i dont understand how u win lol

[Teek]

I see good n bad in both systems as I've experienced both on here firsthand.

The VP system has issues, but for the most part, it's a helluva lot more fair in the long run. I like the old way, because the OldSchool in me thinks every vote should be equal, but with all the cheating, riding etc, that way is absolute hell to manage effectively. People thinks they get a burn losing w more votes, I've seen bullshit verses blow up quality ones 10-1 in votes because guys would pull shit you couldn't prove.
It takes some adapting to but into the idea of VP, but it can work well.

[Teek]

I see good n bad in both systems as I've experienced both on here firsthand.

The VP system has issues, but for the most part, it's a helluva lot more fair in the long run. I like the old way, because the OldSchool in me thinks every vote should be equal, but with all the cheating, riding etc, that way is absolute hell to manage effectively. People thinks they get a burn losing w more votes, I've seen bullshit verses blow up quality ones 10-1 in votes because guys would pull shit you couldn't prove.
It takes some adapting to but into the idea of VP, but it can work well.

[COFFIN DODGER]

ok , lets see what votes i get for this one lol
http://www.letsbeef.com/battle_detai...n=tb&id=446020

[COFFIN DODGER]

ok , lets see what votes i get for this one lol
http://www.letsbeef.com/battle_detai...n=tb&id=446020

[Krhyme Killz]

Peeped and voted. Hit me up if you re interested in some text advice

[Krhyme Killz]

Peeped and voted. Hit me up if you re interested in some text advice

[UNKNOWN ARTIST]

^^^ what size medal of honour do YOU wear?... Lol

[UNKNOWN ARTIST]

^^^ what size medal of honour do YOU wear?... Lol

[Krhyme Killz]

Hahaha..touche

[Krhyme Killz]

Hahaha..touche

[D-Reppin]

Originally Posted by Teek

I see good n bad in both systems as I've experienced both on here firsthand.

The VP system has issues, but for the most part, it's a helluva lot more fair in the long run. I like the old way, because the OldSchool in me thinks every vote should be equal, but with all the cheating, riding etc, that way is absolute hell to manage effectively. People thinks they get a burn losing w more votes, I've seen bullshit verses blow up quality ones 10-1 in votes because guys would pull shit you couldn't prove.
It takes some adapting to but into the idea of VP, but it can work well.

Word

But honestly, I think the FVC is the biggest conspiracy i've ever come across. It almost certainly gives its members immunity from being voted against by each other. Not based on what i've seen, but based on what the system implies. Seeing that FVC votes weigh more than basic votes, it's even harder to outweigh the collective opinions. I don't know what to fully make of that system yet, but it's mad shady.

[D-Reppin]

Originally Posted by Teek

I see good n bad in both systems as I've experienced both on here firsthand.

The VP system has issues, but for the most part, it's a helluva lot more fair in the long run. I like the old way, because the OldSchool in me thinks every vote should be equal, but with all the cheating, riding etc, that way is absolute hell to manage effectively. People thinks they get a burn losing w more votes, I've seen bullshit verses blow up quality ones 10-1 in votes because guys would pull shit you couldn't prove.
It takes some adapting to but into the idea of VP, but it can work well.

Word

But honestly, I think the FVC is the biggest conspiracy i've ever come across. It almost certainly gives its members immunity from being voted against by each other. Not based on what i've seen, but based on what the system implies. Seeing that FVC votes weigh more than basic votes, it's even harder to outweigh the collective opinions. I don't know what to fully make of that system yet, but it's mad shady.

[D-Reppin]

Originally Posted by Jason

big contradiction here lol

the SYSTEM itself is absolutely sound

what youre describing is an issue with PEOPLE, which is something that cant be corrected by any system. the VP system ensures that the actual scoring of battles is as accurate as possible... no voting system will prevent things like selective voting or peoples IQ

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you should get out more

how do you figure?

This is kind of the point, if you want a fair voting system isnt it logical to give more power to the people that have proven to be better voters?

you lost me

I didn't come here to start any conflict pertaining to the voting system, I just came here to voice my opinions. I've seen the FVC setup, and i've seen my fair share of voting so far. Some are very patterned while others aren't. I'm not going to list names, but it was that observation that pretty much sparked my responses.

I agree that it's logical to give more power to people proven to be "better voters", but what is that based on? How often they vote? How active they are? ...the thing is, you apply to be in the FVC when it opens and they're not going to go through all your votes, are they? I think it's better to say the FVC gives more power to seasoned/active voters.

If you vote on all of my battles, there's going to be some obligation to vote back on all of yours, even the ones I think you've lost. That's a conflict of interest that systems like this promote, and I know from experience. No one wants to vote against the person who's voting on all of their battles; there's a loyalty dynamic that trumps fairness in some standard. As far as giving power to people who have proven to be better voters? They are a ton of text mods here. The only system should be to remove low votes (4-3) or hate votes (9-1) when it's applicable. Placing stat weights on an opinionated system makes it easier for certain members to win as opposed to others. You're basically saying that my vote (non-FVC) has a lower value than an FVC member vote even though there's no disparity in my voting and my reasoning is sound...

Either way, these are all little things I find shady about the system, but again it's my opinion and that's all.

[D-Reppin]

Originally Posted by Jason

big contradiction here lol

the SYSTEM itself is absolutely sound

what youre describing is an issue with PEOPLE, which is something that cant be corrected by any system. the VP system ensures that the actual scoring of battles is as accurate as possible... no voting system will prevent things like selective voting or peoples IQ

---------- Post added at 12:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:09 PM ----------



you should get out more

how do you figure?

This is kind of the point, if you want a fair voting system isnt it logical to give more power to the people that have proven to be better voters?

you lost me

I didn't come here to start any conflict pertaining to the voting system, I just came here to voice my opinions. I've seen the FVC setup, and i've seen my fair share of voting so far. Some are very patterned while others aren't. I'm not going to list names, but it was that observation that pretty much sparked my responses.

I agree that it's logical to give more power to people proven to be "better voters", but what is that based on? How often they vote? How active they are? ...the thing is, you apply to be in the FVC when it opens and they're not going to go through all your votes, are they? I think it's better to say the FVC gives more power to seasoned/active voters.

If you vote on all of my battles, there's going to be some obligation to vote back on all of yours, even the ones I think you've lost. That's a conflict of interest that systems like this promote, and I know from experience. No one wants to vote against the person who's voting on all of their battles; there's a loyalty dynamic that trumps fairness in some standard. As far as giving power to people who have proven to be better voters? They are a ton of text mods here. The only system should be to remove low votes (4-3) or hate votes (9-1) when it's applicable. Placing stat weights on an opinionated system makes it easier for certain members to win as opposed to others. You're basically saying that my vote (non-FVC) has a lower value than an FVC member vote even though there's no disparity in my voting and my reasoning is sound...

Either way, these are all little things I find shady about the system, but again it's my opinion and that's all.

[D-Reppin]

Originally Posted by Jason

yeah i feel what youre saying entirely
i just dont attribute these faults to the system, i attribute them to the people who give power to the people who run the system.
for example: the FVC concept and system in itself is a fantastic idea, but if the person in charge of selecting the FVC does a poor job... then its not going to work out. but thats the peoples fault, not the system
theres definitely people in the FVC i wouldnt want to be in there.. and as a result i dont think its as effective as it would be if someone more educated selected its members.. but i dont have beef with the FVC but rather with whoever put the people in there that dont belong

no system is perfect.. but i think we do a pretty good job making battles as fair as possible

True. I can't argue with that. It is what it is.

[D-Reppin]

Originally Posted by Jason

yeah i feel what youre saying entirely
i just dont attribute these faults to the system, i attribute them to the people who give power to the people who run the system.
for example: the FVC concept and system in itself is a fantastic idea, but if the person in charge of selecting the FVC does a poor job... then its not going to work out. but thats the peoples fault, not the system
theres definitely people in the FVC i wouldnt want to be in there.. and as a result i dont think its as effective as it would be if someone more educated selected its members.. but i dont have beef with the FVC but rather with whoever put the people in there that dont belong

no system is perfect.. but i think we do a pretty good job making battles as fair as possible

True. I can't argue with that. It is what it is.

[J u s T C]

The process to get into the FVC is un needed for me. If you're currently active voting your self and more importantly, if you've been here and active for a long time. You know who is a good voter and a bad 1 by judging them without them knowing in a much more organic way. You don't need to go through a long winded process of a "tournament" to find that out. Not just that but going back to the organic setting, by holding a tournament you're putting them under the spotlight for those few rounds to vote fair. Not because it's the right thing to do. But because they want to win, get a title and to have that raised VP. Once they've got that they just go back to "good battle vb" while dropping suspect votes (not all of them, but a lot do) they can them use the fact they have a higher VP and that they are in blockable to under cover hate vote. Then you get the people who think dropping a long ass expo makes them an educated voter, but when you read them it's nothing but filler and nonsense followed by from what I've seen popularity or sheep voting. There are very few GENUINELY educated and unbiased, unswayable voters on here, and none if very few of them are in the FVC, from what I've seen. Some of them who would never had seen the light of day when I was in charge. (There he goes again) Yeah well it is what it is.

[J u s T C]

The process to get into the FVC is un needed for me. If you're currently active voting your self and more importantly, if you've been here and active for a long time. You know who is a good voter and a bad 1 by judging them without them knowing in a much more organic way. You don't need to go through a long winded process of a "tournament" to find that out. Not just that but going back to the organic setting, by holding a tournament you're putting them under the spotlight for those few rounds to vote fair. Not because it's the right thing to do. But because they want to win, get a title and to have that raised VP. Once they've got that they just go back to "good battle vb" while dropping suspect votes (not all of them, but a lot do) they can them use the fact they have a higher VP and that they are in blockable to under cover hate vote. Then you get the people who think dropping a long ass expo makes them an educated voter, but when you read them it's nothing but filler and nonsense followed by from what I've seen popularity or sheep voting. There are very few GENUINELY educated and unbiased, unswayable voters on here, and none if very few of them are in the FVC, from what I've seen. Some of them who would never had seen the light of day when I was in charge. (There he goes again) Yeah well it is what it is.

[COFFIN DODGER]

ok guys , took advice on board , think i stepped up for my next battle , it was a 16 liner , here is the link , vote plz and post comments on what u think plz
http://www.letsbeef.com/battle_detai...n=tb&id=446076

[COFFIN DODGER]

ok guys , took advice on board , think i stepped up for my next battle , it was a 16 liner , here is the link , vote plz and post comments on what u think plz
http://www.letsbeef.com/battle_detai...n=tb&id=446076