Should The Burma Be Banned In Your Country?

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Jason

im not understanding the confusion here

if you can only see the persons eyes at security checks whats stopping Osama Bin Laden himself from plucking his eyebrows, putting on some eyeliner and hopping on a plane?

well besides the fact that hes a corpse

you get it tho

If your countries method of determining if someone is dangerous or wanted relies on "what do they look like", your problems are probably bigger than just terrorism.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Jason

im not understanding the confusion here

if you can only see the persons eyes at security checks whats stopping Osama Bin Laden himself from plucking his eyebrows, putting on some eyeliner and hopping on a plane?

well besides the fact that hes a corpse

you get it tho

If your countries method of determining if someone is dangerous or wanted relies on "what do they look like", your problems are probably bigger than just terrorism.

[NOBLE]

My only problem with it is the preferential treatment based on religion . If i can't wear a ninja mask somewhere or I have to take my hat off due to security because it's a government building or whatever, then someone else shouldn't be allowed to wear the burqa there, whether it's religious or not . However, I'm against banning it all across the board, only in places where other forms of concealment are prohibited . There are also privacy and right to anonymity to be considered . People should have a right to remain anonymous in public, even if it includes hiding their face.

[NOBLE]

My only problem with it is the preferential treatment based on religion . If i can't wear a ninja mask somewhere or I have to take my hat off due to security because it's a government building or whatever, then someone else shouldn't be allowed to wear the burqa there, whether it's religious or not . However, I'm against banning it all across the board, only in places where other forms of concealment are prohibited . There are also privacy and right to anonymity to be considered . People should have a right to remain anonymous in public, even if it includes hiding their face.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Jason

lol it has nothing to do with what the person looks like
it has everything to do with the fact that the person might not actually be the person on the passport they are showing security.

if we dont have to show our faces whats stopping you from giving your passport to a known terrorist and letting him fly first class from "wherever" to "wherever" .. something that would NEVER be acceptable otherwise

hiding your face opens the door for limitless security breaches

No, it really doesn't. The security around the passport system is strong enough that shouldn't be an issue.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I can't think of a single instance of someone getting through airport security because is the burqa. Seems to me like this whole anti burqa movement is less about security and more about Islam.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Jason

lol it has nothing to do with what the person looks like
it has everything to do with the fact that the person might not actually be the person on the passport they are showing security.

if we dont have to show our faces whats stopping you from giving your passport to a known terrorist and letting him fly first class from "wherever" to "wherever" .. something that would NEVER be acceptable otherwise

hiding your face opens the door for limitless security breaches

No, it really doesn't. The security around the passport system is strong enough that shouldn't be an issue.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I can't think of a single instance of someone getting through airport security because is the burqa. Seems to me like this whole anti burqa movement is less about security and more about Islam.

[Louie Dawgs]

Break down to me a scenario when this could happen.

[Louie Dawgs]

Break down to me a scenario when this could happen.

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

No, it really doesn't. The security around the passport system is strong enough that shouldn't be an issue.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I can't think of a single instance of someone getting through airport security because is the burqa. Seems to me like this whole anti burqa movement is less about security and more about Islam.

No, no. Not Islam... Terrorism.



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Originally Posted by Jason

There is a terrorist on the no fly list.. lets call him Mike.. Mike lives in Australia
Mike has a friend named Lilly with a clean passport
he trims his brows like a woman and gets on a plane to America with her passport
he gets into America which would have never been possible if he had to show his face

Because they would /never/ possibly do a security check in a US airport.

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

No, it really doesn't. The security around the passport system is strong enough that shouldn't be an issue.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I can't think of a single instance of someone getting through airport security because is the burqa. Seems to me like this whole anti burqa movement is less about security and more about Islam.

No, no. Not Islam... Terrorism.



---------- Post added at 10:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:14 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Jason

There is a terrorist on the no fly list.. lets call him Mike.. Mike lives in Australia
Mike has a friend named Lilly with a clean passport
he trims his brows like a woman and gets on a plane to America with her passport
he gets into America which would have never been possible if he had to show his face

Because they would /never/ possibly do a security check in a US airport.

Originally Posted by Jason

the whole point is that they are advocating not to remove the veil under any circumstances. if this was allowed then how could they ever discover that Lilly is not Lilly but rather a handsome young Aussie man?

Height, and weight differences?

Originally Posted by Jason

the whole point is that they are advocating not to remove the veil under any circumstances. if this was allowed then how could they ever discover that Lilly is not Lilly but rather a handsome young Aussie man?

Height, and weight differences?

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Jason

There is a terrorist on the no fly list.. lets call him Mike.. Mike lives in Australia
Mike has a friend named Lilly with a clean passport
he trims his brows like a woman and gets on a plane to America with her passport
he gets into America which would have never been possible if he had to show his face

As a foreign national they would be fingerprinted both at the us embassy for a visa, and upon entry to the United states. So unless Mike had the same fingerprints as Lisa, this doesn't work. Try again.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Jason

There is a terrorist on the no fly list.. lets call him Mike.. Mike lives in Australia
Mike has a friend named Lilly with a clean passport
he trims his brows like a woman and gets on a plane to America with her passport
he gets into America which would have never been possible if he had to show his face

As a foreign national they would be fingerprinted both at the us embassy for a visa, and upon entry to the United states. So unless Mike had the same fingerprints as Lisa, this doesn't work. Try again.

[Student]

I HIGHLY Doubt We'd Ever See Someone With A Burqa In This Country.

[Student]

I HIGHLY Doubt We'd Ever See Someone With A Burqa In This Country.

[Louie Dawgs]

Even visa waiver countries get fingerprinted.

And they could tell Mike wasnt Lisa because he probably wouldn't sound like a chick.

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I'll throw out there that I traveled on a visa waiver passport and was fingerprinted on returning to the United States.

[Louie Dawgs]

Even visa waiver countries get fingerprinted.

And they could tell Mike wasnt Lisa because he probably wouldn't sound like a chick.

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I'll throw out there that I traveled on a visa waiver passport and was fingerprinted on returning to the United States.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Student

I HIGHLY Doubt We'd Ever See Someone With A Burqa In This Country.

I've seen it, but point well taken. We often call the Niqab a ''Burqa'' and misuse the other terms as well.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Student

I HIGHLY Doubt We'd Ever See Someone With A Burqa In This Country.

I've seen it, but point well taken. We often call the Niqab a ''Burqa'' and misuse the other terms as well.