Political Correctness

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

Because PC only stops a debate before it happens. And creates an environment that makes you afraid to speak your mind. It hinders freedom of speech. As well as implies that the correctness sought merits the morals professed. Meaning, that if you don't agree with what's being protected you are morally wrong.

I get what you're saying. So political correctness is at odds with freedom of speech because political correctness restricts speech that may be deemed offensive to someone, when literally anything a person says is bound to offend someone. You could go around telling people "I love you" and someone is bound to get offended.
It is perfectly reasonable to expect and demand freedom of speech in modern society, but is it reasonable to expect and demand freedom from the consequences of one's speech? If I make a statement saying I'm going to blow Donald Trump's lid off with a Smith & Wesson XVR 460 Magnum, is it reasonable for me to expect and demand that the Secret Service not put me on their watch-list because I'm only practicing my free speech prerogative?

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

Because PC only stops a debate before it happens. And creates an environment that makes you afraid to speak your mind. It hinders freedom of speech. As well as implies that the correctness sought merits the morals professed. Meaning, that if you don't agree with what's being protected you are morally wrong.

I get what you're saying. So political correctness is at odds with freedom of speech because political correctness restricts speech that may be deemed offensive to someone, when literally anything a person says is bound to offend someone. You could go around telling people "I love you" and someone is bound to get offended.
It is perfectly reasonable to expect and demand freedom of speech in modern society, but is it reasonable to expect and demand freedom from the consequences of one's speech? If I make a statement saying I'm going to blow Donald Trump's lid off with a Smith & Wesson XVR 460 Magnum, is it reasonable for me to expect and demand that the Secret Service not put me on their watch-list because I'm only practicing my free speech prerogative?

The fuck.

The fuck.

[Babylon]

"Political correctness" is often nothing more but a way to pussyfoot around your beliefs and/or silence/deafen beliefs you disagree with. The moment you begin discrediting potentially valid worldviews for the sake of not offending people who are involved with another worldview, you INSTANTLY spark a degenerative slope of propagating echo-chambers of safespace in place of critical thinking & the BEAUTY of being offended and challenged.

A large extension of this ideology, I think, boils down to SJWs, shining leftists and snowflakes alike don't see the positivity in being proven wrong. You cannot be 100% correct on 100% of the things you believe in. Being challenged on those topics by another human who is just as passionate & critical about their worldviews as you are is one of the most healthy forms of communication we still have.

[Babylon]

"Political correctness" is often nothing more but a way to pussyfoot around your beliefs and/or silence/deafen beliefs you disagree with. The moment you begin discrediting potentially valid worldviews for the sake of not offending people who are involved with another worldview, you INSTANTLY spark a degenerative slope of propagating echo-chambers of safespace in place of critical thinking & the BEAUTY of being offended and challenged.

A large extension of this ideology, I think, boils down to SJWs, shining leftists and snowflakes alike don't see the positivity in being proven wrong. You cannot be 100% correct on 100% of the things you believe in. Being challenged on those topics by another human who is just as passionate & critical about their worldviews as you are is one of the most healthy forms of communication we still have.

I find it odd that there have been a few posts talking as if political correctness is a left-wing invention. I've always viewed it as a term used by the right to shut down the argument, not the other way around. I've never heard a left-wing commentator dismiss a right-wing person's views as politically correct rubbish? Quite the other way around.

How are we defining politically correct? Equal rights for all & the end of minority discrimination? We would all be for that would we not?

I find it odd that there have been a few posts talking as if political correctness is a left-wing invention. I've always viewed it as a term used by the right to shut down the argument, not the other way around. I've never heard a left-wing commentator dismiss a right-wing person's views as politically correct rubbish? Quite the other way around.

How are we defining politically correct? Equal rights for all & the end of minority discrimination? We would all be for that would we not?

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

I find it odd that there have been a few posts talking as if political correctness is a left-wing invention. I've always viewed it as a term used by the right to shut down the argument, not the other way around. I've never heard a left-wing commentator dismiss a right-wing person's views as politically correct rubbish? Quite the other way around.

How are we defining politically correct? Equal rights for all & the end of minority discrimination? We would all be for that would we not?

Well anyone can be under the umbrella of political correctness despite what groups you fall into, but recently I've seen this "Political correctness" brigade being leaps more popular in the social justice warrior/millennial left movements, which led me to quote who I did in my original post. Though you are completely correct legitimately anyone can be a little pc bitch.

I'd also like to note that I think soft political correctness is alright, because at the same time I'm bashing these fucks I also stand for baseline equality.. especially within groups like gays or minority races. I just also understand that the inclusion of soft political correctness & the atmosphere we're in today just breeds the echochamber ideology. We've gotta take the good with the bad I suppose

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

I find it odd that there have been a few posts talking as if political correctness is a left-wing invention. I've always viewed it as a term used by the right to shut down the argument, not the other way around. I've never heard a left-wing commentator dismiss a right-wing person's views as politically correct rubbish? Quite the other way around.

How are we defining politically correct? Equal rights for all & the end of minority discrimination? We would all be for that would we not?

Well anyone can be under the umbrella of political correctness despite what groups you fall into, but recently I've seen this "Political correctness" brigade being leaps more popular in the social justice warrior/millennial left movements, which led me to quote who I did in my original post. Though you are completely correct legitimately anyone can be a little pc bitch.

I'd also like to note that I think soft political correctness is alright, because at the same time I'm bashing these fucks I also stand for baseline equality.. especially within groups like gays or minority races. I just also understand that the inclusion of soft political correctness & the atmosphere we're in today just breeds the echochamber ideology. We've gotta take the good with the bad I suppose

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

You define being politically correct that way. I define it as your definition being the shield you use to avoid actual debate. Your last 3 questions exemplifies the problem with pc.

You've lost me. How would you define it?

Originally Posted by babylon

Well anyone can be under the umbrella of political correctness despite what groups you fall into, but recently I've seen this "Political correctness" brigade being leaps more popular in the social justice warrior/millennial left movements, which led me to quote who I did in my original post. Though you are completely correct legitimately anyone can be a little pc bitch.

I'd also like to note that I think soft political correctness is alright, because at the same time I'm bashing these fucks I also stand for baseline equality.. especially within groups like gays or minority races. I just also understand that the inclusion of soft political correctness & the atmosphere we're in today just breeds the echochamber ideology. We've gotta take the good with the bad I suppose

This is why I don't like the term. It's way too vague hence my mentioning that we need to define it before we can even begin to debate it. Even then, what's the point? Wouldn't the time be better spent debating the social issues that it relates to in the first place.

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

You define being politically correct that way. I define it as your definition being the shield you use to avoid actual debate. Your last 3 questions exemplifies the problem with pc.

You've lost me. How would you define it?

Originally Posted by babylon

Well anyone can be under the umbrella of political correctness despite what groups you fall into, but recently I've seen this "Political correctness" brigade being leaps more popular in the social justice warrior/millennial left movements, which led me to quote who I did in my original post. Though you are completely correct legitimately anyone can be a little pc bitch.

I'd also like to note that I think soft political correctness is alright, because at the same time I'm bashing these fucks I also stand for baseline equality.. especially within groups like gays or minority races. I just also understand that the inclusion of soft political correctness & the atmosphere we're in today just breeds the echochamber ideology. We've gotta take the good with the bad I suppose

This is why I don't like the term. It's way too vague hence my mentioning that we need to define it before we can even begin to debate it. Even then, what's the point? Wouldn't the time be better spent debating the social issues that it relates to in the first place.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

How would you define it

Pc definition: A human minority female fag shield used by communists and globalists. Often equipped by the white knight legion of marxists fart sniffers. It enables it's wearer the ability to call people, fascists, xenophobic and racists at will. As well, as blocks debate around the pussy. It's over 9000 penises strong.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Nicholas

How would you define it

Pc definition: A human minority female fag shield used by communists and globalists. Often equipped by the white knight legion of marxists fart sniffers. It enables it's wearer the ability to call people, fascists, xenophobic and racists at will. As well, as blocks debate around the pussy. It's over 9000 penises strong.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

Pc definition: A human minority female fag shield used by communists and globalists. Often equipped by the white knight legion of marxists fart sniffers. It enables it's wearer the ability to call people, fascists, xenophobic and racists at will. As well, as blocks debate around the pussy. It's over 9000 penises strong.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

Pc definition: A human minority female fag shield used by communists and globalists. Often equipped by the white knight legion of marxists fart sniffers. It enables it's wearer the ability to call people, fascists, xenophobic and racists at will. As well, as blocks debate around the pussy. It's over 9000 penises strong.

[NOBLE]

The point I was trying to make is that it is no less unreasonable--- for one to expect to not face consequences such as being fired from their job or being called a racist/homophobe/bigot (etc.) if they (especially as a public figure) use racial slurs or make disparaging comments towards LGBTQ or other minorities by the "PC" people ---as it is for me to expect to not face the Secret Service or some other consequence if I use my free speech in a certain way toward the President of the United States.
What's a "threat" can be subjective, and some people in minority groups perceive certain disparaging or insensitive statements to be just as threatening when it comes from high-profile and influential people. For example, it can be statistically proven that there has been a spike in hate crimes against people of certain ethnic backgrounds since Donald Trump has made disparaging comments against Muslims. So is it unreasonable for them to be "PC" about Donald Trump's choice of words?

[NOBLE]

The point I was trying to make is that it is no less unreasonable--- for one to expect to not face consequences such as being fired from their job or being called a racist/homophobe/bigot (etc.) if they (especially as a public figure) use racial slurs or make disparaging comments towards LGBTQ or other minorities by the "PC" people ---as it is for me to expect to not face the Secret Service or some other consequence if I use my free speech in a certain way toward the President of the United States.
What's a "threat" can be subjective, and some people in minority groups perceive certain disparaging or insensitive statements to be just as threatening when it comes from high-profile and influential people. For example, it can be statistically proven that there has been a spike in hate crimes against people of certain ethnic backgrounds since Donald Trump has made disparaging comments against Muslims. So is it unreasonable for them to be "PC" about Donald Trump's choice of words?

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Swagga Lee

The point I was trying to make is that it is no less unreasonable--- for one to expect to not face consequences such as being fired from their job or being called a racist/homophobe/bigot (etc.) if they (especially as a public figure) use racial slurs or make disparaging comments towards LGBTQ or other minorities by the "PC" people ---as it is for me to expect to not face the Secret Service or some other consequence if I use my free speech in a certain way toward the President of the United States.
What's a "threat" can be subjective, and some people in minority groups perceive certain disparaging or insensitive statements to be just as threatening when it comes from high-profile and influential people. For example, it can be statistically proven that there has been a spike in hate crimes against people of certain ethnic backgrounds since Donald Trump has made disparaging comments against Muslims. So is it unreasonable for them to be "PC" about Donald Trump's choice of words?

The major difference is one is about freedom of political views and the other is about physically harming someone. It's really not comparable. And saying let's kill someone isn't the same as saying enforce the laws or stating a factual statement people may not agree with. Some people might say black people are violent, should they be fired? What if it was pc to say that? Then in that case should a black person be fired for saying there's systemic racism? Slippery slope. *edit* and let's make it clear, there's a distinction between not being pc and using hate speech or being a racists. They're not synonymous with each other.

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Originally Posted by Nicholas

Well, I guess that ends our conversation. If you're not capable of discussing a subject without this kind of post I'm not going to waste my time.



Oh OK, my mistake. Yeah, I agree of course that is wrong.

I understand what you're saying but I am going to call you a pedant as whilst a fascist regime might not inherently be tied to discrimination it is characteristic of those in recent history. Also, Nazi Germany seems like a bad example to use. It was a very racist regime as well as anti-semitic.

That's my 100% honest definition. It's bullshit. And a joke honestly. Btw you've said nothing in 6 comments we were done long ago homie.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Swagga Lee

The point I was trying to make is that it is no less unreasonable--- for one to expect to not face consequences such as being fired from their job or being called a racist/homophobe/bigot (etc.) if they (especially as a public figure) use racial slurs or make disparaging comments towards LGBTQ or other minorities by the "PC" people ---as it is for me to expect to not face the Secret Service or some other consequence if I use my free speech in a certain way toward the President of the United States.
What's a "threat" can be subjective, and some people in minority groups perceive certain disparaging or insensitive statements to be just as threatening when it comes from high-profile and influential people. For example, it can be statistically proven that there has been a spike in hate crimes against people of certain ethnic backgrounds since Donald Trump has made disparaging comments against Muslims. So is it unreasonable for them to be "PC" about Donald Trump's choice of words?

The major difference is one is about freedom of political views and the other is about physically harming someone. It's really not comparable. And saying let's kill someone isn't the same as saying enforce the laws or stating a factual statement people may not agree with. Some people might say black people are violent, should they be fired? What if it was pc to say that? Then in that case should a black person be fired for saying there's systemic racism? Slippery slope. *edit* and let's make it clear, there's a distinction between not being pc and using hate speech or being a racists. They're not synonymous with each other.

---------- Post added at 10:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:45 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Nicholas

Well, I guess that ends our conversation. If you're not capable of discussing a subject without this kind of post I'm not going to waste my time.



Oh OK, my mistake. Yeah, I agree of course that is wrong.

I understand what you're saying but I am going to call you a pedant as whilst a fascist regime might not inherently be tied to discrimination it is characteristic of those in recent history. Also, Nazi Germany seems like a bad example to use. It was a very racist regime as well as anti-semitic.

That's my 100% honest definition. It's bullshit. And a joke honestly. Btw you've said nothing in 6 comments we were done long ago homie.