If you believe in God - Lets Beef

**Dono** · #1 09-26-2012, 04:05 PM

You can't be independent from god otherwise he isn't all powerful in creating you. How is it a test if you already know what each of your students can and can't learn and what the outcome will be for any situation they are placed in because you 'programmed' them that way?

That's like testing the calculator program on your computer to see if it will build you a cake. You know it won't.

**Dono** · 09-26-2012, 04:05 PM

You can't be independent from god otherwise he isn't all powerful in creating you. How is it a test if you already know what each of your students can and can't learn and what the outcome will be for any situation they are placed in because you 'programmed' them that way?

That's like testing the calculator program on your computer to see if it will build you a cake. You know it won't.

**Lizman** · #2 09-26-2012, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dono

You can't be independent from god otherwise he isn't all powerful in creating you. How is it a test if you already know what each of your students can and can't learn and what the outcome will be for any situation they are placed in because you 'programmed' them that way?

That's like testing the calculator program on your computer to see if it will build you a cake. You know it won't.

I Wasn't Suggesting That You're All Independent.
Its A Test As The Process Is Different For Each Individual.
And With The Right Guidance An Apple Can Become An Orange.

**Lizman** · 09-26-2012, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dono

You can't be independent from god otherwise he isn't all powerful in creating you. How is it a test if you already know what each of your students can and can't learn and what the outcome will be for any situation they are placed in because you 'programmed' them that way?

That's like testing the calculator program on your computer to see if it will build you a cake. You know it won't.

I Wasn't Suggesting That You're All Independent.
Its A Test As The Process Is Different For Each Individual.
And With The Right Guidance An Apple Can Become An Orange.

#3 09-26-2012, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dono

You can't be independent from god otherwise he isn't all powerful in creating you. How is it a test if you already know what each of your students can and can't learn and what the outcome will be for any situation they are placed in because you 'programmed' them that way?

That's like testing the calculator program on your computer to see if it will build you a cake. You know it won't.

theologians would argue that part of God's design for us was free will

our reason + free will has the potential to be perfect, if used correctly. theoretically.
If god were to GIVE us the answer intrinsically, then his creation of free will would have no purpose, making an imperfect creation, making god imperfect.

so basically God DID make us perfect, he just gave us the ability to achieve that perfectness.

---------- Post added at 06:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:23 PM ----------

but then i would argue.. why didn't he just make our reason flawless. so that we were still making decisions, we were just always making the 'right' ones according to God.

to be honest these philosophers were just trying to not get hung up or exiled so they put God in their shit...

take for example descartes. the dude said, 'what if the world i perceive is created by an evil demon to deceive me'
that would mean one of three things
1. the demon is more powerful than god
2. god does not exist
3. god is complacent in evil

so Gods evil...

basically the dude wanted to say "what if God is tricking us?" but he couldn't say that so he figured out a way around it that pretty much says the same shit but doesn't hurt anyones feelings

im pretty sure these guys were just arguing for ideas like infinity and replacing it with 'god'

09-26-2012, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dono

You can't be independent from god otherwise he isn't all powerful in creating you. How is it a test if you already know what each of your students can and can't learn and what the outcome will be for any situation they are placed in because you 'programmed' them that way?

That's like testing the calculator program on your computer to see if it will build you a cake. You know it won't.

theologians would argue that part of God's design for us was free will

our reason + free will has the potential to be perfect, if used correctly. theoretically.
If god were to GIVE us the answer intrinsically, then his creation of free will would have no purpose, making an imperfect creation, making god imperfect.

so basically God DID make us perfect, he just gave us the ability to achieve that perfectness.

---------- Post added at 06:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:23 PM ----------

but then i would argue.. why didn't he just make our reason flawless. so that we were still making decisions, we were just always making the 'right' ones according to God.

to be honest these philosophers were just trying to not get hung up or exiled so they put God in their shit...

take for example descartes. the dude said, 'what if the world i perceive is created by an evil demon to deceive me'
that would mean one of three things
1. the demon is more powerful than god
2. god does not exist
3. god is complacent in evil

so Gods evil...

basically the dude wanted to say "what if God is tricking us?" but he couldn't say that so he figured out a way around it that pretty much says the same shit but doesn't hurt anyones feelings

im pretty sure these guys were just arguing for ideas like infinity and replacing it with 'god'

**Lizman** · #4 09-27-2012, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Face

theologians would argue that part of God's design for us was free will

our reason + free will has the potential to be perfect, if used correctly. theoretically.
If god were to GIVE us the answer intrinsically, then his creation of free will would have no purpose, making an imperfect creation, making god imperfect.

so basically God DID make us perfect, he just gave us the ability to achieve that perfectness.

---------- Post added at 06:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:23 PM ----------

but then i would argue.. why didn't he just make our reason flawless. so that we were still making decisions, we were just always making the 'right' ones according to God.

to be honest these philosophers were just trying to not get hung up or exiled so they put God in their shit...

take for example descartes. the dude said, 'what if the world i perceive is created by an evil demon to deceive me'
that would mean one of three things
1. the demon is more powerful than god
2. god does not exist
3. god is complacent in evil

so Gods evil...

basically the dude wanted to say "what if God is tricking us?" but he couldn't say that so he figured out a way around it that pretty much says the same shit but doesn't hurt anyones feelings

im pretty sure these guys were just arguing for ideas like infinity and replacing it with 'god'

The Perceptions Of Evil That We Abide By Are Only Meant For Us

---------- Post added at 07:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:19 PM ----------

Also
Finiteness Is Greater Than Infinity In Value

**Lizman** · 09-27-2012, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Face

theologians would argue that part of God's design for us was free will

our reason + free will has the potential to be perfect, if used correctly. theoretically.
If god were to GIVE us the answer intrinsically, then his creation of free will would have no purpose, making an imperfect creation, making god imperfect.

so basically God DID make us perfect, he just gave us the ability to achieve that perfectness.

---------- Post added at 06:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:23 PM ----------

but then i would argue.. why didn't he just make our reason flawless. so that we were still making decisions, we were just always making the 'right' ones according to God.

to be honest these philosophers were just trying to not get hung up or exiled so they put God in their shit...

take for example descartes. the dude said, 'what if the world i perceive is created by an evil demon to deceive me'
that would mean one of three things
1. the demon is more powerful than god
2. god does not exist
3. god is complacent in evil

so Gods evil...

basically the dude wanted to say "what if God is tricking us?" but he couldn't say that so he figured out a way around it that pretty much says the same shit but doesn't hurt anyones feelings

im pretty sure these guys were just arguing for ideas like infinity and replacing it with 'god'

The Perceptions Of Evil That We Abide By Are Only Meant For Us

---------- Post added at 07:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:19 PM ----------

Also
Finiteness Is Greater Than Infinity In Value


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