you presented them to me and let's all examine not only which ones I adopted and rejected but also how my not having adopted them to the letter has resulted in the drop in activity?

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

I feel like you're zoning in on a minor point though with the designs. I posted a long post when we started this conversation outlining dozens of reasons. As I said in an earlier post for all I cared NOBLE could have designed the awards himself. I suggested that the awards system be taken advantage of more and that awards were proactively given out. NOBLE insisted that the awards system as it is now was working fine but said he wouldn't be opposed to adding in some more awards for meeting a certain number of posts '1000 posts' etc. Which I think actually got implemented in the end but my initial plans were far more extensive than that.

At a time when people wanted to decrease the amount of user titles, awards could of been used as an alternative and been made to have been seen as valuable to users. Instead we got what we have now, a few discrete awards that people still don't care about. This comes back to my question to NOBLE which was what has he done as an administrator since my absence. My ideas weren't seen as worthy so what was the alternative? What have we been given in their place....

First you suggest I'm responsible for the drop in activity because I wasn't supportive of competitions and got rid of incentives like titles, etc. Now you're saying people themselves at the time wanted to decrease the amount of titles and awards could have been use to replace them but....what? You're not making much sense fam, and you're contradicting yourself. People DID want to get rid of titles and I DID replace them with awards. Does anyone recall Mafia Winner and Forum Tourney Winner awards? Across the board, from Topicals to Exclusive and FVC, no one has added more awards than me in the last few years. I've been one of the biggest advocate of utilizing the award system more. Yes, I might have rejected some of your award ideas because I didn't feel the Exclusive Arena had been active enough at that point to merit the creation of as many awards as you wanted. But I did agree that we should create some and I did implement your idea of voting awards (which wasn't your idea alone as X-Calibur and others had suggested the same thing) and I let staff know that it was your idea when I put it across to them for consideration. You wanted and asked to hand out awards and be the awards mod which I rejected and said you should only hand out Exclusive awards since you are the Exclusive mod and other mods will handle the rest of the awards. Is that what you mean by "NOBLE insisted that the awards system as it is now was working fine?" This crying over not having your way is petty, and trying to blame the drop in activity on my not having adopted them to the letter is ridiculous. You're giving yourself way too much credit mate. Why don't you list all these miracle ideas of yours which would have averted ultimate calamity exactly as you presented them to me and let's all examine not only which ones I adopted and rejected but also how my not having adopted them to the letter has resulted in the drop in activity?

Originally Posted by NOBLE

First you suggest I'm responsible for the drop in activity because I wasn't supportive of competitions and got rid of incentives like titles, etc. Now you're saying people themselves at the time wanted to decrease the amount of titles and awards could have been use to replace them but....what? You're not making much sense fam, and you're contradicting yourself. People DID want to get rid of titles and I DID replace them with awards. Does anyone recall Mafia Winner and Forum Tourney Winner awards? Across the board, from Topicals to Exclusive and FVC, no one has added more awards than me in the last few years. I've been one of the biggest advocate of utilizing the award system more. Yes, I might have rejected some of your award ideas because I didn't feel the Exclusive Arena had been active enough at that point to merit the creation of as many awards as you wanted. But I did agree that we should create some and I did implement your idea of voting awards (which wasn't your idea alone as X-Calibur and others had suggested the same thing) and I let staff know that it was your idea when I put it across to them for consideration. You wanted and asked to hand out awards and be the awards mod which I rejected and said you should only hand out Exclusive awards since you are the Exclusive mod and other mods will handle the rest of the awards. Is that what you mean by "NOBLE insisted that the awards system as it is now was working fine?" This crying over not having your way is petty, and trying to blame the drop in activity on my not having adopted them to the letter is ridiculous. You're giving yourself way too much credit mate. Why don't you list all these miracle ideas of yours which would have averted ultimate calamity exactly as you presented them to me and let's all examine not only which ones I adopted and rejected but also how my not having adopted them to the letter has resulted in the drop in activity?

Yes, when the activity drops the responsibility falls to two people. Yourself and Pugz. For some reason this site believes it can get away with blaming users for a lack of activity. If I was lacking business I wouldn't blame my clients for not booking in regularly. That's YOUR problem, not ours.

Yes, at the time people wanted a reduction in user titles and you were more than happy to facilitate this. Throwing in two new awards is not adequate replacement of user titles. That's lazy. You failed to build any value to the awards system. I didn't want to be an awards moderator, I said there is a need for one and I don't mind doing it. If you had chosen someone else to do it I wouldn't of been offended, the main point is there was there was a need for one. Awards were not handed out proactively, people had to request them and I felt that handing them out proactively would of been a good first step to building value. A lot of users don't even post on the forums, they will have paid very little attention to the awards. You chose not to implement this idea of an awards moderator to hand them out proactively, you failed to build any value (it would of taken more than just an award moderator to do this) and guess what? People still don't give a fuck about awards.

You're right you didn't want more awards for the exclusive section. I was trying to build up a section and I was refused user titles, refused awards and my PPV was criticized and dragged down at the very first hurdle. You said earlier you were supportive? How do you justify that? It sounds to me like you had your heart set on removing the section at the time. An action you didn't even end up taking which doesn't surprise me at all. Change is not welcome here.

My ideas were not miracles that would save the site, but they were a step in the right direction. As @Godbody said earlier, tons of people have had good ideas on this site. You are an administrator, how many of those ideas have you implemented? Were they all bad ideas? You chose not to implement my ideas and that's fine, if you had a better plan. You've dodged my question though what have you done? What was your better plan? As a user I'm not seeing good results here.

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Originally Posted by V3numb

im still saltyt about my 2x Mafia winner Title turning into awards.. : /

Exactly, that's because awards have no value. If people valued the awards, we would all think your mafia awards were dope.

Originally Posted by Mindless

@Student, @Indianapolis Jones, @WHOeverelsewasmodwheniwasdoingshitaroundhere

Didn't I come up with doing the awards system too? I seem to remember having to add a bunch of shit to that modules settings and creating a ton of rewards after it got added in and spending hours fucking around with it. Anybody to confirm? #ItdoesntmatterbutImprettysureIdidthataswell. kek

Great, I'm not the first to suggest this idea. Why has it been suggested by so many of us but not built up properly?

Originally Posted by NOBLE

First you suggest I'm responsible for the drop in activity because I wasn't supportive of competitions and got rid of incentives like titles, etc. Now you're saying people themselves at the time wanted to decrease the amount of titles and awards could have been use to replace them but....what? You're not making much sense fam, and you're contradicting yourself. People DID want to get rid of titles and I DID replace them with awards. Does anyone recall Mafia Winner and Forum Tourney Winner awards? Across the board, from Topicals to Exclusive and FVC, no one has added more awards than me in the last few years. I've been one of the biggest advocate of utilizing the award system more. Yes, I might have rejected some of your award ideas because I didn't feel the Exclusive Arena had been active enough at that point to merit the creation of as many awards as you wanted. But I did agree that we should create some and I did implement your idea of voting awards (which wasn't your idea alone as X-Calibur and others had suggested the same thing) and I let staff know that it was your idea when I put it across to them for consideration. You wanted and asked to hand out awards and be the awards mod which I rejected and said you should only hand out Exclusive awards since you are the Exclusive mod and other mods will handle the rest of the awards. Is that what you mean by "NOBLE insisted that the awards system as it is now was working fine?" This crying over not having your way is petty, and trying to blame the drop in activity on my not having adopted them to the letter is ridiculous. You're giving yourself way too much credit mate. Why don't you list all these miracle ideas of yours which would have averted ultimate calamity exactly as you presented them to me and let's all examine not only which ones I adopted and rejected but also how my not having adopted them to the letter has resulted in the drop in activity?

Yes, when the activity drops the responsibility falls to two people. Yourself and Pugz. For some reason this site believes it can get away with blaming users for a lack of activity. If I was lacking business I wouldn't blame my clients for not booking in regularly. That's YOUR problem, not ours.

Yes, at the time people wanted a reduction in user titles and you were more than happy to facilitate this. Throwing in two new awards is not adequate replacement of user titles. That's lazy. You failed to build any value to the awards system. I didn't want to be an awards moderator, I said there is a need for one and I don't mind doing it. If you had chosen someone else to do it I wouldn't of been offended, the main point is there was there was a need for one. Awards were not handed out proactively, people had to request them and I felt that handing them out proactively would of been a good first step to building value. A lot of users don't even post on the forums, they will have paid very little attention to the awards. You chose not to implement this idea of an awards moderator to hand them out proactively, you failed to build any value (it would of taken more than just an award moderator to do this) and guess what? People still don't give a fuck about awards.

You're right you didn't want more awards for the exclusive section. I was trying to build up a section and I was refused user titles, refused awards and my PPV was criticized and dragged down at the very first hurdle. You said earlier you were supportive? How do you justify that? It sounds to me like you had your heart set on removing the section at the time. An action you didn't even end up taking which doesn't surprise me at all. Change is not welcome here.

My ideas were not miracles that would save the site, but they were a step in the right direction. As @Godbody said earlier, tons of people have had good ideas on this site. You are an administrator, how many of those ideas have you implemented? Were they all bad ideas? You chose not to implement my ideas and that's fine, if you had a better plan. You've dodged my question though what have you done? What was your better plan? As a user I'm not seeing good results here.

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Originally Posted by V3numb

im still saltyt about my 2x Mafia winner Title turning into awards.. : /

Exactly, that's because awards have no value. If people valued the awards, we would all think your mafia awards were dope.

Originally Posted by Mindless

@Student, @Indianapolis Jones, @WHOeverelsewasmodwheniwasdoingshitaroundhere

Didn't I come up with doing the awards system too? I seem to remember having to add a bunch of shit to that modules settings and creating a ton of rewards after it got added in and spending hours fucking around with it. Anybody to confirm? #ItdoesntmatterbutImprettysureIdidthataswell. kek

Great, I'm not the first to suggest this idea. Why has it been suggested by so many of us but not built up properly?