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Well according to the bible, Jesus can’t be God, as God is all knowing and in Matthew 24:36
Jesus says: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only." This proves that Jesus is not God because if he was God he would be all knowing and he would know of the hour.
And again in John 5:30 Jesus says: “By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.”
Here you can see that Jesus and God are not one Jesus says: “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying on his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”
In Mark 10:18 Jesus says: “Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.” Here again he creates a separation between himself and God as he says “why do you call me good” then he goes on to say “No one is good, except God alone” This is 100% proof that Jesus is not God from the bible.

Also Jesus never said he was God nowhere in the bible.

So Streetz what makes you say that Jesus is God? By the way I’m not trying to disrespect you in any shape or form, I just want your point of view.

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Well according to the bible, Jesus can’t be God, as God is all knowing and in Matthew 24:36
Jesus says: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only." This proves that Jesus is not God because if he was God he would be all knowing and he would know of the hour.
And again in John 5:30 Jesus says: “By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.”
Here you can see that Jesus and God are not one Jesus says: “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying on his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”
In Mark 10:18 Jesus says: “Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.” Here again he creates a separation between himself and God as he says “why do you call me good” then he goes on to say “No one is good, except God alone” This is 100% proof that Jesus is not God from the bible.

Also Jesus never said he was God nowhere in the bible.

So Streetz what makes you say that Jesus is God? By the way I’m not trying to disrespect you in any shape or form, I just want your point of view.

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John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
John 10:30 is often used as proof that Jesus is God because like you said Jesus said, “I and the father are one.” But, then if you go on to read the next six verses, you will see Jesus explaining that his foes were wrong to think that he was saying he is God.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42).

This shows that jesus and God had two different wills, although Jesus submitted his will to the will of the Father. Two wills mean two separate individuals.

Also according to the bible Jesus said: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). If one of them forsaken the other, then they must be two separate entities. Right?

@JimmyDean Are you saying God came to earth as a Human? And Talks to himself and says Why have i forsaken myself? again no disrespect fam.

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@Fidel Z.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
John 10:30 is often used as proof that Jesus is God because like you said Jesus said, “I and the father are one.” But, then if you go on to read the next six verses, you will see Jesus explaining that his foes were wrong to think that he was saying he is God.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42).

This shows that jesus and God had two different wills, although Jesus submitted his will to the will of the Father. Two wills mean two separate individuals.

Also according to the bible Jesus said: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). If one of them forsaken the other, then they must be two separate entities. Right?

@JimmyDean Are you saying God came to earth as a Human? And Talks to himself and says Why have i forsaken myself? again no disrespect fam.

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John 10:30 is often used as proof that Jesus is God because like you said Jesus said, “I and the father are one.” But, then if you go on to read the next six verses, you will see Jesus explaining that his foes were wrong to think that he was saying he is God.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42).

This shows that jesus and God had two different wills, although Jesus submitted his will to the will of the Father. Two wills mean two separate individuals.

Also according to the bible Jesus said: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). If one of them forsaken the other, then they must be two separate entities. Right?

@JimmyDean Are you saying God came to earth as a Human? And Talks to himself and says Why have i forsaken myself? again no disrespect fam.
I don't argue scriptures vs scriptures. It's all God's word. All I wanted to do was point out where Jesus himself said it. Understanding the grey areas come when your relationship with God strengthens... You want to understand? Go to church, bible study, pray and read.
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John 10:30 is often used as proof that Jesus is God because like you said Jesus said, “I and the father are one.” But, then if you go on to read the next six verses, you will see Jesus explaining that his foes were wrong to think that he was saying he is God.

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42).

This shows that jesus and God had two different wills, although Jesus submitted his will to the will of the Father. Two wills mean two separate individuals.

Also according to the bible Jesus said: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). If one of them forsaken the other, then they must be two separate entities. Right?

@JimmyDean Are you saying God came to earth as a Human? And Talks to himself and says Why have i forsaken myself? again no disrespect fam.
I don't argue scriptures vs scriptures. It's all God's word. All I wanted to do was point out where Jesus himself said it. Understanding the grey areas come when your relationship with God strengthens... You want to understand? Go to church, bible study, pray and read.
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John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
the bible is not always literal.

look at the context around that verse..

verse 25: Jesus says he does the works of his Father
verse 27-29: Jesus talkin bout symbolic sheep his Father gave him

^^ both wouldnt make sense to those listening if they (God n Jesus) were one.

instead Jesus said 'My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father' (based from 29). Similar to you saying to ya pop's enemy "if you attack my dad you attack me". Jesus and his Father are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, values, standards..

therefore, that scripture only shows the strong bond of unity between them.


aight @Fidel Z

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@Fidel Z.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
the bible is not always literal.

look at the context around that verse..

verse 25: Jesus says he does the works of his Father
verse 27-29: Jesus talkin bout symbolic sheep his Father gave him

^^ both wouldnt make sense to those listening if they (God n Jesus) were one.

instead Jesus said 'My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father' (based from 29). Similar to you saying to ya pop's enemy "if you attack my dad you attack me". Jesus and his Father are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, values, standards..

therefore, that scripture only shows the strong bond of unity between them.


aight @Fidel Z

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the bible is not always literal.

look at the context around that verse..

verse 25: Jesus says he does the works of his Father
verse 27-29: Jesus talkin bout symbolic sheep his Father gave him

^^ both wouldnt make sense to those listening if they (God n Jesus) were one.

instead Jesus said 'My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father' (based from 29). Similar to you saying to ya pop's enemy "if you attack my dad you attack me". Jesus and his Father are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, values, standards..

therefore, that scripture only shows the strong bond of unity between them.


aight @Fidel Z

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the bible is not always literal.

look at the context around that verse..

verse 25: Jesus says he does the works of his Father
verse 27-29: Jesus talkin bout symbolic sheep his Father gave him

^^ both wouldnt make sense to those listening if they (God n Jesus) were one.

instead Jesus said 'My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father' (based from 29). Similar to you saying to ya pop's enemy "if you attack my dad you attack me". Jesus and his Father are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, values, standards..

therefore, that scripture only shows the strong bond of unity between them.


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Well according to the bible, Jesus can’t be God, as God is all knowing and in Matthew 24:36
Jesus says: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only." This proves that Jesus is not God because if he was God he would be all knowing and he would know of the hour.
And again in John 5:30 Jesus says: “By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.”
Here you can see that Jesus and God are not one Jesus says: “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying on his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”
In Mark 10:18 Jesus says: “Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.” Here again he creates a separation between himself and God as he says “why do you call me good” then he goes on to say “No one is good, except God alone” This is 100% proof that Jesus is not God from the bible.

Also Jesus never said he was God nowhere in the bible.

So Streetz what makes you say that Jesus is God? By the way I’m not trying to disrespect you in any shape or form, I just want your point of view.
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Well according to the bible, Jesus can’t be God, as God is all knowing and in Matthew 24:36
Jesus says: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only." This proves that Jesus is not God because if he was God he would be all knowing and he would know of the hour.
And again in John 5:30 Jesus says: “By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.”
Here you can see that Jesus and God are not one Jesus says: “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying on his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”
In Mark 10:18 Jesus says: “Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.” Here again he creates a separation between himself and God as he says “why do you call me good” then he goes on to say “No one is good, except God alone” This is 100% proof that Jesus is not God from the bible.

Also Jesus never said he was God nowhere in the bible.

So Streetz what makes you say that Jesus is God? By the way I’m not trying to disrespect you in any shape or form, I just want your point of view.
Jesus came to earth as a man, which is why he had limitations.
 
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