If you believe in God

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Well, unless you've died and came back, there's no telling absolutely whether we would know one way or the other after death or if even our individual consciousness would still be intact.
I think "reality" is relative...so the question of whether something (God, Bugs Bunny, etc) exists in "reality" or not is a null point. EVERYTHING exists in relative reality. As soon as you have a name or an idea attached to it, it exists...even if only as a name or an idea.
Is Bugs Bunny real? Of course he's real. He might not be an actual walking, talking rabbit, but he IS a REAL cartoon character.
So God definitely exists...that's not a question. The question is what he exists AS. An actual omnipotent being? A figment of some people's imagination? A fictional character who appears in different versions of antiquated manuscripts?

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Well, unless you've died and came back, there's no telling absolutely whether we would know one way or the other after death or if even our individual consciousness would still be intact.
I think "reality" is relative...so the question of whether something (God, Bugs Bunny, etc) exists in "reality" or not is a null point. EVERYTHING exists in relative reality. As soon as you have a name or an idea attached to it, it exists...even if only as a name or an idea.
Is Bugs Bunny real? Of course he's real. He might not be an actual walking, talking rabbit, but he IS a REAL cartoon character.
So God definitely exists...that's not a question. The question is what he exists AS. An actual omnipotent being? A figment of some people's imagination? A fictional character who appears in different versions of antiquated manuscripts?

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Originally Posted by Shiny Face

as an ALL powerful being. infinite in every sense of the word.. wouldn't he then be able to create a being greater than himself? if he can't then he is imperfect and ceases to be God. if he can, and does, then there is a being greater than God, and God ceases to be God. If he can and chooses not to then he is witholding greater goods from the universe for what other than selfish reasons?... an imperfection, and thus ceases to be God.

If he posses the knowledge of creating something greater than himself, he need not to, as it already exist's with in his knowledge.

There for he needs not to create something 'greater' than himself, as he would already Be greater than himself by knowing of that very knowledge.

Edit: didn't read the other posts...an won't either.

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Originally Posted by Shiny Face

as an ALL powerful being. infinite in every sense of the word.. wouldn't he then be able to create a being greater than himself? if he can't then he is imperfect and ceases to be God. if he can, and does, then there is a being greater than God, and God ceases to be God. If he can and chooses not to then he is witholding greater goods from the universe for what other than selfish reasons?... an imperfection, and thus ceases to be God.

If he posses the knowledge of creating something greater than himself, he need not to, as it already exist's with in his knowledge.

There for he needs not to create something 'greater' than himself, as he would already Be greater than himself by knowing of that very knowledge.

Edit: didn't read the other posts...an won't either.

Hold on, I'm gonna go test this death theory.
*Exit's thread*

Hold on, I'm gonna go test this death theory.
*Exit's thread*

Originally Posted by 2FUEL

If he posses the knowledge of creating something greater than himself, he need not to, as it already exist's with in his knowledge.

There for he needs not to create something 'greater' than himself, as he would already Be greater than himself by knowing of that very knowledge.

Edit: didn't read the other posts...an won't either.

heres the deal cuz.... i figured it out

if god creates something greater than god, that creation is still a creation of his. god was created by nothing and thats what would make him greater than even something he created to be greater than himself, because that something would have a creator.

Originally Posted by 2FUEL

If he posses the knowledge of creating something greater than himself, he need not to, as it already exist's with in his knowledge.

There for he needs not to create something 'greater' than himself, as he would already Be greater than himself by knowing of that very knowledge.

Edit: didn't read the other posts...an won't either.

heres the deal cuz.... i figured it out

if god creates something greater than god, that creation is still a creation of his. god was created by nothing and thats what would make him greater than even something he created to be greater than himself, because that something would have a creator.

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Originally Posted by Shiny Face

heres the deal cuz.... i figured it out

if god creates something greater than god, that creation is still a creation of his. god was created by nothing and thats what would make him greater than even something he created to be greater than himself, because that something would have a creator.

But he wouldn't need to create something 'greater' as he would already be greater by possessing the knowledge of creating something greater.

Therefore, he wouldn't actually be creating something greater....but rather, he would be learning/evolving into something greater, while still being himself.

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Originally Posted by Shiny Face

heres the deal cuz.... i figured it out

if god creates something greater than god, that creation is still a creation of his. god was created by nothing and thats what would make him greater than even something he created to be greater than himself, because that something would have a creator.

But he wouldn't need to create something 'greater' as he would already be greater by possessing the knowledge of creating something greater.

Therefore, he wouldn't actually be creating something greater....but rather, he would be learning/evolving into something greater, while still being himself.

true, well put

true, well put

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Thank you ... lol

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Thank you ... lol

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It is hard, if not impossible to quantify how many degrees of reality exist between two different perceptions. Even if we take a simple example like the question "What time is it right now?" For many of us, the answer will be different because we live in different time zones and continents. So who would be right in that scenario? Even the rate at which time flows for each one of us is probably different, however minute that difference is. How fast you are moving and how high up you live (further away from Earth's gravity) affects the rate at which time flows for you.
We probably all have different definitions for what "God" is. @Unyqe called it "the energy of the universe." What if my definition for "God" is water? You may present an argument that water doesn't fit some criteria and should not be considered "God", but you cannot make the argument (and win) that water does not exist.
The point I'm trying to make is: The answer to the question "Does God exist" is relative. It is possible that "God", based on some people's definitions, literally exists in reality for them if no one else.

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It is hard, if not impossible to quantify how many degrees of reality exist between two different perceptions. Even if we take a simple example like the question "What time is it right now?" For many of us, the answer will be different because we live in different time zones and continents. So who would be right in that scenario? Even the rate at which time flows for each one of us is probably different, however minute that difference is. How fast you are moving and how high up you live (further away from Earth's gravity) affects the rate at which time flows for you.
We probably all have different definitions for what "God" is. @Unyqe called it "the energy of the universe." What if my definition for "God" is water? You may present an argument that water doesn't fit some criteria and should not be considered "God", but you cannot make the argument (and win) that water does not exist.
The point I'm trying to make is: The answer to the question "Does God exist" is relative. It is possible that "God", based on some people's definitions, literally exists in reality for them if no one else.

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^But that wasn't the question...

Still well put though. Thing is... time is a collective (Earth as One) we all move together (Earth as one). Our time (Earth as a whole) is one. Movement around the sun, the axis tilt etc...all one.

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^But that wasn't the question...

Still well put though. Thing is... time is a collective (Earth as One) we all move together (Earth as one). Our time (Earth as a whole) is one. Movement around the sun, the axis tilt etc...all one.

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Originally Posted by 2FUEL

^But that wasn't the question...

Still well put though. Thing is... time is a collective (Earth as One) we all move together (Earth as one). Our time (Earth as a whole) is one. Movement around the sun, the axis tilt etc...all one.

Not true. Time is relative...hence Einstein's "General Theory of RELATIVITY" that deals with time and space. They've done experiments where they placed atomic clocks on airplanes, synchronized them with atomic clocks on the ground, then flew the airplanes around the world. When it was all said and done, the atomic clocks on the planes were 1/6,000,000th of a second ahead of the ones on the ground. That is a very minute difference that would not be noticeable by any of us, but its still a real difference. So somebody flying on a plane right now is actually experiencing time at a very slightly different rate than you.

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Originally Posted by 2FUEL

^But that wasn't the question...

Still well put though. Thing is... time is a collective (Earth as One) we all move together (Earth as one). Our time (Earth as a whole) is one. Movement around the sun, the axis tilt etc...all one.

Not true. Time is relative...hence Einstein's "General Theory of RELATIVITY" that deals with time and space. They've done experiments where they placed atomic clocks on airplanes, synchronized them with atomic clocks on the ground, then flew the airplanes around the world. When it was all said and done, the atomic clocks on the planes were 1/6,000,000th of a second ahead of the ones on the ground. That is a very minute difference that would not be noticeable by any of us, but its still a real difference. So somebody flying on a plane right now is actually experiencing time at a very slightly different rate than you.