Should Mods VP be greater than 4?

[IV]

Despite it sounding like I was hating at the beginning, mods NEED higher VP for the EXACT REASONS Askari has outlined.

Their votes need to be weighed, not all battles get checked, a bunch of bullshit voters that have gone unseen this far that could still have 2 VP. If a mod drop a fair vote at the beginning of the battle it cancels out the bullshit votes about to happen.

What they need to really concentrate on is how they're going to apply VP in the tournaments. At the moment mods have very little say on who actually wins, and the votes are anonymous so people can't even let a mod know about shady voting.

[IV]

Despite it sounding like I was hating at the beginning, mods NEED higher VP for the EXACT REASONS Askari has outlined.

Their votes need to be weighed, not all battles get checked, a bunch of bullshit voters that have gone unseen this far that could still have 2 VP. If a mod drop a fair vote at the beginning of the battle it cancels out the bullshit votes about to happen.

What they need to really concentrate on is how they're going to apply VP in the tournaments. At the moment mods have very little say on who actually wins, and the votes are anonymous so people can't even let a mod know about shady voting.

Originally Posted by Askari

By that last statement everyone should have the same VP; if that was the case then mods would have next to no power in fixing battle, we can't just overturn a judgement because we think it's clearly wrong without evidence of fuckery or a clear 10-1 idiot vote or w/e, all we can do is drop our weighted vote to bring some balance and ensure a fair outcome. Us dropping our vote is a stop guard to ensure a fair battle.

I agree, however, that not all mods are as qualified voters as others. Mod VP should not be exempt from review. Maybe certain mods - champions, FVC, active battlers within the last year - should hold the 6VP as they clearly have a more technical grasp and have proved deserving of a higher VP; if there are any text battles that require mod vote/intervention these mods are first point of call.

Just spit balling, but yeah, I concede you do have a point there.

So the reason a mod should have higher VP, is to single handedly decide the outcome of a battle they feel is "wrong"? In that case, why isn't everyones VP the same? You guys cant get at EVERY robbery.

I dont feel anyone should be bumped up or anything based on status. Champions, staff etc (which FVC being an obvious exception). I think the only real point is the "active battlers within the last year". People who show they can vote educatedly, using expos which are helpful and show what they know their shit. Also they'd have to vote a lot.

Originally Posted by Askari

By that last statement everyone should have the same VP; if that was the case then mods would have next to no power in fixing battle, we can't just overturn a judgement because we think it's clearly wrong without evidence of fuckery or a clear 10-1 idiot vote or w/e, all we can do is drop our weighted vote to bring some balance and ensure a fair outcome. Us dropping our vote is a stop guard to ensure a fair battle.

I agree, however, that not all mods are as qualified voters as others. Mod VP should not be exempt from review. Maybe certain mods - champions, FVC, active battlers within the last year - should hold the 6VP as they clearly have a more technical grasp and have proved deserving of a higher VP; if there are any text battles that require mod vote/intervention these mods are first point of call.

Just spit balling, but yeah, I concede you do have a point there.

So the reason a mod should have higher VP, is to single handedly decide the outcome of a battle they feel is "wrong"? In that case, why isn't everyones VP the same? You guys cant get at EVERY robbery.

I dont feel anyone should be bumped up or anything based on status. Champions, staff etc (which FVC being an obvious exception). I think the only real point is the "active battlers within the last year". People who show they can vote educatedly, using expos which are helpful and show what they know their shit. Also they'd have to vote a lot.

[Askari]

@Dave they can correct battles that've received complaints or that are clearly wrong. You, me, any respectable member of this site can judge when a battle's outcome clearly does not reflect verses. If mods never had a higher VP the job would simply banning/giving infractions to people when clear evidence is presented; battles would subsequently be out of our control based on questionable voting and many battles would wind up with ridiculous outcomes because we can't just delete or lower VP's on a hunch; only weigh in with our fair and educated opinion.

I stand by my original view; although I can see you do have a point, I personally feel like mods need to have higher VP. Mod position is essentially FVC but with wider influence, a position which respected staff and members alike feel mods have earned. If they don't deserve a higher VP then IMO they aren't considered responsible or fair enough to merit a mod post. We're supposed to be entirely impartial, experienced and qualified in all aspects of our respective fields of the site, that's why up until now our votes have been weighted this much and never proven problematic before.

In all honesty I don't understand why it's become such a central and debated topic; it's been the format for years now and there have never been issues previous. Excuse me if that seems ignorant.

[Askari]

@Dave they can correct battles that've received complaints or that are clearly wrong. You, me, any respectable member of this site can judge when a battle's outcome clearly does not reflect verses. If mods never had a higher VP the job would simply banning/giving infractions to people when clear evidence is presented; battles would subsequently be out of our control based on questionable voting and many battles would wind up with ridiculous outcomes because we can't just delete or lower VP's on a hunch; only weigh in with our fair and educated opinion.

I stand by my original view; although I can see you do have a point, I personally feel like mods need to have higher VP. Mod position is essentially FVC but with wider influence, a position which respected staff and members alike feel mods have earned. If they don't deserve a higher VP then IMO they aren't considered responsible or fair enough to merit a mod post. We're supposed to be entirely impartial, experienced and qualified in all aspects of our respective fields of the site, that's why up until now our votes have been weighted this much and never proven problematic before.

In all honesty I don't understand why it's become such a central and debated topic; it's been the format for years now and there have never been issues previous. Excuse me if that seems ignorant.

[Apollyon]

I'm bout to go through all the open text battles just to see how many mod votes there are..

[Apollyon]

I'm bout to go through all the open text battles just to see how many mod votes there are..

[Askari]

Originally Posted by Phenomonon

I'm bout to go through all the open text battles just to see how many mod votes there are..

We vote on any battle we're asked to, just like FVC.

[Askari]

Originally Posted by Phenomonon

I'm bout to go through all the open text battles just to see how many mod votes there are..

We vote on any battle we're asked to, just like FVC.

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by Askari

We vote on any battle we're asked to, just like FVC.

Yall need a thread of your own so people can drop links in that bitch and drop your vote on all the RD 3 battles when they open.. lol

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by Askari

We vote on any battle we're asked to, just like FVC.

Yall need a thread of your own so people can drop links in that bitch and drop your vote on all the RD 3 battles when they open.. lol

[RULE]

Originally Posted by Phenomonon

Yall need a thread of your own so people can drop links in that bitch and drop your vote on all the RD 3 battles when they open.. lol

We do. Its called a inbox.

[RULE]

Originally Posted by Phenomonon

Yall need a thread of your own so people can drop links in that bitch and drop your vote on all the RD 3 battles when they open.. lol

We do. Its called a inbox.

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by RULE

We do. Its called a inbox.

No not a thread in your inbox, a thread in the forums.. And i see you voted on the poll since there is a total of 7 votes for yes ...

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by RULE

We do. Its called a inbox.

No not a thread in your inbox, a thread in the forums.. And i see you voted on the poll since there is a total of 7 votes for yes ...

[TheAnonP]

they need to make my VP 8...it's a fact that whoever i vote for wins

[TheAnonP]

they need to make my VP 8...it's a fact that whoever i vote for wins

To be fair Ask, I don't know the shit with changing battles etc so I won't really comment on it. I imagine if you really needed a battle to be fixed, you could quicky get at one or two people on chat.

And to be honest, I vote on near enough anything I'm asked to. I'll generally tell the person "Don't send links to anyone else. It's seen as asking someone to vote for you but it's against the rules. I'll tell you if you suck, so don't worry about me ". Are people allowed to ask FVC members to vote in chat or anything like that?

To be fair Ask, I don't know the shit with changing battles etc so I won't really comment on it. I imagine if you really needed a battle to be fixed, you could quicky get at one or two people on chat.

And to be honest, I vote on near enough anything I'm asked to. I'll generally tell the person "Don't send links to anyone else. It's seen as asking someone to vote for you but it's against the rules. I'll tell you if you suck, so don't worry about me ". Are people allowed to ask FVC members to vote in chat or anything like that?