Old vets or new vets? - Page 4 - Lets Beef

#1 03-31-2014, 12:54 AM

Anyone else find the title of thread kind of odd? Old vets? New vets? What's the difference besides supposed skill level? Just call them vets and go by the years they started or something. Old vets is a bit redundant though.

03-31-2014, 12:54 AM

Anyone else find the title of thread kind of odd? Old vets? New vets? What's the difference besides supposed skill level? Just call them vets and go by the years they started or something. Old vets is a bit redundant though.

#2 03-31-2014, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOCKHART

Anyone else find the title of thread kind of odd?

no, go away

03-31-2014, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOCKHART

Anyone else find the title of thread kind of odd?

no, go away

**MAN DOWN** · #3 03-31-2014, 01:19 AM

***** Old heads vs new heads Official Tourney *****

**MAN DOWN** · 03-31-2014, 01:19 AM

***** Old heads vs new heads Official Tourney *****

#4 03-31-2014, 07:45 AM

I didn't read the whole thing, but I can tell you that Grizz and Dissizit specifically don't understand wordplay. Rican used to be susceptible to this but he's worked hard on it recently. I'll go to the tournament now and I should be able to get an example from one of their battles.

Basically, wordplay all comes down to the grammar of the line when it's worded both ways. Because of Rican and Pulse who had a surge of this style on the site a few years ago, it's taken over now.

Dissizit
But now you're all alone, So “Rupt puns'll not CARRY YOU THIS TIME”!
---
But now you're all alone, So Rapunzel not CARRY YOU THIS TIME
---

In the first line, it worked because he had the tense on "puns'll" working. Because this is not present in the second line, the grammar gets thrown completely off. "Rapunzel not carry you".

(Furthermore, everyone would pronounce the T at the end of "Rupt", which means the "Rup'" sound in the WP doesn't match exactly.

GrizzEAT

so w/ a bitch like "I? our essential links, will have his mom askin : AWWW, DID IT HURT?"(I.R.S.SentYouLinks/audited)
---
So with a bitch like IRS sent you links will have his mom asking audit hurt

Once again, when you write it both ways, you can see that the grammar is 100% off. Furthermore, Grizz is one of the best on the site right? In the high standard era.

I.R.S. Sent You Links
I-Our-Our-Ess-Ent-Shall-Links

Our / R
You-Tial (Shall)

Wordplay is completely off.

I just picked these two from their last tournament battles. Now anyone can say "Oh, EtH sucks, why listen to him?" but forget that and read above and tell me if I'm wrong. @Erupt had a big influence on these guys fucking up. Erupt promoted that everyone gets rid of the "Like" style of punches, and these guys really listened and tried to get rid of it. The difference is, Erupt doesn't have the technical downsides that these guys have, so it's not a problem for him. With Diss and Grizz, like shown above, when they try and execute it more originally they sacrifice working the wordplay out correctly, can sometimes not have exact sounding wordplay in the first place (step 1 in wordplay) and the grammar disappears.

EDIT: Problem is, they don't get called on it. I remember RULE promoted ILL Vs Diss as an "AMAZING battle". I thought it was a horrible showing by two of the best in the site. The difference between both was, ILL came to me, looking for ways that he could improve his verse and didn't want to be taken in too much by the low standard required for high voting these days.

EDIT 2: From being on the hunt for catching people biting on LB, I ended up reading A LOT of Pr0blem's stuff. I have no doubt that everyone has a read a line directly bitten from him somewhere on here. Him and KingOfSparta are the two most bitten from text battlers of all time.

03-31-2014, 07:45 AM

I didn't read the whole thing, but I can tell you that Grizz and Dissizit specifically don't understand wordplay. Rican used to be susceptible to this but he's worked hard on it recently. I'll go to the tournament now and I should be able to get an example from one of their battles.

Basically, wordplay all comes down to the grammar of the line when it's worded both ways. Because of Rican and Pulse who had a surge of this style on the site a few years ago, it's taken over now.

Dissizit
But now you're all alone, So “Rupt puns'll not CARRY YOU THIS TIME”!
---
But now you're all alone, So Rapunzel not CARRY YOU THIS TIME
---

In the first line, it worked because he had the tense on "puns'll" working. Because this is not present in the second line, the grammar gets thrown completely off. "Rapunzel not carry you".

(Furthermore, everyone would pronounce the T at the end of "Rupt", which means the "Rup'" sound in the WP doesn't match exactly.

GrizzEAT

so w/ a bitch like "I? our essential links, will have his mom askin : AWWW, DID IT HURT?"(I.R.S.SentYouLinks/audited)
---
So with a bitch like IRS sent you links will have his mom asking audit hurt

Once again, when you write it both ways, you can see that the grammar is 100% off. Furthermore, Grizz is one of the best on the site right? In the high standard era.

I.R.S. Sent You Links
I-Our-Our-Ess-Ent-Shall-Links

Our / R
You-Tial (Shall)

Wordplay is completely off.

I just picked these two from their last tournament battles. Now anyone can say "Oh, EtH sucks, why listen to him?" but forget that and read above and tell me if I'm wrong. @Erupt had a big influence on these guys fucking up. Erupt promoted that everyone gets rid of the "Like" style of punches, and these guys really listened and tried to get rid of it. The difference is, Erupt doesn't have the technical downsides that these guys have, so it's not a problem for him. With Diss and Grizz, like shown above, when they try and execute it more originally they sacrifice working the wordplay out correctly, can sometimes not have exact sounding wordplay in the first place (step 1 in wordplay) and the grammar disappears.

EDIT: Problem is, they don't get called on it. I remember RULE promoted ILL Vs Diss as an "AMAZING battle". I thought it was a horrible showing by two of the best in the site. The difference between both was, ILL came to me, looking for ways that he could improve his verse and didn't want to be taken in too much by the low standard required for high voting these days.

EDIT 2: From being on the hunt for catching people biting on LB, I ended up reading A LOT of Pr0blem's stuff. I have no doubt that everyone has a read a line directly bitten from him somewhere on here. Him and KingOfSparta are the two most bitten from text battlers of all time.

#5 03-31-2014, 09:12 AM

I think it dosen't matter if they old or new people say "HIP HOP WAS BETTER BACK IN THE OLD SCHOOL DAYS" but I don't think thats true it depends on the person who is making the rap, the mainstream is garbage used to brainwash kids but the underground is still great if you know what to look for. Old vs New does not matter because there was wack/dope people in the past and there is the same in the present.

03-31-2014, 09:12 AM

I think it dosen't matter if they old or new people say "HIP HOP WAS BETTER BACK IN THE OLD SCHOOL DAYS" but I don't think thats true it depends on the person who is making the rap, the mainstream is garbage used to brainwash kids but the underground is still great if you know what to look for. Old vs New does not matter because there was wack/dope people in the past and there is the same in the present.

**ET the Refugee** · #6 03-31-2014, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperGuy

I think it dosen't matter if they old or new people say "HIP HOP WAS BETTER BACK IN THE OLD SCHOOL DAYS" but I don't think thats true it depends on the person who is making the rap, the mainstream is garbage used to brainwash kids but the underground is still great if you know what to look for. Old vs New does not matter because there was wack/dope people in the past and there is the same in the present.

True that shit. Big Daddy Kane and Rakim were just as slick as Kendrick Lamar and Jay Z

**ET the Refugee** · 03-31-2014, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperGuy

I think it dosen't matter if they old or new people say "HIP HOP WAS BETTER BACK IN THE OLD SCHOOL DAYS" but I don't think thats true it depends on the person who is making the rap, the mainstream is garbage used to brainwash kids but the underground is still great if you know what to look for. Old vs New does not matter because there was wack/dope people in the past and there is the same in the present.

True that shit. Big Daddy Kane and Rakim were just as slick as Kendrick Lamar and Jay Z

**RULE** · #7 03-31-2014, 10:13 AM

Y'all be asking the wrong question.

It shouldnt be asking what era was the best, but WHO is the best NOW.

1/

**RULE** · 03-31-2014, 10:13 AM

Y'all be asking the wrong question.

It shouldnt be asking what era was the best, but WHO is the best NOW.

1/

#8 03-31-2014, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RULE

Y'all be asking the wrong question.

It shouldnt be asking what era was the best, but WHO is the best NOW.

1/

exactly

03-31-2014, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RULE

Y'all be asking the wrong question.

It shouldnt be asking what era was the best, but WHO is the best NOW.

1/

exactly

#9 03-31-2014, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAME'S BITCH

Rupt is right,People SHOULD get rid of the Like style punches or popularly known Similes. I think Rupt meant that people should plunge into more metaphors and make people actually think about that line.

Only if it's not sacrificing your line.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RULE

Y'all be asking the wrong question.

It shouldnt be asking what era was the best, but WHO is the best NOW.

1/

I disagree. Everyone should want to be the greatest of all time, fuck being the best of a bad bunch.

03-31-2014, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAME'S BITCH

Rupt is right,People SHOULD get rid of the Like style punches or popularly known Similes. I think Rupt meant that people should plunge into more metaphors and make people actually think about that line.

Only if it's not sacrificing your line.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RULE

Y'all be asking the wrong question.

It shouldnt be asking what era was the best, but WHO is the best NOW.

1/

I disagree. Everyone should want to be the greatest of all time, fuck being the best of a bad bunch.

**RULE** · #10 03-31-2014, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

I disagree. Everyone should want to be the greatest of all time, fuck being the best of a bad bunch.

You gotta be top of the class before your top of the school.

**RULE** · 03-31-2014, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave

I disagree. Everyone should want to be the greatest of all time, fuck being the best of a bad bunch.

You gotta be top of the class before your top of the school.


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