Crown me “Punchline King”

[EtH]

Originally Posted by Brickrepper

Exactly. are you that incompetent that you can’t judge a battle on punches alone. of course the flow multies are gonna impact the punch but at the end of the day your just judging who had the best punches..it’s really not that hard.

I think you got me wrong.

A punch is made up of 3 things usually, 2 if you want to trim the fat: -

1. Concept - You have an idea of whatever metaphor or insult you're trying to make.

2. Execution - This comes down to how you actually word that punchline. This can introduce flow, as if the wording is awkward or off-beat it's going to take away from the punch.

3. Set Up - The lines that come before the punch. Are you keeping one consistent topic? Are there smaller punches on the same rhyme scheme? If the first line of a 2 line punch is awful, does it detract from the second?


What I'm trying to say is, there's no such thing as a solo "punch". You can't judge a punch alone because a punch is comprised of many other parts. Your idea, how you word the idea, was the rhyme scheme impressive coming into the idea, was the flow on point before it.

My typical style was hit and miss because I don't always use "Metaphors". Sometimes it's just a funny insult. Take these two lines for example: -

Vs Coffin Dodger

I bet you wear special socks on a plane, see he's ANCIENT AT LEAST playing a massive game of risk just by FADING TO SLEEP! If he was a superhero, he wouldn't be AMAZING WITH SPEED or have LASERS OR BEAMS he'd just be able to predict the weather by the PAINS IN HIS KNEE!


Vs Saxx

I stole his grandads glasses, now his VISION IS BLURRY and then I robbed his gran n broke her HIP IN THE FLURRY! I said I took his nan's bread, he was STRICKEN WITH WORRY and shouted "Oh god, oh no what will I DIP IN MY CURRY?"!


I'm a fan of both of these, and I think they were good joke insults at my opponents, being old and Indian respectively (the world's biggest ailments of course).

If I just said something like "If he was a superhero he'd be able to predict the weather by the pains in his knee" or "I took his nan's bread and he thought I meant the food" neither of these would land. I needed to set the scene on the same rhyme scheme in the lines before, explaining what I was talking about. I then had to make sure it could flow through well and keep everything on beat. It wasn't one word rhyming which would have detracted from the flow. Because it's all fluid it comes in hard to the main punch which gets a laugh.

There's so much more going on than "JUST a punch" in every line. Flow is basically one of the biggest criterias, and wording / multis all pay off in the flow. An example of something that wouldn't work is Phroxen's weird 126 syllable multi cypher or whatever it was because while it was a cool concept, it wouldn't flow at all so it wouldn't land in an actual battle situation.

[EtH]

Originally Posted by Brickrepper

Exactly. are you that incompetent that you can’t judge a battle on punches alone. of course the flow multies are gonna impact the punch but at the end of the day your just judging who had the best punches..it’s really not that hard.

I think you got me wrong.

A punch is made up of 3 things usually, 2 if you want to trim the fat: -

1. Concept - You have an idea of whatever metaphor or insult you're trying to make.

2. Execution - This comes down to how you actually word that punchline. This can introduce flow, as if the wording is awkward or off-beat it's going to take away from the punch.

3. Set Up - The lines that come before the punch. Are you keeping one consistent topic? Are there smaller punches on the same rhyme scheme? If the first line of a 2 line punch is awful, does it detract from the second?


What I'm trying to say is, there's no such thing as a solo "punch". You can't judge a punch alone because a punch is comprised of many other parts. Your idea, how you word the idea, was the rhyme scheme impressive coming into the idea, was the flow on point before it.

My typical style was hit and miss because I don't always use "Metaphors". Sometimes it's just a funny insult. Take these two lines for example: -

Vs Coffin Dodger

I bet you wear special socks on a plane, see he's ANCIENT AT LEAST playing a massive game of risk just by FADING TO SLEEP! If he was a superhero, he wouldn't be AMAZING WITH SPEED or have LASERS OR BEAMS he'd just be able to predict the weather by the PAINS IN HIS KNEE!


Vs Saxx

I stole his grandads glasses, now his VISION IS BLURRY and then I robbed his gran n broke her HIP IN THE FLURRY! I said I took his nan's bread, he was STRICKEN WITH WORRY and shouted "Oh god, oh no what will I DIP IN MY CURRY?"!


I'm a fan of both of these, and I think they were good joke insults at my opponents, being old and Indian respectively (the world's biggest ailments of course).

If I just said something like "If he was a superhero he'd be able to predict the weather by the pains in his knee" or "I took his nan's bread and he thought I meant the food" neither of these would land. I needed to set the scene on the same rhyme scheme in the lines before, explaining what I was talking about. I then had to make sure it could flow through well and keep everything on beat. It wasn't one word rhyming which would have detracted from the flow. Because it's all fluid it comes in hard to the main punch which gets a laugh.

There's so much more going on than "JUST a punch" in every line. Flow is basically one of the biggest criterias, and wording / multis all pay off in the flow. An example of something that wouldn't work is Phroxen's weird 126 syllable multi cypher or whatever it was because while it was a cool concept, it wouldn't flow at all so it wouldn't land in an actual battle situation.