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Unread 01-24-2014, 07:22 PM
Babylon Babylon is on FIRE! 5+ wins in a row!
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What a fuckin scumbag though. To blatantly lie and then swear on his own mothers grave. Either his mom ain't really dead, or his family means fuck all to him. Can you imagine knowingly lying and putting that on family through gritted teeth. Fuckin snake man, the material that could be used for a new diss track could be one of the grittiest ever.
Nah, the dude isn't worth a diss track after this shit.

edit: YOOO HE REMOVED THE TRACK! LMAOOOOOOOO.
edit: Final was nice on that shit though.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 07:22 PM   #1
 
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What a fuckin scumbag though. To blatantly lie and then swear on his own mothers grave. Either his mom ain't really dead, or his family means fuck all to him. Can you imagine knowingly lying and putting that on family through gritted teeth. Fuckin snake man, the material that could be used for a new diss track could be one of the grittiest ever.
Nah, the dude isn't worth a diss track after this shit.

edit: YOOO HE REMOVED THE TRACK! LMAOOOOOOOO.
edit: Final was nice on that shit though.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 07:27 PM
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It was final who uploaded it so he probably deleted it to chop monis part off and repost it or somethin. Final was ok but if someone played this for me outside this site,being unbiased, I wouldn't even know he was on it cause it wouldn't play for more than 30 seconds
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Unread 01-24-2014, 07:27 PM   #2
 
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It was final who uploaded it so he probably deleted it to chop monis part off and repost it or somethin. Final was ok but if someone played this for me outside this site,being unbiased, I wouldn't even know he was on it cause it wouldn't play for more than 30 seconds
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Unread 01-25-2014, 11:43 AM
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It was final who uploaded it so he probably deleted it to chop monis part off and repost it or somethin. Final was ok but if someone played this for me outside this site,being unbiased, I wouldn't even know he was on it cause it wouldn't play for more than 30 seconds
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Unread 01-25-2014, 11:43 AM   #3
 
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It was final who uploaded it so he probably deleted it to chop monis part off and repost it or somethin. Final was ok but if someone played this for me outside this site,being unbiased, I wouldn't even know he was on it cause it wouldn't play for more than 30 seconds
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Unread 01-24-2014, 07:42 PM
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I got banned one time for Submitting a Tumble weed as my Entry into a New Letsbeef Mixtape cover contest becus the site was dead as hell at that time.....lol I got banned a week and had to eat that shit I think he a cool dude but maybe the ban should be just a week?
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I got banned one time for Submitting a Tumble weed as my Entry into a New Letsbeef Mixtape cover contest becus the site was dead as hell at that time.....lol I got banned a week and had to eat that shit I think he a cool dude but maybe the ban should be just a week?
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Unread 01-24-2014, 08:54 PM
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I got banned one time for Submitting a Tumble weed as my Entry into a New Letsbeef Mixtape cover contest becus the site was dead as hell at that time.....lol I got banned a week and had to eat that shit I think he a cool dude but maybe the ban should be just a week?
After what's transpired here, you still think he's a cool dude? Cool dudes don't resort to cyber fuckery of this magnitude
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I got banned one time for Submitting a Tumble weed as my Entry into a New Letsbeef Mixtape cover contest becus the site was dead as hell at that time.....lol I got banned a week and had to eat that shit I think he a cool dude but maybe the ban should be just a week?
After what's transpired here, you still think he's a cool dude? Cool dudes don't resort to cyber fuckery of this magnitude
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Unread 01-24-2014, 08:36 PM
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Unread 01-24-2014, 08:42 PM
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Unread 01-24-2014, 08:53 PM
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He's not gone forever. If 2 weeks ain't good enough for biting damn there 8 seconds then you niggas is strange af.
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He's not gone forever. If 2 weeks ain't good enough for biting damn there 8 seconds then you niggas is strange af.
 
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Unread 01-24-2014, 09:06 PM
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Lol Yeah just because he bit doesnt make him any less cool In my book...........He seemed cool when he chatted I know killers doin life that are cool as fuck...........I don't condone biting tho.....and I did listen and he did bite 3 bars bar for bar but that doesnt make me change my opinion if a dude is cool or not...his actions may not have been cool 2 diff things Imo
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Lol Yeah just because he bit doesnt make him any less cool In my book...........He seemed cool when he chatted I know killers doin life that are cool as fuck...........I don't condone biting tho.....and I did listen and he did bite 3 bars bar for bar but that doesnt make me change my opinion if a dude is cool or not...his actions may not have been cool 2 diff things Imo
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Unread 01-24-2014, 10:28 PM
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lol who put panther > moni?
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