So, I know this shit sounds crazy but

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Jason

its not a joke or anythin.. but why dont you go read them and find out
the bible contains many different things.. parables.. actual events.. etc
obviously its not just pages talking about nothing.
even if the bible was some sort of scam.. every page in there would mean something.. cus a scam still has to work

on that note.. if the bible is bullshit..it was put together by a brilliant collection of people
the bible is flawless.. there is no way to prove if it is real or fake.. its blind faith.

the bible isn't brilliant, it's full of flaws and the whatnot.

anyway, in reference toward god, here's a rather intresting argument I heard recently in regards toward the judeo-christian god.

here's how it goes.

God is just.

If god is just, then he must treat alike people the same,

for example. If I murder someone, and my neighbor murders someone, then justice would dictate we are both treated the same.

There are varying degrees of faith.

Eventually, somewhere there is a delineation between those that do or do not go to heaven, yet since degrees of faith are varying, the difference in faith between at least one person going to heaven and one person going to hell is small, almost negligible.

If god is just, then he must treat people similar in faith similar. since these two from my example above are similar in faith, yet they receive radically different rewards, god cannot be just.

Just a thought to toy with.

personally, I think god is dead.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Jason

its not a joke or anythin.. but why dont you go read them and find out
the bible contains many different things.. parables.. actual events.. etc
obviously its not just pages talking about nothing.
even if the bible was some sort of scam.. every page in there would mean something.. cus a scam still has to work

on that note.. if the bible is bullshit..it was put together by a brilliant collection of people
the bible is flawless.. there is no way to prove if it is real or fake.. its blind faith.

the bible isn't brilliant, it's full of flaws and the whatnot.

anyway, in reference toward god, here's a rather intresting argument I heard recently in regards toward the judeo-christian god.

here's how it goes.

God is just.

If god is just, then he must treat alike people the same,

for example. If I murder someone, and my neighbor murders someone, then justice would dictate we are both treated the same.

There are varying degrees of faith.

Eventually, somewhere there is a delineation between those that do or do not go to heaven, yet since degrees of faith are varying, the difference in faith between at least one person going to heaven and one person going to hell is small, almost negligible.

If god is just, then he must treat people similar in faith similar. since these two from my example above are similar in faith, yet they receive radically different rewards, god cannot be just.

Just a thought to toy with.

personally, I think god is dead.

[King John]

Originally Posted by Jason

its not a joke or anythin.. but why dont you go read them and find out
the bible contains many different things.. parables.. actual events.. etc
obviously its not just pages talking about nothing.
even if the bible was some sort of scam.. every page in there would mean something.. cus a scam still has to work

on that note.. if the bible is bullshit..it was put together by a brilliant collection of people
the bible is flawless.. there is no way to prove if it is real or fake.. its blind faith.

lol, that made me laugh.

[King John]

Originally Posted by Jason

its not a joke or anythin.. but why dont you go read them and find out
the bible contains many different things.. parables.. actual events.. etc
obviously its not just pages talking about nothing.
even if the bible was some sort of scam.. every page in there would mean something.. cus a scam still has to work

on that note.. if the bible is bullshit..it was put together by a brilliant collection of people
the bible is flawless.. there is no way to prove if it is real or fake.. its blind faith.

lol, that made me laugh.

[King John]

Originally Posted by Jason

prove me wrong

Well for one the earth isn't 6,000 years old like the bible says, but that one's too easy, here's a question I've never gotten a good answer too. If God is all all knowing, meaning that he knows what we're going to do before we do it, how do we have freewill? If God knows what you're gonna do that means your actions are already predetermined, thus freewill is an illusion. On the other hand if we truly have freewill that means God doesn't know what we're going to do, which means he wouldn't be all knowing. Explain that for me.

[King John]

Originally Posted by Jason

prove me wrong

Well for one the earth isn't 6,000 years old like the bible says, but that one's too easy, here's a question I've never gotten a good answer too. If God is all all knowing, meaning that he knows what we're going to do before we do it, how do we have freewill? If God knows what you're gonna do that means your actions are already predetermined, thus freewill is an illusion. On the other hand if we truly have freewill that means God doesn't know what we're going to do, which means he wouldn't be all knowing. Explain that for me.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by King John

Well for one the earth isn't 6,000 years old like the bible says, but that one's too easy, here's a question I've never gotten a good answer too. If God is all all knowing, meaning that he knows what we're going to do before we do it, how do we have freewill? If God knows what you're gonna do that means your actions are already predetermined, thus freewill is an illusion. On the other hand if we truly have freewill that means God doesn't know what we're going to do, which means he wouldn't be all knowing. Explain that for me.

I'm not a theist, and this is a high quality argument.

If I were to play advocate of the theist stance, however, I'd have to go the calvinist route and side with the concept of predestination.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by King John

Well for one the earth isn't 6,000 years old like the bible says, but that one's too easy, here's a question I've never gotten a good answer too. If God is all all knowing, meaning that he knows what we're going to do before we do it, how do we have freewill? If God knows what you're gonna do that means your actions are already predetermined, thus freewill is an illusion. On the other hand if we truly have freewill that means God doesn't know what we're going to do, which means he wouldn't be all knowing. Explain that for me.

I'm not a theist, and this is a high quality argument.

If I were to play advocate of the theist stance, however, I'd have to go the calvinist route and side with the concept of predestination.

[King John]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

I'm not a theist, and this is a high quality argument.

If I were to play advocate of the theist stance, however, I'd have to go the calvinist route and side with the concept of predestination.

That's what I'm saying though, if our lives are predetermined, then we don't really have freewill, thus we can't really be held responsible for our actions if they were always meant to be. Like if it was predetermined that Hitler was going to kill millions of Jews even before he was born, how can he be punished in the after life if there was nothing he could do to stop his fate?

[King John]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

I'm not a theist, and this is a high quality argument.

If I were to play advocate of the theist stance, however, I'd have to go the calvinist route and side with the concept of predestination.

That's what I'm saying though, if our lives are predetermined, then we don't really have freewill, thus we can't really be held responsible for our actions if they were always meant to be. Like if it was predetermined that Hitler was going to kill millions of Jews even before he was born, how can he be punished in the after life if there was nothing he could do to stop his fate?

Originally Posted by Jason

prove me wrong

Kent Hovind over here.

Originally Posted by Jason

prove me wrong

Kent Hovind over here.

I actually believe in god to an extent. After a family member died, I wanted to think "I'll pray to them, hoping that they can here". This got me praying to god, and somehow things have looked up ever since, so I could hope that the connection is more than a very likley coincidence.

I don't think it was a scam. If it's not real, it's a way of life for olden times to me. Moral code.

I always had a problem with putting my life by it because its not faith in god, its faith in man to actually have had a connection with god, if you get me. I dont trust anyone I dont know enough to influence my entire life.

I actually believe in god to an extent. After a family member died, I wanted to think "I'll pray to them, hoping that they can here". This got me praying to god, and somehow things have looked up ever since, so I could hope that the connection is more than a very likley coincidence.

I don't think it was a scam. If it's not real, it's a way of life for olden times to me. Moral code.

I always had a problem with putting my life by it because its not faith in god, its faith in man to actually have had a connection with god, if you get me. I dont trust anyone I dont know enough to influence my entire life.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by UnEtHiCaL

I actually believe in god to an extent. After a family member died, I wanted to think "I'll pray to them, hoping that they can here". This got me praying to god, and somehow things have looked up ever since, so I could hope that the connection is more than a very likley coincidence.

I don't think it was a scam. If it's not real, it's a way of life for olden times to me. Moral code.

I always had a problem with putting my life by it because its not faith in god, its faith in man to actually have had a connection with god, if you get me. I dont trust anyone I dont know enough to influence my entire life.

Religion was a way to understand the universe. I'm not condemning it, I'm just saying that we don't need it to engage our world anymore. God is dead.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by UnEtHiCaL

I actually believe in god to an extent. After a family member died, I wanted to think "I'll pray to them, hoping that they can here". This got me praying to god, and somehow things have looked up ever since, so I could hope that the connection is more than a very likley coincidence.

I don't think it was a scam. If it's not real, it's a way of life for olden times to me. Moral code.

I always had a problem with putting my life by it because its not faith in god, its faith in man to actually have had a connection with god, if you get me. I dont trust anyone I dont know enough to influence my entire life.

Religion was a way to understand the universe. I'm not condemning it, I'm just saying that we don't need it to engage our world anymore. God is dead.

[Louie Dawgs]

well um, the creation story? that's a flaw because like...it's not true. The with the earth standing still, the worldwide flood, and the whatnot.

there are plenty of contradictions in the bible. i'm not going to list them here, you can google around and find extensive lists.

We'll just go over a few basic idiocies of christianity. Like, the fact that every word is inspired. You know, even the ones taken from different texts and placed into different translations. Yep.

The fact that christians can't even decide what should or shouldn't go in the bible. You know, because god wants you to hear his word, just not to know which parts of the bible really contain it.

I could go on, but it's idiotic.

[Louie Dawgs]

well um, the creation story? that's a flaw because like...it's not true. The with the earth standing still, the worldwide flood, and the whatnot.

there are plenty of contradictions in the bible. i'm not going to list them here, you can google around and find extensive lists.

We'll just go over a few basic idiocies of christianity. Like, the fact that every word is inspired. You know, even the ones taken from different texts and placed into different translations. Yep.

The fact that christians can't even decide what should or shouldn't go in the bible. You know, because god wants you to hear his word, just not to know which parts of the bible really contain it.

I could go on, but it's idiotic.

[FreezyCT]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

well um, the creation story? that's a flaw because like...it's not true. The with the earth standing still, the worldwide flood, and the whatnot.

there are plenty of contradictions in the bible. i'm not going to list them here, you can google around and find extensive lists.

We'll just go over a few basic idiocies of christianity. Like, the fact that every word is inspired. You know, even the ones taken from different texts and placed into different translations. Yep.

The fact that christians can't even decide what should or shouldn't go in the bible. You know, because god wants you to hear his word, just not to know which parts of the bible really contain it.

I could go on, but it's idiotic.

when you try to bring science into religion, then yes - you get ppl like this...

first of all - if you know about the bible, then you know its a collection of stories of how people interpreted their time - whether that be on this earth, or with jesus...its nothing more than someones recognition of what went on

now i ask you, how is that any different from our world history?

when i look at an apple, i may see something completely different than what you see...ya its an apple, but i may be hungry at the time - so i see the apple as food - you could be full and looking at the same apple...you know where im going

history is the same...stories passed down from someone's perspective that could be 100% different if someone different was asked......as a member of that faith, you are asked to believe the stories that get passed down, no matter how rediculous, because thats the epitome of faith

[FreezyCT]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

well um, the creation story? that's a flaw because like...it's not true. The with the earth standing still, the worldwide flood, and the whatnot.

there are plenty of contradictions in the bible. i'm not going to list them here, you can google around and find extensive lists.

We'll just go over a few basic idiocies of christianity. Like, the fact that every word is inspired. You know, even the ones taken from different texts and placed into different translations. Yep.

The fact that christians can't even decide what should or shouldn't go in the bible. You know, because god wants you to hear his word, just not to know which parts of the bible really contain it.

I could go on, but it's idiotic.

when you try to bring science into religion, then yes - you get ppl like this...

first of all - if you know about the bible, then you know its a collection of stories of how people interpreted their time - whether that be on this earth, or with jesus...its nothing more than someones recognition of what went on

now i ask you, how is that any different from our world history?

when i look at an apple, i may see something completely different than what you see...ya its an apple, but i may be hungry at the time - so i see the apple as food - you could be full and looking at the same apple...you know where im going

history is the same...stories passed down from someone's perspective that could be 100% different if someone different was asked......as a member of that faith, you are asked to believe the stories that get passed down, no matter how rediculous, because thats the epitome of faith