How much to buy Letsbeef

[Knot Guilty]

Soooooo there won't ever be a Fully Mobile LB huh?

[Knot Guilty]

Soooooo there won't ever be a Fully Mobile LB huh?

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Knot Guilty

Soooooo there won't ever be a Fully Mobile LB huh?

No. It would probably require an entire rewrite of the front end. A fully mobile Letsbeef would be a long term undertaking.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Knot Guilty

Soooooo there won't ever be a Fully Mobile LB huh?

No. It would probably require an entire rewrite of the front end. A fully mobile Letsbeef would be a long term undertaking.

[NOBLE]

That's not true. There will be a mobile site, probably at some point in 2018. It is already under development, and everyone currently on staff has seen it and knows what I'm talking about.

Before I went to jail, I had almost completed a mobile site based on the Zurb Foundation framework. X decided to start all over from scratch using Bootstrap because it is more cohesive with the later versions of vbulletin which we plan on upgrading to because those are also built on Bootstrap.
I know from personal experience that rewriting the front end is not hard at all. The hard part will be coding some of the new features we plan to have. Also, if and when we upgrade vbulletin, we are likely to lose a lot of features we currently enjoy because they come from mods and plug-ins for which there are no equivalent in the latter versions.

[NOBLE]

That's not true. There will be a mobile site, probably at some point in 2018. It is already under development, and everyone currently on staff has seen it and knows what I'm talking about.

Before I went to jail, I had almost completed a mobile site based on the Zurb Foundation framework. X decided to start all over from scratch using Bootstrap because it is more cohesive with the later versions of vbulletin which we plan on upgrading to because those are also built on Bootstrap.
I know from personal experience that rewriting the front end is not hard at all. The hard part will be coding some of the new features we plan to have. Also, if and when we upgrade vbulletin, we are likely to lose a lot of features we currently enjoy because they come from mods and plug-ins for which there are no equivalent in the latter versions.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by NOBLE

That's not true. There will be a mobile site, probably at some point in 2018. It is already under development, and everyone currently on staff has seen it and knows what I'm talking about.

Before I went to jail, I had almost completed a mobile site based on the Zurb Foundation framework. X decided to start all over from scratch using Bootstrap because it is more cohesive with the later versions of vbulletin which we plan on upgrading to because those are also built on Bootstrap.
I know from personal experience that rewriting the front end is not hard at all. The hard part will be coding some of the new features we plan to have. Also, if and when we upgrade vbulletin, we are likely to lose a lot of features we currently enjoy because they come from mods and plug-ins for which there are no equivalent in the latter versions.

I mean, I guess you can just set size limitations in the HTML and create a responsive site like that, but that's a pretty crappy way to build. PHP is a pretty old language and doesn't really have any of the advantages that a modern framework would have.

I'm not a PHP guy since it's an older paradigm that I don't really see a need for in the modern day, but here's what I see wrong with doing it that way....

Lack of newer plugins and packages due to PHP being outdated.

A responsive PHP/HTML would struggle a lot with speed because of too many calls to the api due to the lack of a proper state container.

Lack of mobile browser caching beyond what HTML provides that I'm aware of.

Lack of a single page design that would limit calls to the server.

Speed is the name of the game in mobile, and PHP sacrifices a lot of the advantages that most pages get in the modern era.

I have spent a lot of time working on front end architecture, and I really think that building a site of this size in PHP is a really bad idea. For a real mobile site, to me you would rewrite most of the front-end.

There are some sites out there that PHP is still useful for. Letsbeef is probably not one of them, I think it's too large and complex for a really good PHP mobile app. Other frameworks were designed largely to help deal with complexity on the frontend.

A LB mobile site today would better than what we have now, but I strongly suspect would struggle with performance. Ideally the site would be re-written for mobile, but that's a lot of work and I guess I get why that won't happen.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by NOBLE

That's not true. There will be a mobile site, probably at some point in 2018. It is already under development, and everyone currently on staff has seen it and knows what I'm talking about.

Before I went to jail, I had almost completed a mobile site based on the Zurb Foundation framework. X decided to start all over from scratch using Bootstrap because it is more cohesive with the later versions of vbulletin which we plan on upgrading to because those are also built on Bootstrap.
I know from personal experience that rewriting the front end is not hard at all. The hard part will be coding some of the new features we plan to have. Also, if and when we upgrade vbulletin, we are likely to lose a lot of features we currently enjoy because they come from mods and plug-ins for which there are no equivalent in the latter versions.

I mean, I guess you can just set size limitations in the HTML and create a responsive site like that, but that's a pretty crappy way to build. PHP is a pretty old language and doesn't really have any of the advantages that a modern framework would have.

I'm not a PHP guy since it's an older paradigm that I don't really see a need for in the modern day, but here's what I see wrong with doing it that way....

Lack of newer plugins and packages due to PHP being outdated.

A responsive PHP/HTML would struggle a lot with speed because of too many calls to the api due to the lack of a proper state container.

Lack of mobile browser caching beyond what HTML provides that I'm aware of.

Lack of a single page design that would limit calls to the server.

Speed is the name of the game in mobile, and PHP sacrifices a lot of the advantages that most pages get in the modern era.

I have spent a lot of time working on front end architecture, and I really think that building a site of this size in PHP is a really bad idea. For a real mobile site, to me you would rewrite most of the front-end.

There are some sites out there that PHP is still useful for. Letsbeef is probably not one of them, I think it's too large and complex for a really good PHP mobile app. Other frameworks were designed largely to help deal with complexity on the frontend.

A LB mobile site today would better than what we have now, but I strongly suspect would struggle with performance. Ideally the site would be re-written for mobile, but that's a lot of work and I guess I get why that won't happen.

Louie, NOBLE has basically been defending Pugz, X, basically anyone in charge since day one. I mean he used to bitch so much at me bitching about v4....now we're sitting here on v3 4 years later. The "wait and see" "it's happening" bollocks means fucking nothing.

Louie, NOBLE has basically been defending Pugz, X, basically anyone in charge since day one. I mean he used to bitch so much at me bitching about v4....now we're sitting here on v3 4 years later. The "wait and see" "it's happening" bollocks means fucking nothing.

[NOBLE]

Where in this thread have I defended anyone or said "wait and see?"

[NOBLE]

Where in this thread have I defended anyone or said "wait and see?"

Its not true that there won't be a mobile site. It'll probably be out in 2018.


In other words...wait and see.

Its not true that there won't be a mobile site. It'll probably be out in 2018.


In other words...wait and see.

[NOBLE]

I'm not telling you to wait though. I'm just giving my own guess as to when we may see a mobile LB, and the statement wasn't made to defend anyone. You don't have to wait if you don't want to.

[NOBLE]

I'm not telling you to wait though. I'm just giving my own guess as to when we may see a mobile LB, and the statement wasn't made to defend anyone. You don't have to wait if you don't want to.

[Godbody]

So I've decided LB is worth around $2,000. Not a dollar more

Old shitty code means almost nothing monetarilly...especially when half of the site's features are broken and it's much harder for a 3rd party to understand & compile shit based on someone else's code. Even worse if the existing code is rudimentary/sloppy because its the work of an amateur. Your headache becomes 10x worse

NOBLE pointed out how a lot of shit was coded for this specific version of vBulletin...this drives the value down even more. So basically whoever buys this site is literally forced to use this version vBulletin and miss out on all the innovations unless they can hire someone to code equivalent mods, while at the same time pouring money into a new vBulletin license (unless this old license transfers to newer versions)

If we're talking how much is LB worth in 2006/2007 it'd be five figures easily... Shit, paying for Exclusive Membership used to actually be a thing when LB v3 first dropped. Just imagine 50 people paying you $5/month. It's shit money but it's a residual $250/month. The site had 10x more visitors, if they ran ads at the time I imagine they made much more from ads than exclusive membership

[Godbody]

So I've decided LB is worth around $2,000. Not a dollar more

Old shitty code means almost nothing monetarilly...especially when half of the site's features are broken and it's much harder for a 3rd party to understand & compile shit based on someone else's code. Even worse if the existing code is rudimentary/sloppy because its the work of an amateur. Your headache becomes 10x worse

NOBLE pointed out how a lot of shit was coded for this specific version of vBulletin...this drives the value down even more. So basically whoever buys this site is literally forced to use this version vBulletin and miss out on all the innovations unless they can hire someone to code equivalent mods, while at the same time pouring money into a new vBulletin license (unless this old license transfers to newer versions)

If we're talking how much is LB worth in 2006/2007 it'd be five figures easily... Shit, paying for Exclusive Membership used to actually be a thing when LB v3 first dropped. Just imagine 50 people paying you $5/month. It's shit money but it's a residual $250/month. The site had 10x more visitors, if they ran ads at the time I imagine they made much more from ads than exclusive membership

Originally Posted by Godbody

So I've decided LB is worth around $2,000. Not a dollar more

Old shitty code means almost nothing monetarilly...especially when half of the site's features are broken and it's much harder for a 3rd party to understand & compile shit based on someone else's code. Even worse if the existing code is rudimentary/sloppy because its the work of an amateur. Your headache becomes 10x worse

NOBLE pointed out how a lot of shit was coded for this specific version of vBulletin...this drives the value down even more. So basically whoever buys this site is literally forced to use this version vBulletin and miss out on all the innovations unless they can hire someone to code equivalent mods, while at the same time pouring money into a new vBulletin license (unless this old license transfers to newer versions)

If we're talking how much is LB worth in 2006/2007 it'd be five figures easily... Shit, paying for Exclusive Membership used to actually be a thing when LB v3 first dropped. Just imagine 50 people paying you $5/month. It's shit money but it's a residual $250/month. The site had 10x more visitors, if they ran ads at the time I imagine they made much more from ads than exclusive membership

Yeah right now, you're not buying any userbase. You're buying a brand, and SEO. There is the potential for existing users to return based on the brand, shown by he short spike of activity in X's return.

But essentially, there is no userbase right now. In 2006/2007, you had an insane userbase of thousands every day.

Originally Posted by Godbody

So I've decided LB is worth around $2,000. Not a dollar more

Old shitty code means almost nothing monetarilly...especially when half of the site's features are broken and it's much harder for a 3rd party to understand & compile shit based on someone else's code. Even worse if the existing code is rudimentary/sloppy because its the work of an amateur. Your headache becomes 10x worse

NOBLE pointed out how a lot of shit was coded for this specific version of vBulletin...this drives the value down even more. So basically whoever buys this site is literally forced to use this version vBulletin and miss out on all the innovations unless they can hire someone to code equivalent mods, while at the same time pouring money into a new vBulletin license (unless this old license transfers to newer versions)

If we're talking how much is LB worth in 2006/2007 it'd be five figures easily... Shit, paying for Exclusive Membership used to actually be a thing when LB v3 first dropped. Just imagine 50 people paying you $5/month. It's shit money but it's a residual $250/month. The site had 10x more visitors, if they ran ads at the time I imagine they made much more from ads than exclusive membership

Yeah right now, you're not buying any userbase. You're buying a brand, and SEO. There is the potential for existing users to return based on the brand, shown by he short spike of activity in X's return.

But essentially, there is no userbase right now. In 2006/2007, you had an insane userbase of thousands every day.