So, I know this shit sounds crazy but

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by King John

Well for one the earth isn't 6,000 years old like the bible says, but that one's too easy, here's a question I've never gotten a good answer too. If God is all all knowing, meaning that he knows what we're going to do before we do it, how do we have freewill? If God knows what you're gonna do that means your actions are already predetermined, thus freewill is an illusion. On the other hand if we truly have freewill that means God doesn't know what we're going to do, which means he wouldn't be all knowing. Explain that for me.

I'm not a theist, and this is a high quality argument.

If I were to play advocate of the theist stance, however, I'd have to go the calvinist route and side with the concept of predestination.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by King John

Well for one the earth isn't 6,000 years old like the bible says, but that one's too easy, here's a question I've never gotten a good answer too. If God is all all knowing, meaning that he knows what we're going to do before we do it, how do we have freewill? If God knows what you're gonna do that means your actions are already predetermined, thus freewill is an illusion. On the other hand if we truly have freewill that means God doesn't know what we're going to do, which means he wouldn't be all knowing. Explain that for me.

I'm not a theist, and this is a high quality argument.

If I were to play advocate of the theist stance, however, I'd have to go the calvinist route and side with the concept of predestination.

[King John]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

I'm not a theist, and this is a high quality argument.

If I were to play advocate of the theist stance, however, I'd have to go the calvinist route and side with the concept of predestination.

That's what I'm saying though, if our lives are predetermined, then we don't really have freewill, thus we can't really be held responsible for our actions if they were always meant to be. Like if it was predetermined that Hitler was going to kill millions of Jews even before he was born, how can he be punished in the after life if there was nothing he could do to stop his fate?

[King John]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

I'm not a theist, and this is a high quality argument.

If I were to play advocate of the theist stance, however, I'd have to go the calvinist route and side with the concept of predestination.

That's what I'm saying though, if our lives are predetermined, then we don't really have freewill, thus we can't really be held responsible for our actions if they were always meant to be. Like if it was predetermined that Hitler was going to kill millions of Jews even before he was born, how can he be punished in the after life if there was nothing he could do to stop his fate?

[TheStudent]

Oh Man, Good Thread, I'll Reply Accordingly.

[TheStudent]

Oh Man, Good Thread, I'll Reply Accordingly.

Originally Posted by Jason

prove me wrong

Kent Hovind over here.

Originally Posted by Jason

prove me wrong

Kent Hovind over here.

[GenKhysQ]

I predict this thread will get to 30 pages, Louie, you're good

another letsbeef forum hit

[GenKhysQ]

I predict this thread will get to 30 pages, Louie, you're good

another letsbeef forum hit

[GenKhysQ]

Anyway, seeing that this thread is actually getting serious.

we all should be aware that the topic of discussion here is actually about an "innovated/invented" "system"...

regardless of whatever, be it religion, politics...........

the "rule of mass" messes up the real reality vs. created reality dimensions. say, if there were 10 people on earth, if 9 of them think/believe in the same thing, and 1 deviate or think differently, that 1 person can be thought of as either a "rebel" or a "savior". there is actually only a very thin line between the two. There was a lot of other paths and outcomes "the world" could've taken. but why are we ending up the way we are???...

a few survived as "saviors" and are more sustainable because they get positive reinforcements..........."rebels" get treated the opposite......well also depends on a lot of countless numbers of factors so there is no point goin into details but mostly depends on the subjectivity of the world, the aggregate mind state. the aggregate mind state of the world or mass if you'd like is very spontaneous , always ongoing. the only way to understand everything better is if everything stopped but that can never happen.

most humans are only capable of thinking within the "scope of the KNOWN"......... you mix and match, borrow this from that, combine this and that..call it "development" still ...."innovation/invention" and "development" are completely on different levels.. developments are easier to achieve and takes less of a genius. but really we cant compare the two. personally, i believe in the future, whatever goes on in this world will only be a fragment. we will be working our minds on a "universal level".. i mean. more than just humans maybe?... ha i dont know... a possibility exist, cant quantify it but its not zero%

be an "innovator" and you'll see how dull everything really is, and you'll see much more

[GenKhysQ]

Anyway, seeing that this thread is actually getting serious.

we all should be aware that the topic of discussion here is actually about an "innovated/invented" "system"...

regardless of whatever, be it religion, politics...........

the "rule of mass" messes up the real reality vs. created reality dimensions. say, if there were 10 people on earth, if 9 of them think/believe in the same thing, and 1 deviate or think differently, that 1 person can be thought of as either a "rebel" or a "savior". there is actually only a very thin line between the two. There was a lot of other paths and outcomes "the world" could've taken. but why are we ending up the way we are???...

a few survived as "saviors" and are more sustainable because they get positive reinforcements..........."rebels" get treated the opposite......well also depends on a lot of countless numbers of factors so there is no point goin into details but mostly depends on the subjectivity of the world, the aggregate mind state. the aggregate mind state of the world or mass if you'd like is very spontaneous , always ongoing. the only way to understand everything better is if everything stopped but that can never happen.

most humans are only capable of thinking within the "scope of the KNOWN"......... you mix and match, borrow this from that, combine this and that..call it "development" still ...."innovation/invention" and "development" are completely on different levels.. developments are easier to achieve and takes less of a genius. but really we cant compare the two. personally, i believe in the future, whatever goes on in this world will only be a fragment. we will be working our minds on a "universal level".. i mean. more than just humans maybe?... ha i dont know... a possibility exist, cant quantify it but its not zero%

be an "innovator" and you'll see how dull everything really is, and you'll see much more

[Catharsis]

*Lights Blunt*
Matter is only energy condensed to a vibration, thus making the particles connect in harmony, for what we call isochronous waves...or sympathetic vibrations. With these sympathetic vibrations initiating resonance at a distance there can be no truly isolated molecule in the universe..so everything is connected...
The study of music is the study of the individual vibrations or pitches and their interrelations between each other... and their association one to another....music and physics...heavy shit.
and supposedly if you can tune your body to vibrate at the resonant frequency...it releases DMT in your brain during your conscious state... inducing a fully lucid dream during your waking day...or in simple terms..the sickest trip of all time.
*Puts out blunt*

[Catharsis]

*Lights Blunt*
Matter is only energy condensed to a vibration, thus making the particles connect in harmony, for what we call isochronous waves...or sympathetic vibrations. With these sympathetic vibrations initiating resonance at a distance there can be no truly isolated molecule in the universe..so everything is connected...
The study of music is the study of the individual vibrations or pitches and their interrelations between each other... and their association one to another....music and physics...heavy shit.
and supposedly if you can tune your body to vibrate at the resonant frequency...it releases DMT in your brain during your conscious state... inducing a fully lucid dream during your waking day...or in simple terms..the sickest trip of all time.
*Puts out blunt*

[King John]

Originally Posted by E-Robz

*Lights Blunt*
Matter is only energy condensed to a vibration, thus making the particles connect in harmony, for what we call isochronous waves...or sympathetic vibrations. With these sympathetic vibrations initiating resonance at a distancected...
The study of music is the study of the individual vibrations or pitches and their interrelations between each other... and their association one to an there can be no truly isolated molecule in the universe..so everything is conneother....music and physics...heavy shit.
and supposedly if you can tune your body to vibrate at the resonant frequency...it releases DMT in your brain during your conscious state... inducing a fully lucid dream during your waking day...or in simple terms..the sickest trip of all time.
*Puts out blunt*

*Thumbs up*, I've been saying the part about "everything is connected," for awhile and the part about music vibrations is spot on too. I was in an audio engineering class and we were discussing vibration and frequencies and that thought clicked in my head too. Everything is vibrations, human beings can only hear from a set points of high and low frequencies, so it would make sense that we can only see and feel a set point of high and low frequencies, meaning that anything above or below those frequencies would be invisible to us.

[King John]

Originally Posted by E-Robz

*Lights Blunt*
Matter is only energy condensed to a vibration, thus making the particles connect in harmony, for what we call isochronous waves...or sympathetic vibrations. With these sympathetic vibrations initiating resonance at a distancected...
The study of music is the study of the individual vibrations or pitches and their interrelations between each other... and their association one to an there can be no truly isolated molecule in the universe..so everything is conneother....music and physics...heavy shit.
and supposedly if you can tune your body to vibrate at the resonant frequency...it releases DMT in your brain during your conscious state... inducing a fully lucid dream during your waking day...or in simple terms..the sickest trip of all time.
*Puts out blunt*

*Thumbs up*, I've been saying the part about "everything is connected," for awhile and the part about music vibrations is spot on too. I was in an audio engineering class and we were discussing vibration and frequencies and that thought clicked in my head too. Everything is vibrations, human beings can only hear from a set points of high and low frequencies, so it would make sense that we can only see and feel a set point of high and low frequencies, meaning that anything above or below those frequencies would be invisible to us.

[FreezyCT]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

well um, the creation story? that's a flaw because like...it's not true. The with the earth standing still, the worldwide flood, and the whatnot.

there are plenty of contradictions in the bible. i'm not going to list them here, you can google around and find extensive lists.

We'll just go over a few basic idiocies of christianity. Like, the fact that every word is inspired. You know, even the ones taken from different texts and placed into different translations. Yep.

The fact that christians can't even decide what should or shouldn't go in the bible. You know, because god wants you to hear his word, just not to know which parts of the bible really contain it.

I could go on, but it's idiotic.

when you try to bring science into religion, then yes - you get ppl like this...

first of all - if you know about the bible, then you know its a collection of stories of how people interpreted their time - whether that be on this earth, or with jesus...its nothing more than someones recognition of what went on

now i ask you, how is that any different from our world history?

when i look at an apple, i may see something completely different than what you see...ya its an apple, but i may be hungry at the time - so i see the apple as food - you could be full and looking at the same apple...you know where im going

history is the same...stories passed down from someone's perspective that could be 100% different if someone different was asked......as a member of that faith, you are asked to believe the stories that get passed down, no matter how rediculous, because thats the epitome of faith

[FreezyCT]

Originally Posted by Louie Dawgs

well um, the creation story? that's a flaw because like...it's not true. The with the earth standing still, the worldwide flood, and the whatnot.

there are plenty of contradictions in the bible. i'm not going to list them here, you can google around and find extensive lists.

We'll just go over a few basic idiocies of christianity. Like, the fact that every word is inspired. You know, even the ones taken from different texts and placed into different translations. Yep.

The fact that christians can't even decide what should or shouldn't go in the bible. You know, because god wants you to hear his word, just not to know which parts of the bible really contain it.

I could go on, but it's idiotic.

when you try to bring science into religion, then yes - you get ppl like this...

first of all - if you know about the bible, then you know its a collection of stories of how people interpreted their time - whether that be on this earth, or with jesus...its nothing more than someones recognition of what went on

now i ask you, how is that any different from our world history?

when i look at an apple, i may see something completely different than what you see...ya its an apple, but i may be hungry at the time - so i see the apple as food - you could be full and looking at the same apple...you know where im going

history is the same...stories passed down from someone's perspective that could be 100% different if someone different was asked......as a member of that faith, you are asked to believe the stories that get passed down, no matter how rediculous, because thats the epitome of faith

[Anonymous_Poet]

I can understand how you say you communist if you had lived under the Communist Rule. However if u just like it because the idea sounds cool then believe me...you will hate it in practice

[Anonymous_Poet]

I can understand how you say you communist if you had lived under the Communist Rule. However if u just like it because the idea sounds cool then believe me...you will hate it in practice