Lies about Rap Music

[John Dos]

Talib Kweli as well, and MANY others

[John Dos]

Talib Kweli as well, and MANY others

[RhetoriK]

I get you EtH..

Hip-Hop is the adjective
Rap is more of a verb.
Hip-Hop in general is a multi-faceted community. I think that show is only telling one account of what it is.

Weather or not its foolishness is up to the watcher/listener.

Hip-Hop itself to me is underground by nature..
..a lot of the TRUE HIP HOP that 90% of the population hasn't been exposed to isn't/will never be seen.

A lot of artists who have made a commercial impact or seen some exposure via the media are only representing what I know as hip hop as a figurehead. It's in the art or pervasion of the art that personifies the essence of hip hop.

That show.. for what it's worth is just one dimensional. Again, Hip-Hop is something emanated from those who immerse themselves in it. Rapping is just one of many actions associated with the community. There. Omit all above comments

Why you mad?

Oh, and "power phrasing" imma keep, its dope. that is the term paraphrasing?

[RhetoriK]

I get you EtH..

Hip-Hop is the adjective
Rap is more of a verb.
Hip-Hop in general is a multi-faceted community. I think that show is only telling one account of what it is.

Weather or not its foolishness is up to the watcher/listener.

Hip-Hop itself to me is underground by nature..
..a lot of the TRUE HIP HOP that 90% of the population hasn't been exposed to isn't/will never be seen.

A lot of artists who have made a commercial impact or seen some exposure via the media are only representing what I know as hip hop as a figurehead. It's in the art or pervasion of the art that personifies the essence of hip hop.

That show.. for what it's worth is just one dimensional. Again, Hip-Hop is something emanated from those who immerse themselves in it. Rapping is just one of many actions associated with the community. There. Omit all above comments

Why you mad?

Oh, and "power phrasing" imma keep, its dope. that is the term paraphrasing?

Many unrelated answers. I'm not talking about people choosing to avoid mainstream, nor selling out, nor it being a cultural thing.

What I'm saying is that no rapper is a poet. No rapper is using thier music to express themself. For example, I'm doing poetry now. I feel that expresses myself because I'm taking a true art form which isn't encouraged for me, and doing it because I enjoy it, and it's something I can do to get thoughts and feelings out for no gain other than that. Show me a rapper who does the same. Who doesent leave a rap comfort zone. Lupe is the closest, but he uses double meanings and vocab, which is just elevating rap, not expressing himself.

Rap isn't poetry, and rap isnt an artform. I'm not talking about rapping, because like singing thats just a style of speech. I mean rap, until someone brings actual poetry to the table, and actually does something for nothing other than their own reasons, rap will never be there.

Graffiti artists are anonymous, Poets write poetry for expression

Many unrelated answers. I'm not talking about people choosing to avoid mainstream, nor selling out, nor it being a cultural thing.

What I'm saying is that no rapper is a poet. No rapper is using thier music to express themself. For example, I'm doing poetry now. I feel that expresses myself because I'm taking a true art form which isn't encouraged for me, and doing it because I enjoy it, and it's something I can do to get thoughts and feelings out for no gain other than that. Show me a rapper who does the same. Who doesent leave a rap comfort zone. Lupe is the closest, but he uses double meanings and vocab, which is just elevating rap, not expressing himself.

Rap isn't poetry, and rap isnt an artform. I'm not talking about rapping, because like singing thats just a style of speech. I mean rap, until someone brings actual poetry to the table, and actually does something for nothing other than their own reasons, rap will never be there.

Graffiti artists are anonymous, Poets write poetry for expression

And don't get me wrong, I love rap, and it is a true skill and talent, which I'm sure a lot of us reading here possess. It's enjoyable, and unlike a stigma, it isn't just people talking about stupid shit. What I'm saying is, although it's own thing, it's latching onto much higher forms of art to try and propell itself into a different image, and it doesent have the elements to actually be associated with those art forms.

Graffitti associates with Painting. Hip Hop Dancing associates with Ballet etc....Rap does NOT associate with poetry. Finally, understandable wording lmao, and unlike the previous two I mentioned, does not deal with self expression. If it did, we'd have a more diverse financial background, a wider and non sterotypical type of character and style, unlimited amounts of topics and everything that would come with poetry. Poetry isnt a culture, so you don't have to be or do anything, unlike rap

And don't get me wrong, I love rap, and it is a true skill and talent, which I'm sure a lot of us reading here possess. It's enjoyable, and unlike a stigma, it isn't just people talking about stupid shit. What I'm saying is, although it's own thing, it's latching onto much higher forms of art to try and propell itself into a different image, and it doesent have the elements to actually be associated with those art forms.

Graffitti associates with Painting. Hip Hop Dancing associates with Ballet etc....Rap does NOT associate with poetry. Finally, understandable wording lmao, and unlike the previous two I mentioned, does not deal with self expression. If it did, we'd have a more diverse financial background, a wider and non sterotypical type of character and style, unlimited amounts of topics and everything that would come with poetry. Poetry isnt a culture, so you don't have to be or do anything, unlike rap

[RhetoriK]

Well duh.

Poetry is poetry.
Rap is rap.

How can you say Lupe is close? In that case ODB was too, since he sang some lyrics too.

Rap has a science and art involved. Its a medium artistically related to hip hop. Who are any of us to classify something we didnt create?

[RhetoriK]

Well duh.

Poetry is poetry.
Rap is rap.

How can you say Lupe is close? In that case ODB was too, since he sang some lyrics too.

Rap has a science and art involved. Its a medium artistically related to hip hop. Who are any of us to classify something we didnt create?

[RhetoriK]

If anything rapping in general derives FROM poetry. Theres styles and struture involved but theyre two mediums of the same thing. "Spoken Word" wether its over a beat, on paper or acapella you cant deny that relation between the two.

Not Lupe:

Digable Planets
That Handsome Devil

Both better examples of the Lupe point you were making.

[RhetoriK]

If anything rapping in general derives FROM poetry. Theres styles and struture involved but theyre two mediums of the same thing. "Spoken Word" wether its over a beat, on paper or acapella you cant deny that relation between the two.

Not Lupe:

Digable Planets
That Handsome Devil

Both better examples of the Lupe point you were making.

Again, rap coming from poetry, yet involving literally none of the aspects. How are they similar? Rap claims to be poetry, it isn't. There are very few similar aspects. Just because both are things put on paper, rappers tried to claim to be involved. A graffiti artist can be influenced by painters, when was a rapper ever influenced by a poet? I've hear Shakespear, and I find that laughable, because thats like asking someone who pretends to be a rap fan saying "Uhm, yeah, my fav rappers is ehhh, 50 cent".

Poetry is an actual art form.
Rap is a genre of music.

The only thing about rap I could say could be art is some of the music making, but again where are the people doing it? Art is about telling a story through various techniques, and rap just tells a story. It can be put in with being a mediocre author, but not being an artist.

Again, rap coming from poetry, yet involving literally none of the aspects. How are they similar? Rap claims to be poetry, it isn't. There are very few similar aspects. Just because both are things put on paper, rappers tried to claim to be involved. A graffiti artist can be influenced by painters, when was a rapper ever influenced by a poet? I've hear Shakespear, and I find that laughable, because thats like asking someone who pretends to be a rap fan saying "Uhm, yeah, my fav rappers is ehhh, 50 cent".

Poetry is an actual art form.
Rap is a genre of music.

The only thing about rap I could say could be art is some of the music making, but again where are the people doing it? Art is about telling a story through various techniques, and rap just tells a story. It can be put in with being a mediocre author, but not being an artist.

I knew from the second I posted that I'd never get agreement, because it's like going to a KKK fan page and posting a thread saying "Blacks arent all that bad are they?".Just I felt that someone telling me that it's not what everyone (being non rap listeners) think, and that in actuallity it's art and poetry and expression. I listen to all kinds of rap, main, underground, upcoming.....none of it can be filed under such headings.

I knew from the second I posted that I'd never get agreement, because it's like going to a KKK fan page and posting a thread saying "Blacks arent all that bad are they?".Just I felt that someone telling me that it's not what everyone (being non rap listeners) think, and that in actuallity it's art and poetry and expression. I listen to all kinds of rap, main, underground, upcoming.....none of it can be filed under such headings.

[RhetoriK]

Now we're getting somewhere...kinda...

but you're trying to shift the patrons of both categorically:. You're slippin...

Ok.. you can't say "Rap" tries.. but you can some "rappers" do..
Langston Hughes uses a set structure to pervade his craft
Fuck it, 50 Cent did too..

Rappers and poets don't have to be involved in each others communities for them to be related. Sandals and sneakers are still shoes at the end of the day.. they're related because they're both created for the same purpose

Dunno where your going with this...

There are techniques of poetry and techniques of rap.
Vinnie Paz uses a different technique than Lupe..
Langston Hughes and Jack Kerouac had different techniques
yes, in the end its all rap
but in the end it's all poetry too.

Rap doesn't claim to do shit..lol, its the dumbasses involved with it that fuck it over.. s'why Hip Hop is damn near dead because people try to sound more cultured than they really are.

There's genres related to both too

Poetry:
Limmerick, Hiku, yada yada

Rap:
Conscious, Horror-core, blah blah, shit.. regionally its different as well

I totally agree with saying that Rap is a genre and that Poetry is an artform. But they ARE related.

[RhetoriK]

Now we're getting somewhere...kinda...

but you're trying to shift the patrons of both categorically:. You're slippin...

Ok.. you can't say "Rap" tries.. but you can some "rappers" do..
Langston Hughes uses a set structure to pervade his craft
Fuck it, 50 Cent did too..

Rappers and poets don't have to be involved in each others communities for them to be related. Sandals and sneakers are still shoes at the end of the day.. they're related because they're both created for the same purpose

Dunno where your going with this...

There are techniques of poetry and techniques of rap.
Vinnie Paz uses a different technique than Lupe..
Langston Hughes and Jack Kerouac had different techniques
yes, in the end its all rap
but in the end it's all poetry too.

Rap doesn't claim to do shit..lol, its the dumbasses involved with it that fuck it over.. s'why Hip Hop is damn near dead because people try to sound more cultured than they really are.

There's genres related to both too

Poetry:
Limmerick, Hiku, yada yada

Rap:
Conscious, Horror-core, blah blah, shit.. regionally its different as well

I totally agree with saying that Rap is a genre and that Poetry is an artform. But they ARE related.

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