The Greatest Of: Champions (Kiwi's version)

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by P u n k

I would because it’s supposed to hold some sort of prestige. Seeing that there’s only 2 major site titles on the site, they should be considered very important. It’s about growth as a platform. And no ones stopping the older guys from coming back and winning a major title. Skitt and Boro for example are 2 old heads battling for LBA.

Dope list Talent.

Aren't you supposed to be permabanned?

Also, huge props for taking the time to do this @Lil Talent. What I'd also like to see is the "raw data" of who won what and when. The records haven't necessarily been cleanly kept as far as I know, and it looks like you've already done the footwork to collect the pieces.

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by P u n k

I would because it’s supposed to hold some sort of prestige. Seeing that there’s only 2 major site titles on the site, they should be considered very important. It’s about growth as a platform. And no ones stopping the older guys from coming back and winning a major title. Skitt and Boro for example are 2 old heads battling for LBA.

Dope list Talent.

Aren't you supposed to be permabanned?

Also, huge props for taking the time to do this @Lil Talent. What I'd also like to see is the "raw data" of who won what and when. The records haven't necessarily been cleanly kept as far as I know, and it looks like you've already done the footwork to collect the pieces.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Shodan

Also, huge props for taking the time to do this Lil Talent. What I'd also like to see is the "raw data" of who won what and when. The records haven't necessarily been cleanly kept as far as I know, and it looks like you've already done the footwork to collect the pieces.

A lot of the information had been collated by @RULE, absolutely massive props to him for taking all that time, it made my job not just easier but possible. Most of the records haven't been updated since roughly the time I joined the site, which is just as well, because I did the results of everything from when the records end until now by memory. Below are all the sources I remember using:

Audio Tournaments: The History Of: LetsBeef Audio Champions
Text Tournaments: The History Of: LetsBeef Text Champions
Video Tournaments: The History Of: LetsBeef Video Champions and Lets Beef (And LOCKHART) Proudly Present: The Bars For Bling Video Battle Tournament
LBA: The History Of: The LBA Championship
LBT: The History Of: The LBT Championship
LBTT: The History Of: The LBTT Championship
LB.com Contests Forum Section: LetsBeef.com Contests > WINNERS
Audio HOF Inductees: Resolved Audio Nominations
Text HOF Inductees: Resolved [Text] Nominations
Track HOF Inductees: Resolved Track Nominations
LB Awards: The History Of: The LetsBeef Awards

The table with all the information that I used to make this is in a Microsoft Excel Spreadsheet, I can send it to you anyone that is really curious to tinker with if they want to.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Shodan

Also, huge props for taking the time to do this Lil Talent. What I'd also like to see is the "raw data" of who won what and when. The records haven't necessarily been cleanly kept as far as I know, and it looks like you've already done the footwork to collect the pieces.

A lot of the information had been collated by @RULE, absolutely massive props to him for taking all that time, it made my job not just easier but possible. Most of the records haven't been updated since roughly the time I joined the site, which is just as well, because I did the results of everything from when the records end until now by memory. Below are all the sources I remember using:

Audio Tournaments: The History Of: LetsBeef Audio Champions
Text Tournaments: The History Of: LetsBeef Text Champions
Video Tournaments: The History Of: LetsBeef Video Champions and Lets Beef (And LOCKHART) Proudly Present: The Bars For Bling Video Battle Tournament
LBA: The History Of: The LBA Championship
LBT: The History Of: The LBT Championship
LBTT: The History Of: The LBTT Championship
LB.com Contests Forum Section: LetsBeef.com Contests > WINNERS
Audio HOF Inductees: Resolved Audio Nominations
Text HOF Inductees: Resolved [Text] Nominations
Track HOF Inductees: Resolved Track Nominations
LB Awards: The History Of: The LetsBeef Awards

The table with all the information that I used to make this is in a Microsoft Excel Spreadsheet, I can send it to you anyone that is really curious to tinker with if they want to.

[Svengali]

These threads are always fun but of course that's all they will ever be because ranking people from different generations is difficult to do especially when the associated achievements change.

Here's an interesting thing that doesn't get accounted for in the formula though. When I was looking through the Hall of Fame UNKNOWN ARTIST's record struck me as the most impressive 282 wins, 5 losses. Not only that but he avenged four of those losses. Tournaments aren't the only measure of someone's achievement after all.

[Svengali]

These threads are always fun but of course that's all they will ever be because ranking people from different generations is difficult to do especially when the associated achievements change.

Here's an interesting thing that doesn't get accounted for in the formula though. When I was looking through the Hall of Fame UNKNOWN ARTIST's record struck me as the most impressive 282 wins, 5 losses. Not only that but he avenged four of those losses. Tournaments aren't the only measure of someone's achievement after all.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Svengali

These threads are always fun but of course that's all they will ever be because ranking people from different generations is difficult to do especially when the associated achievements change.

Here's an interesting thing that doesn't get accounted for in the formula though. When I was looking through the Hall of Fame UNKNOWN ARTIST's record struck me as the most impressive 282 wins, 5 losses. Not only that but he avenged four of those losses. Tournaments aren't the only measure of someone's achievement after all.

Another thing is the number of tournaments has increased over the years. So I would weigh tournament wins against the total number of tournaments available in that arena through the calendar year when it was won. Someone winning two tournaments when there were only 4 tournaments available is more impressive than someone winning two tournaments when there are 8 available.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Svengali

These threads are always fun but of course that's all they will ever be because ranking people from different generations is difficult to do especially when the associated achievements change.

Here's an interesting thing that doesn't get accounted for in the formula though. When I was looking through the Hall of Fame UNKNOWN ARTIST's record struck me as the most impressive 282 wins, 5 losses. Not only that but he avenged four of those losses. Tournaments aren't the only measure of someone's achievement after all.

Another thing is the number of tournaments has increased over the years. So I would weigh tournament wins against the total number of tournaments available in that arena through the calendar year when it was won. Someone winning two tournaments when there were only 4 tournaments available is more impressive than someone winning two tournaments when there are 8 available.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Svengali

These threads are always fun but of course that's all they will ever be because ranking people from different generations is difficult to do especially when the associated achievements change.

Here's an interesting thing that doesn't get accounted for in the formula though. When I was looking through the Hall of Fame UNKNOWN ARTIST's record struck me as the most impressive 282 wins, 5 losses. Not only that but he avenged four of those losses. Tournaments aren't the only measure of someone's achievement after all.

I toyed with the idea of factoring battle record into it, but decided against it for two reasons. Firstly, too many of the people in question have at least one major account deletion, so it isn’t possible to get their battle records accurately (Bleu, Lockhart, PaiNN, Row, Rant, Rai, Ticket). Secondly, because then Bnas would be GOAT

Finding a way to factor defeating other people on the list into the equation would be good though, although I have no idea how it would be done. But thanks for the suggestion!

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Originally Posted by NOBLE

Another thing is the number of tournaments has increased over the years. So I would weigh tournament wins against the total number of tournaments available in that arena through the calendar year when it was won. Someone winning two tournaments when there were only 4 tournaments available is more impressive than someone winning two tournaments when there are 8 available.

There was consideration given to weighting tournament wins based on the number of accolades among the field that partook in the tourney? This would probably disadvantage those in the really early days when only a handful of accounts from that era got tourney wins but I guess it's the best idea I've seen for it so far.

As far as the LBT/LBA(/LBTT) belts being around only in the recent era, I think this is somewhat countered by the existence of the Letsbeef.com competitions, which mostly seemed to run in the older days and stopped several years ago. For instance, Punk only won one of them, despite being a Track HOFer, and this has substantially held back his score on the "Greatest Track Makers of All Time" sublist (speaking of which, I have sublists for Audio Battling, Text Battling & Cyphering, Video Battling and Track & Music Video Making which I may post if the interest warrants them). I'm sure there are way more LB.com competitions than are displayed in the forum page, but I have no idea where to find them, maybe uncovering these would even the playing field some more?

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Svengali

These threads are always fun but of course that's all they will ever be because ranking people from different generations is difficult to do especially when the associated achievements change.

Here's an interesting thing that doesn't get accounted for in the formula though. When I was looking through the Hall of Fame UNKNOWN ARTIST's record struck me as the most impressive 282 wins, 5 losses. Not only that but he avenged four of those losses. Tournaments aren't the only measure of someone's achievement after all.

I toyed with the idea of factoring battle record into it, but decided against it for two reasons. Firstly, too many of the people in question have at least one major account deletion, so it isn’t possible to get their battle records accurately (Bleu, Lockhart, PaiNN, Row, Rant, Rai, Ticket). Secondly, because then Bnas would be GOAT

Finding a way to factor defeating other people on the list into the equation would be good though, although I have no idea how it would be done. But thanks for the suggestion!

---------- Post added at 08:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:58 AM ----------

Originally Posted by NOBLE

Another thing is the number of tournaments has increased over the years. So I would weigh tournament wins against the total number of tournaments available in that arena through the calendar year when it was won. Someone winning two tournaments when there were only 4 tournaments available is more impressive than someone winning two tournaments when there are 8 available.

There was consideration given to weighting tournament wins based on the number of accolades among the field that partook in the tourney? This would probably disadvantage those in the really early days when only a handful of accounts from that era got tourney wins but I guess it's the best idea I've seen for it so far.

As far as the LBT/LBA(/LBTT) belts being around only in the recent era, I think this is somewhat countered by the existence of the Letsbeef.com competitions, which mostly seemed to run in the older days and stopped several years ago. For instance, Punk only won one of them, despite being a Track HOFer, and this has substantially held back his score on the "Greatest Track Makers of All Time" sublist (speaking of which, I have sublists for Audio Battling, Text Battling & Cyphering, Video Battling and Track & Music Video Making which I may post if the interest warrants them). I'm sure there are way more LB.com competitions than are displayed in the forum page, but I have no idea where to find them, maybe uncovering these would even the playing field some more?

blu deleted, so he lost all his accolades. row deleted and cheated, so he lsot all his accolades. just confirming that if you delete you are no longer entitled to previous accolades earned.

awesome list. i disagree with all of it, but i love this project, and loved seeing this.

great work LT

blu deleted, so he lost all his accolades. row deleted and cheated, so he lsot all his accolades. just confirming that if you delete you are no longer entitled to previous accolades earned.

awesome list. i disagree with all of it, but i love this project, and loved seeing this.

great work LT

Originally Posted by g u t s

blu deleted, so he lost all his accolades. row deleted and cheated, so he lsot all his accolades. just confirming that if you delete you are no longer entitled to previous accolades earned.

awesome list. i disagree with all of it, but i love this project, and loved seeing this.

great work LT

Yet they’re still respected for all the work they’ve put in. So your opinion here don’t count.

Originally Posted by g u t s

blu deleted, so he lost all his accolades. row deleted and cheated, so he lsot all his accolades. just confirming that if you delete you are no longer entitled to previous accolades earned.

awesome list. i disagree with all of it, but i love this project, and loved seeing this.

great work LT

Yet they’re still respected for all the work they’ve put in. So your opinion here don’t count.

Originally Posted by P u n k

Yet they’re still respected for all the work they’ve put in. So your opinion here don’t count.

i was letting lt know that the site does not consider the accolades of deleted accounts

Originally Posted by P u n k

Yet they’re still respected for all the work they’ve put in. So your opinion here don’t count.

i was letting lt know that the site does not consider the accolades of deleted accounts

Originally Posted by g u t s

i was letting lt know that the site does not consider the accolades of deleted accounts

The site being three users? Let the show roll on LT.

NOTE: @RULE already put this kind of system together years ago. Official thread is here: https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128666

Originally Posted by g u t s

i was letting lt know that the site does not consider the accolades of deleted accounts

The site being three users? Let the show roll on LT.

NOTE: @RULE already put this kind of system together years ago. Official thread is here: https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128666

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by g u t s

blu deleted, so he lost all his accolades. row deleted and cheated, so he lsot all his accolades. just confirming that if you delete you are no longer entitled to previous accolades earned.

awesome list. i disagree with all of it, but i love this project, and loved seeing this.

great work LT

Thanks guts, although my decision is basically that only when titles are actually switched over to people that lost finals to Row will I switch the points over. Or, for instance, if Bleu's HOF induction pages are deleted (which hopefully never happens), then I'll take away his points.

Thanks to everyone showing love for this, it took a lot of time and effort and struggling with Microsoft Office so its great to know people enjoyed it

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by g u t s

blu deleted, so he lost all his accolades. row deleted and cheated, so he lsot all his accolades. just confirming that if you delete you are no longer entitled to previous accolades earned.

awesome list. i disagree with all of it, but i love this project, and loved seeing this.

great work LT

Thanks guts, although my decision is basically that only when titles are actually switched over to people that lost finals to Row will I switch the points over. Or, for instance, if Bleu's HOF induction pages are deleted (which hopefully never happens), then I'll take away his points.

Thanks to everyone showing love for this, it took a lot of time and effort and struggling with Microsoft Office so its great to know people enjoyed it