DestinyFate/ Vs. Free Will

Originally Posted by Fidel Z

It doesn't have to be suicide, it can be an accident, a lot of people jump off cliffs into rivers n shit, so if you jump and hit your head, that was meant to be.

I don't see how it ties into God though. This "God's destiny" seems to have NO connection to the situation, but religious people just say he was involved in everything. Did God want Josef Frizl to rape his daughter?

If someone jumps off a river, hits their head on a rock, and dies...it's because they jumped into a river, hit their head, and died. It has NOTHING imo to do with God's plan or will, and LOADS to do with their stupidity.

Originally Posted by Fidel Z

It doesn't have to be suicide, it can be an accident, a lot of people jump off cliffs into rivers n shit, so if you jump and hit your head, that was meant to be.

I don't see how it ties into God though. This "God's destiny" seems to have NO connection to the situation, but religious people just say he was involved in everything. Did God want Josef Frizl to rape his daughter?

If someone jumps off a river, hits their head on a rock, and dies...it's because they jumped into a river, hit their head, and died. It has NOTHING imo to do with God's plan or will, and LOADS to do with their stupidity.

[RULE]

EtH on point tbh.

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EtH on point tbh.

Originally Posted by EtH

I don't see how it ties into God though. This "God's destiny" seems to have NO connection to the situation, but religious people just say he was involved in everything. Did God want Josef Frizl to rape his daughter?

If someone jumps off a river, hits their head on a rock, and dies...it's because they jumped into a river, hit their head, and died. It has NOTHING imo to do with God's plan or will, and LOADS to do with their stupidity.

It's not stupidity, It might be a hobby. Just like cycling is a hobby if people fall of their bike and hit their head is that stupidity? No. It's an accident. There's a risk in anything we do. That Josef dude rapping his daughter was free will, He wanted to rape his daughter. Destiny is the repercussion. I believe that the devil has a lot to do with people like this Josef guys' actions.

God gave us free will. We can do what we want but the 'Day of Judgement' is there for a reason, so that evil people like Josef can pay for what they did. God is Just. Everyone will be held accountable for their actions.

Originally Posted by EtH

I don't see how it ties into God though. This "God's destiny" seems to have NO connection to the situation, but religious people just say he was involved in everything. Did God want Josef Frizl to rape his daughter?

If someone jumps off a river, hits their head on a rock, and dies...it's because they jumped into a river, hit their head, and died. It has NOTHING imo to do with God's plan or will, and LOADS to do with their stupidity.

It's not stupidity, It might be a hobby. Just like cycling is a hobby if people fall of their bike and hit their head is that stupidity? No. It's an accident. There's a risk in anything we do. That Josef dude rapping his daughter was free will, He wanted to rape his daughter. Destiny is the repercussion. I believe that the devil has a lot to do with people like this Josef guys' actions.

God gave us free will. We can do what we want but the 'Day of Judgement' is there for a reason, so that evil people like Josef can pay for what they did. God is Just. Everyone will be held accountable for their actions.

Originally Posted by Fidel Z

It's not stupidity, It might be a hobby. Just like cycling is a hobby if people fall of their bike and hit their head is that stupidity? No. It's an accident. There's a risk in anything we do. That Josef dude rapping his daughter was free will, He wanted to rape his daughter. Destiny is the repercussion. I believe that the devil has a lot to do with people like this Josef guys' actions.

God gave us free will. We can do what we want but the 'Day of Judgement' is there for a reason, so that evil people like Josef can pay for what they did. God is Just. Everyone will be held accountable for their actions.

Sons of Dave will have a fine recruit come December.

I don't know man. It's just spouting nonsense to me. In my book, we're all luke warm religious people at best, which I cant imagine being too favourable in God's eyes. This belief in "Good people go to heaven" is bullshit. You cant ignore the intolerance of your creed because you don't agree with it. Gay Christians are hilarious tbh, because they have absolutely no conception of what their religion states. When Russell Brand owned those West Boro guys, he said "I don't think that's the most important bit" in reference to their hatred of "fags". Who is ANYONE to pick and choose which parts of the bible they believe in. If you believe in your religion, you believe this is the direct words from God. You think God was just rambling on for a bit about stuff he didn't mean? If he wanted us to "Just be good people", he wouldn't have went into such depth in telling us what is 'wrong'.

Originally Posted by Fidel Z

It's not stupidity, It might be a hobby. Just like cycling is a hobby if people fall of their bike and hit their head is that stupidity? No. It's an accident. There's a risk in anything we do. That Josef dude rapping his daughter was free will, He wanted to rape his daughter. Destiny is the repercussion. I believe that the devil has a lot to do with people like this Josef guys' actions.

God gave us free will. We can do what we want but the 'Day of Judgement' is there for a reason, so that evil people like Josef can pay for what they did. God is Just. Everyone will be held accountable for their actions.

Sons of Dave will have a fine recruit come December.

I don't know man. It's just spouting nonsense to me. In my book, we're all luke warm religious people at best, which I cant imagine being too favourable in God's eyes. This belief in "Good people go to heaven" is bullshit. You cant ignore the intolerance of your creed because you don't agree with it. Gay Christians are hilarious tbh, because they have absolutely no conception of what their religion states. When Russell Brand owned those West Boro guys, he said "I don't think that's the most important bit" in reference to their hatred of "fags". Who is ANYONE to pick and choose which parts of the bible they believe in. If you believe in your religion, you believe this is the direct words from God. You think God was just rambling on for a bit about stuff he didn't mean? If he wanted us to "Just be good people", he wouldn't have went into such depth in telling us what is 'wrong'.

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I think pre-determinism and free will are outgrowths of one another...a polarity. So in a sense, there is no such thing as free will without predeterminism or vice versa just as there is no such thing as a mountain without a valley.
For every act of free will, there is some element of predeterminism and for every predetermined act, there's an element of free will. Neither are absolute.

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I think pre-determinism and free will are outgrowths of one another...a polarity. So in a sense, there is no such thing as free will without predeterminism or vice versa just as there is no such thing as a mountain without a valley.
For every act of free will, there is some element of predeterminism and for every predetermined act, there's an element of free will. Neither are absolute.

I don't think it's something to even theorise about. I think it's simple, we're here, we're making decisions, and the chain reaction will ensue. There is no destiny or predetermined outcome. Anyone can do anything at any time, and the only things holding us back are morals and laws.

I don't think it's something to even theorise about. I think it's simple, we're here, we're making decisions, and the chain reaction will ensue. There is no destiny or predetermined outcome. Anyone can do anything at any time, and the only things holding us back are morals and laws.