Joyner Lucas - I'm Not Racist

[Rain Matrix 2021]

Not gonna watch the video just gonna give my opinion


Nobody hates black people , they hate the culture. They hate walking past a group of erratic people , pants under their asses, yelling weird shit, selling drugs, straight up acting like undesirable people. Then bitch because we don't desire their company


I'm white , if I dressed and acted like that I'd be treated the Same way

But tbh if my people had nothing to be proud of I'd be doing the same thing. It's like they're over-compensating

[Rain Matrix 2021]

Not gonna watch the video just gonna give my opinion


Nobody hates black people , they hate the culture. They hate walking past a group of erratic people , pants under their asses, yelling weird shit, selling drugs, straight up acting like undesirable people. Then bitch because we don't desire their company


I'm white , if I dressed and acted like that I'd be treated the Same way

But tbh if my people had nothing to be proud of I'd be doing the same thing. It's like they're over-compensating

Originally Posted by Rain Matrix 2017

Nobody hates black people , they hate the culture.

Yea this ^ and that culture, the gangsta one can have any race. Lots of the kids think its cool, like... alot of them are just wannabe gangstas it's lame tbh, they just copying stuff they see, brainwashed mf's can't think for themselves so they will take an image and just copy it to self identify with, thats the prob they don't know who they are.

Also agree with EtH hardly any white people actually think like that dude in the video, no white people i know think like that, maybe some of the older generations do but thats because they grew up when there was only white people in there areas, they didn't grow up with other races, now we have people from all over here.

eventually the human race will look like a mixture of all races combined i think, the white race will be the first to go extinct, if it even happends i guess, maybe? because white countrys have every one from all over the globe but white people rarely go live in other country's in large groups. But yea the human race will eventually look like all races in one i think, thats one time line anyway.

Originally Posted by Rain Matrix 2017

Nobody hates black people , they hate the culture.

Yea this ^ and that culture, the gangsta one can have any race. Lots of the kids think its cool, like... alot of them are just wannabe gangstas it's lame tbh, they just copying stuff they see, brainwashed mf's can't think for themselves so they will take an image and just copy it to self identify with, thats the prob they don't know who they are.

Also agree with EtH hardly any white people actually think like that dude in the video, no white people i know think like that, maybe some of the older generations do but thats because they grew up when there was only white people in there areas, they didn't grow up with other races, now we have people from all over here.

eventually the human race will look like a mixture of all races combined i think, the white race will be the first to go extinct, if it even happends i guess, maybe? because white countrys have every one from all over the globe but white people rarely go live in other country's in large groups. But yea the human race will eventually look like all races in one i think, thats one time line anyway.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Supsie

Yea this ^ and that culture, the gangsta one can have any race. Lots of the kids think its cool, like... alot of them are just wannabe gangstas it's lame tbh, they just copying stuff they see, brainwashed mf's can't think for themselves so they will take an image and just copy it to self identify with, thats the prob they don't know who they are.

Also agree with EtH hardly any white people actually think like that dude in the video, no white people i know think like that, maybe some of the older generations do but thats because they grew up when there was only white people in there areas, they didn't grow up with other races, now we have people from all over here.

eventually the human race will look like a mixture of all races combined i think, the white race will be the first to go extinct, if it even happends i guess, maybe? because white countrys have every one from all over the globe but white people rarely go live in other country's in large groups. But yea the human race will eventually look like all races in one i think, thats one time line anyway.

I agree with Eth and Sup that the perspectives, while good, weren't an actual equivalent. The white perspective was done from a more extreme outlook. More of the outlook black people think white people have. And the black perspective was closer to a mainstream view. It also lacked depth and was very presumptuous. Most Trump supporters would agree that the police and judicial system are corrupt. But, would argue personal choices and responsibility trumps current, adverse conditions. So, the whole "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" logic is simplified till the point disappears.

Where I disagree with Sup n Eth, after having trolled many sites, like real white nationalist ones, is there is a decent size of the white population that thinks this way. It's not all from racism tho. Some people do have valid arguments, agree with them or not. But overall, it's a small percentage of white people in whole and probably less than 20% on the right.

The actual mainstream view is that we, as white people (on the center/right) agree the government is fucked up. And that black people historically and even to a certain degree now, have been targeted. But we, didn't do it. Rather, the government did and we want to decrease the size of the government and its oppression. We want black people to do well. To have success and good families and an equal opportunity. Outcome, should be left to the individual tho. Hella Trump supporters are gamers, anti police state'ers, religious and personal freedom advocates. That's the majority. But the leftists, pro gigantic government loving, white bashing, couldn't hold up to its own hypocrisies under that arrangement.

Soooooo government is oppressing you and the solution to that is more government?? Oooook.

"The governments white!!" No it's not. And the minorities in office are no better. Besides, if this government benefits my skin so much then why am I trying to decrease it?? They don't want us arguing concrete ideas when we can be race baited into the whole black white thing. It's just a divisive tactic employed to confuse us and keep us fighting. Honesty, left or right, no one wants a police state or intrusive government.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Supsie

Yea this ^ and that culture, the gangsta one can have any race. Lots of the kids think its cool, like... alot of them are just wannabe gangstas it's lame tbh, they just copying stuff they see, brainwashed mf's can't think for themselves so they will take an image and just copy it to self identify with, thats the prob they don't know who they are.

Also agree with EtH hardly any white people actually think like that dude in the video, no white people i know think like that, maybe some of the older generations do but thats because they grew up when there was only white people in there areas, they didn't grow up with other races, now we have people from all over here.

eventually the human race will look like a mixture of all races combined i think, the white race will be the first to go extinct, if it even happends i guess, maybe? because white countrys have every one from all over the globe but white people rarely go live in other country's in large groups. But yea the human race will eventually look like all races in one i think, thats one time line anyway.

I agree with Eth and Sup that the perspectives, while good, weren't an actual equivalent. The white perspective was done from a more extreme outlook. More of the outlook black people think white people have. And the black perspective was closer to a mainstream view. It also lacked depth and was very presumptuous. Most Trump supporters would agree that the police and judicial system are corrupt. But, would argue personal choices and responsibility trumps current, adverse conditions. So, the whole "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" logic is simplified till the point disappears.

Where I disagree with Sup n Eth, after having trolled many sites, like real white nationalist ones, is there is a decent size of the white population that thinks this way. It's not all from racism tho. Some people do have valid arguments, agree with them or not. But overall, it's a small percentage of white people in whole and probably less than 20% on the right.

The actual mainstream view is that we, as white people (on the center/right) agree the government is fucked up. And that black people historically and even to a certain degree now, have been targeted. But we, didn't do it. Rather, the government did and we want to decrease the size of the government and its oppression. We want black people to do well. To have success and good families and an equal opportunity. Outcome, should be left to the individual tho. Hella Trump supporters are gamers, anti police state'ers, religious and personal freedom advocates. That's the majority. But the leftists, pro gigantic government loving, white bashing, couldn't hold up to its own hypocrisies under that arrangement.

Soooooo government is oppressing you and the solution to that is more government?? Oooook.

"The governments white!!" No it's not. And the minorities in office are no better. Besides, if this government benefits my skin so much then why am I trying to decrease it?? They don't want us arguing concrete ideas when we can be race baited into the whole black white thing. It's just a divisive tactic employed to confuse us and keep us fighting. Honesty, left or right, no one wants a police state or intrusive government.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

I agree with Eth and Sup that the perspectives, while good, weren't an actual equivalent. The white perspective was done from a more extreme outlook. More of the outlook black people think white people have. And the black perspective was closer to a mainstream view.

Well it was written by a fairly mainstream black man, even giving him the benefit of the doubt I expected this. Over analyzing how the perspectives couldve been delivered better is very meh to me considering at face value it was cool & might get people thinking more about an opposing school of thought.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Lyve SCIENCE

I agree with Eth and Sup that the perspectives, while good, weren't an actual equivalent. The white perspective was done from a more extreme outlook. More of the outlook black people think white people have. And the black perspective was closer to a mainstream view.

Well it was written by a fairly mainstream black man, even giving him the benefit of the doubt I expected this. Over analyzing how the perspectives couldve been delivered better is very meh to me considering at face value it was cool & might get people thinking more about an opposing school of thought.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Babylon

over analyzing how the perspectives couldve been delivered better is very meh to me considering at face value it was cool & might get people thinking more about an opposing school of thought.

• Might get people thinking - Who though? I don't think this track was to get black people thinking. It was the reverse. It seems like the white guy's telling black people whats wrong with them. And no one likes being chastised. It actually closes people down and makes them less likely to except what you're telling them. The black perspective seems like it's more sympathetic and asking for understanding. To me anyways.

• This mentality "pull yourself up" is well known to black people too. It's the Cosby Argument. and there's a lot of black people who agree but they're more center or on the right. The entire logic is talked about and debated on frequently by black people. A lot on the new left, "black Twitter" and all that would call it coonery and don't want to hear it. I don't blame them.

• To get people on the left to listen you have to find common ground not insult them.

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Don't get me wrong, I think the tracks good. Was just critiqing critiques.

[Wayco]

Originally Posted by Babylon

over analyzing how the perspectives couldve been delivered better is very meh to me considering at face value it was cool & might get people thinking more about an opposing school of thought.

• Might get people thinking - Who though? I don't think this track was to get black people thinking. It was the reverse. It seems like the white guy's telling black people whats wrong with them. And no one likes being chastised. It actually closes people down and makes them less likely to except what you're telling them. The black perspective seems like it's more sympathetic and asking for understanding. To me anyways.

• This mentality "pull yourself up" is well known to black people too. It's the Cosby Argument. and there's a lot of black people who agree but they're more center or on the right. The entire logic is talked about and debated on frequently by black people. A lot on the new left, "black Twitter" and all that would call it coonery and don't want to hear it. I don't blame them.

• To get people on the left to listen you have to find common ground not insult them.

---------- Post added at 09:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:05 PM ----------

Don't get me wrong, I think the tracks good. Was just critiqing critiques.

Originally Posted by Babylon

Well it was written by a fairly mainstream black man, even giving him the benefit of the doubt I expected this. Over analyzing how the perspectives couldve been delivered better is very meh to me considering at face value it was cool & might get people thinking more about an opposing school of thought.

But everyone in the thread is discussion how he did a good job or looking at both perspectives, he didn't, he only looked at one.

The white perspective he takes here is nowhere near a common perspective. Legit racists are in very short supply. Sure, you can argue that this is simply the perspective of the guy he was portraying, but I feel that, based on everyone's comments here, that this is supposed to be a down the middle debate where two opposing sides can discuss race. But he fails massively at targeting the common perspective of the white side.

If I was to write a verse on this perspective, here's what I would discuss:-

You protest the killing of black people by white police officers, but don't give a fuck when a white person is killed by the same people.

You claim that white people can't "take your culture", when you, a person born in America, claim the culture of Africa.

You pick and choose matters when white people have committed a crime and received a light sentence to prove our point that white people are treated better, but refuse to accept evidence which presents an opposite in the same scenario.

You believe that white people automatically believe you are a criminal, drug dealer and hate you, but are basing this on no real life experience. You have no white friends, you don't communicate with white people. Your only perception of this occurences is from strangers on the internet, or from what black people say to one another.

You automatically defend any black person against any persecution, regardless of the crime, based on race.

You believe white Europeans are a collective term regarding culture, when there is next to no cultural similarities between almost every white European country.

You bring up slavery as a weapon to defend your opinion toward white people, using their ancestor's control of your ancestors to justify it. You don't take into account that you ancestors could easily have been black slave owners in Africa owning white slaves.



The "you" in my context is aimed at the perspective of the person in this video, not "the black race". Obviously there are millions and millions of intelligent black people who don't hold any of these stupid opinions, and there are millions and millions of white people who do hold them.

Originally Posted by Babylon

Well it was written by a fairly mainstream black man, even giving him the benefit of the doubt I expected this. Over analyzing how the perspectives couldve been delivered better is very meh to me considering at face value it was cool & might get people thinking more about an opposing school of thought.

But everyone in the thread is discussion how he did a good job or looking at both perspectives, he didn't, he only looked at one.

The white perspective he takes here is nowhere near a common perspective. Legit racists are in very short supply. Sure, you can argue that this is simply the perspective of the guy he was portraying, but I feel that, based on everyone's comments here, that this is supposed to be a down the middle debate where two opposing sides can discuss race. But he fails massively at targeting the common perspective of the white side.

If I was to write a verse on this perspective, here's what I would discuss:-

You protest the killing of black people by white police officers, but don't give a fuck when a white person is killed by the same people.

You claim that white people can't "take your culture", when you, a person born in America, claim the culture of Africa.

You pick and choose matters when white people have committed a crime and received a light sentence to prove our point that white people are treated better, but refuse to accept evidence which presents an opposite in the same scenario.

You believe that white people automatically believe you are a criminal, drug dealer and hate you, but are basing this on no real life experience. You have no white friends, you don't communicate with white people. Your only perception of this occurences is from strangers on the internet, or from what black people say to one another.

You automatically defend any black person against any persecution, regardless of the crime, based on race.

You believe white Europeans are a collective term regarding culture, when there is next to no cultural similarities between almost every white European country.

You bring up slavery as a weapon to defend your opinion toward white people, using their ancestor's control of your ancestors to justify it. You don't take into account that you ancestors could easily have been black slave owners in Africa owning white slaves.



The "you" in my context is aimed at the perspective of the person in this video, not "the black race". Obviously there are millions and millions of intelligent black people who don't hold any of these stupid opinions, and there are millions and millions of white people who do hold them.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by EtHnic Cleansing

But everyone in the thread is discussion how he did a good job or looking at both perspectives, he didn't, he only looked at one.

The white perspective he takes here is nowhere near a common perspective. Legit racists are in very short supply. Sure, you can argue that this is simply the perspective of the guy he was portraying, but I feel that, based on everyone's comments here, that this is supposed to be a down the middle debate where two opposing sides can discuss race. But he fails massively at targeting the common perspective of the white side.

If I was to write a verse on this perspective, here's what I would discuss:-

You protest the killing of black people by white police officers, but don't give a fuck when a white person is killed by the same people.

You claim that white people can't "take your culture", when you, a person born in America, claim the culture of Africa.

You pick and choose matters when white people have committed a crime and received a light sentence to prove our point that white people are treated better, but refuse to accept evidence which presents an opposite in the same scenario.

You believe that white people automatically believe you are a criminal, drug dealer and hate you, but are basing this on no real life experience. You have no white friends, you don't communicate with white people. Your only perception of this occurences is from strangers on the internet, or from what black people say to one another.

You automatically defend any black person against any persecution, regardless of the crime, based on race.

You believe white Europeans are a collective term regarding culture, when there is next to no cultural similarities between almost every white European country.

You bring up slavery as a weapon to defend your opinion toward white people, using their ancestor's control of your ancestors to justify it. You don't take into account that you ancestors could easily have been black slave owners in Africa owning white slaves.



The "you" in my context is aimed at the perspective of the person in this video, not "the black race". Obviously there are millions and millions of intelligent black people who don't hold any of these stupid opinions, and there are millions and millions of white people who do hold them.

Well those are massively solid talking points, Lyve science' as well. It is pretty weird he painted the whole of white america as basically alt-righters or what (the comparatively small percentage of) usually southern redneck types portray themselves as- or at the /very least/ painted the whole of trump supporters as such. Which if you think about it isn't really out of left field as far as low hanging fruit liberal drivel is concerned, its basically just identity politics on a beat. I guess initially I was hearing it from a more surface level joyner fan type perspective judging it as an all around solid concept but honestly if an artist is going far enough to create a scenario with two opposing sides they should at least represent them both fairly & accurately..

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by EtHnic Cleansing

But everyone in the thread is discussion how he did a good job or looking at both perspectives, he didn't, he only looked at one.

The white perspective he takes here is nowhere near a common perspective. Legit racists are in very short supply. Sure, you can argue that this is simply the perspective of the guy he was portraying, but I feel that, based on everyone's comments here, that this is supposed to be a down the middle debate where two opposing sides can discuss race. But he fails massively at targeting the common perspective of the white side.

If I was to write a verse on this perspective, here's what I would discuss:-

You protest the killing of black people by white police officers, but don't give a fuck when a white person is killed by the same people.

You claim that white people can't "take your culture", when you, a person born in America, claim the culture of Africa.

You pick and choose matters when white people have committed a crime and received a light sentence to prove our point that white people are treated better, but refuse to accept evidence which presents an opposite in the same scenario.

You believe that white people automatically believe you are a criminal, drug dealer and hate you, but are basing this on no real life experience. You have no white friends, you don't communicate with white people. Your only perception of this occurences is from strangers on the internet, or from what black people say to one another.

You automatically defend any black person against any persecution, regardless of the crime, based on race.

You believe white Europeans are a collective term regarding culture, when there is next to no cultural similarities between almost every white European country.

You bring up slavery as a weapon to defend your opinion toward white people, using their ancestor's control of your ancestors to justify it. You don't take into account that you ancestors could easily have been black slave owners in Africa owning white slaves.



The "you" in my context is aimed at the perspective of the person in this video, not "the black race". Obviously there are millions and millions of intelligent black people who don't hold any of these stupid opinions, and there are millions and millions of white people who do hold them.

Well those are massively solid talking points, Lyve science' as well. It is pretty weird he painted the whole of white america as basically alt-righters or what (the comparatively small percentage of) usually southern redneck types portray themselves as- or at the /very least/ painted the whole of trump supporters as such. Which if you think about it isn't really out of left field as far as low hanging fruit liberal drivel is concerned, its basically just identity politics on a beat. I guess initially I was hearing it from a more surface level joyner fan type perspective judging it as an all around solid concept but honestly if an artist is going far enough to create a scenario with two opposing sides they should at least represent them both fairly & accurately..

Originally Posted by Babylon

Well those are massively solid talking points, Lyve science' as well. It is pretty weird he painted the whole of white america as basically alt-righters or what (the comparatively small percentage of) usually southern redneck types portray themselves as- or at the /very least/ painted the whole of trump supporters as such. Which if you think about it isn't really out of left field as far as low hanging fruit liberal drivel is concerned, its basically just identity politics on a beat. I guess initially I was hearing it from a more surface level joyner fan type perspective judging it as an all around solid concept but honestly if an artist is going far enough to create a scenario with two opposing sides they should at least represent them both fairly & accurately..

But it'd be fine if a white person did a song like this and used a stupid thug drug dealing gang banger as the black guy because of "identity politics" and "low hanging fruit"?

The MAGA hat is the icing on the cake. Many of people who have that opinion couldn't give a fuck about politics.

Originally Posted by Babylon

Well those are massively solid talking points, Lyve science' as well. It is pretty weird he painted the whole of white america as basically alt-righters or what (the comparatively small percentage of) usually southern redneck types portray themselves as- or at the /very least/ painted the whole of trump supporters as such. Which if you think about it isn't really out of left field as far as low hanging fruit liberal drivel is concerned, its basically just identity politics on a beat. I guess initially I was hearing it from a more surface level joyner fan type perspective judging it as an all around solid concept but honestly if an artist is going far enough to create a scenario with two opposing sides they should at least represent them both fairly & accurately..

But it'd be fine if a white person did a song like this and used a stupid thug drug dealing gang banger as the black guy because of "identity politics" and "low hanging fruit"?

The MAGA hat is the icing on the cake. Many of people who have that opinion couldn't give a fuck about politics.