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PUSSY DONT SAY IM NOT BLACK, YOU SHITTY ASS RAPPERS NEED 2 EDUCATE YOSELFS
Italian immigrants to this country suffered a long history of discrimination, exclusion, and violence. There is also a long history of Italian Americans committed to interracial unity and inclusiveness. But many of the Italian American community left their darker immigrant brethren behind when they gained political clout, economic success and acceptance in "white" society.
Many Italians arriving in the U.S. in the late 19th and early 20th centuries (when the largest numbers of Italian immigrants came to the U.S.) were not even considered white, but were labeled "dark" or "dark/white." Condemned as "papists," Italians and Irish alike were considered loyal to a foreign power in Rome.
Italian immigrants were susceptible to the same violence, discrimination, exploitation and scapegoating that other immigrants faced. In the Jim Crow South, there were many cases of Italians lynched by mobs or the Klan, including the infamous 1891 lynching of 11 Italians by a mob in a New Orleans jail.
The recent collection of essays Are Italians White?: How Race Is Made in America, edited by Jennifer Guglielmo and Salvatore Salerno, reveals much of this forgotten history of the Italian immigrant experience in the U.S. The essays reveal that in general Italians gained white identity and the accompanying privileges only by assimilating certain white cultural and political beliefs.
In "How White People Became White," James Barrett and David Roediger document how both Greeks and Italians were characterized as non-white and suffered discrimination, oppression, and violence due to this designation. Italians were referred to as the "Chinese of Europe" and called "half niggers." As Susan Raffo writes, Italians in the U.S. are the southerners, the dark ones, the ignorant peasants who carry statues of the Virgin Mary through their neighborhoods and faint with religious passion. They are not the Venetians or Florentines, the ancestors of the DeMedicis, the Michaelangelos and DaVincis. No, those are Europeans. Historical moments eventually led to the creation of democracy. Italians, well, they are something different. They come in large and dirty numbers to Ellis Island. Too many of them really. Not all the way white. Certainly not white enough, rich enough, or intellectual enough to understand Faulkner. This is not about race. This is about class. About culture and history. And then it is about race.
a couple hundred years ago North African Arabs invaded Sicily & Southern Italy, so some Southern Italians are part Arab. But almost all Northern Italians are of unmixed European ancestry.
Many early European immigrants, especially Jews, Irish and Italians, were not seen as White upon arrival in the United States of America, as Whiteness describes membership in the society.
Through my extended research, I, Eric "MrE" Carnelli, an Italian American, conclude that Italians are their own class or race beyond a shadow of a doubt. Our culture is rich and our history is strong. The United States has almost force fed classification by wealth into Italian and Jewish Americans as well as Irish Americans minds, therefore, technically, in my opinion, people of Italian descent are not "white" people and fall into the category of Latin or Latino (if referring to a Latin origin from Spain or Portugal), or just plain Italiano.
Many "old school" Italian Americans would disagree with this, considering all the hardships that they faced to become classified as "white" in the eyes of the US Government in the first place, to reap the benefits and escape unfair prosecution. But, research it for yourself. Look up the facts. It's plain as day. Italians deserve to be viewed as Italian, not "white". We are far too proud to settle for anything else.
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PUSSY DONT SAY IM NOT BLACK, YOU SHITTY ASS RAPPERS NEED 2 EDUCATE YOSELFS
Italian immigrants to this country suffered a long history of discrimination, exclusion, and violence. There is also a long history of Italian Americans committed to interracial unity and inclusiveness. But many of the Italian American community left their darker immigrant brethren behind when they gained political clout, economic success and acceptance in "white" society.
Many Italians arriving in the U.S. in the late 19th and early 20th centuries (when the largest numbers of Italian immigrants came to the U.S.) were not even considered white, but were labeled "dark" or "dark/white." Condemned as "papists," Italians and Irish alike were considered loyal to a foreign power in Rome.
Italian immigrants were susceptible to the same violence, discrimination, exploitation and scapegoating that other immigrants faced. In the Jim Crow South, there were many cases of Italians lynched by mobs or the Klan, including the infamous 1891 lynching of 11 Italians by a mob in a New Orleans jail.
The recent collection of essays Are Italians White?: How Race Is Made in America, edited by Jennifer Guglielmo and Salvatore Salerno, reveals much of this forgotten history of the Italian immigrant experience in the U.S. The essays reveal that in general Italians gained white identity and the accompanying privileges only by assimilating certain white cultural and political beliefs.
In "How White People Became White," James Barrett and David Roediger document how both Greeks and Italians were characterized as non-white and suffered discrimination, oppression, and violence due to this designation. Italians were referred to as the "Chinese of Europe" and called "half niggers." As Susan Raffo writes, Italians in the U.S. are the southerners, the dark ones, the ignorant peasants who carry statues of the Virgin Mary through their neighborhoods and faint with religious passion. They are not the Venetians or Florentines, the ancestors of the DeMedicis, the Michaelangelos and DaVincis. No, those are Europeans. Historical moments eventually led to the creation of democracy. Italians, well, they are something different. They come in large and dirty numbers to Ellis Island. Too many of them really. Not all the way white. Certainly not white enough, rich enough, or intellectual enough to understand Faulkner. This is not about race. This is about class. About culture and history. And then it is about race.
a couple hundred years ago North African Arabs invaded Sicily & Southern Italy, so some Southern Italians are part Arab. But almost all Northern Italians are of unmixed European ancestry.
Many early European immigrants, especially Jews, Irish and Italians, were not seen as White upon arrival in the United States of America, as Whiteness describes membership in the society.
Through my extended research, I, Eric "MrE" Carnelli, an Italian American, conclude that Italians are their own class or race beyond a shadow of a doubt. Our culture is rich and our history is strong. The United States has almost force fed classification by wealth into Italian and Jewish Americans as well as Irish Americans minds, therefore, technically, in my opinion, people of Italian descent are not "white" people and fall into the category of Latin or Latino (if referring to a Latin origin from Spain or Portugal), or just plain Italiano.
Many "old school" Italian Americans would disagree with this, considering all the hardships that they faced to become classified as "white" in the eyes of the US Government in the first place, to reap the benefits and escape unfair prosecution. But, research it for yourself. Look up the facts. It's plain as day. Italians deserve to be viewed as Italian, not "white". We are far too proud to settle for anything else.
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lmfao...............
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dag. My mother is italian, from a poor ass mountain town. Worked day labor as an 8 year old. Moved to the states and faced discrimination. She says she's white.
You saying that your only white if your race has never faced any discrimination? pfft smh
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dag. My mother is italian, from a poor ass mountain town. Worked day labor as an 8 year old. Moved to the states and faced discrimination. She says she's white.
You saying that your only white if your race has never faced any discrimination? pfft smh
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yall impaired n screwy...just know its probly the truth when i tell you that i body the booth..like that Colin Ferrel movie
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yall impaired n screwy...just know its probly the truth when i tell you that i body the booth..like that Colin Ferrel movie
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I'm italian and I kind of dont like being put in the same category of other "whites"...so i see what pronto is saying, but, the fact remains...my skin color is WHITE
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I'm italian and I kind of dont like being put in the same category of other "whites"...so i see what pronto is saying, but, the fact remains...my skin color is WHITE
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PUSSY DONT SAY IM NOT BLACK, YOU SHITTY ASS RAPPERS NEED 2 EDUCATE YOSELFS
Italian immigrants to this country suffered a long history of discrimination, exclusion, and violence. There is also a long history of Italian Americans committed to interracial unity and inclusiveness. But many of the Italian American community left their darker immigrant brethren behind when they gained political clout, economic success and acceptance in "white" society.
Many Italians arriving in the U.S. in the late 19th and early 20th centuries (when the largest numbers of Italian immigrants came to the U.S.) were not even considered white, but were labeled "dark" or "dark/white." Condemned as "papists," Italians and Irish alike were considered loyal to a foreign power in Rome.
Italian immigrants were susceptible to the same violence, discrimination, exploitation and scapegoating that other immigrants faced. In the Jim Crow South, there were many cases of Italians lynched by mobs or the Klan, including the infamous 1891 lynching of 11 Italians by a mob in a New Orleans jail.
The recent collection of essays Are Italians White?: How Race Is Made in America, edited by Jennifer Guglielmo and Salvatore Salerno, reveals much of this forgotten history of the Italian immigrant experience in the U.S. The essays reveal that in general Italians gained white identity and the accompanying privileges only by assimilating certain white cultural and political beliefs.
In "How White People Became White," James Barrett and David Roediger document how both Greeks and Italians were characterized as non-white and suffered discrimination, oppression, and violence due to this designation. Italians were referred to as the "Chinese of Europe" and called "half niggers." As Susan Raffo writes, Italians in the U.S. are the southerners, the dark ones, the ignorant peasants who carry statues of the Virgin Mary through their neighborhoods and faint with religious passion. They are not the Venetians or Florentines, the ancestors of the DeMedicis, the Michaelangelos and DaVincis. No, those are Europeans. Historical moments eventually led to the creation of democracy. Italians, well, they are something different. They come in large and dirty numbers to Ellis Island. Too many of them really. Not all the way white. Certainly not white enough, rich enough, or intellectual enough to understand Faulkner. This is not about race. This is about class. About culture and history. And then it is about race.
a couple hundred years ago North African Arabs invaded Sicily & Southern Italy, so some Southern Italians are part Arab. But almost all Northern Italians are of unmixed European ancestry.
Many early European immigrants, especially Jews, Irish and Italians, were not seen as White upon arrival in the United States of America, as Whiteness describes membership in the society.
Through my extended research, I, Eric "MrE" Carnelli, an Italian American, conclude that Italians are their own class or race beyond a shadow of a doubt. Our culture is rich and our history is strong. The United States has almost force fed classification by wealth into Italian and Jewish Americans as well as Irish Americans minds, therefore, technically, in my opinion, people of Italian descent are not "white" people and fall into the category of Latin or Latino (if referring to a Latin origin from Spain or Portugal), or just plain Italiano.
Many "old school" Italian Americans would disagree with this, considering all the hardships that they faced to become classified as "white" in the eyes of the US Government in the first place, to reap the benefits and escape unfair prosecution. But, research it for yourself. Look up the facts. It's plain as day. Italians deserve to be viewed as Italian, not "white". We are far too proud to settle for anything else.
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PUSSY DONT SAY IM NOT BLACK, YOU SHITTY ASS RAPPERS NEED 2 EDUCATE YOSELFS
Italian immigrants to this country suffered a long history of discrimination, exclusion, and violence. There is also a long history of Italian Americans committed to interracial unity and inclusiveness. But many of the Italian American community left their darker immigrant brethren behind when they gained political clout, economic success and acceptance in "white" society.
Many Italians arriving in the U.S. in the late 19th and early 20th centuries (when the largest numbers of Italian immigrants came to the U.S.) were not even considered white, but were labeled "dark" or "dark/white." Condemned as "papists," Italians and Irish alike were considered loyal to a foreign power in Rome.
Italian immigrants were susceptible to the same violence, discrimination, exploitation and scapegoating that other immigrants faced. In the Jim Crow South, there were many cases of Italians lynched by mobs or the Klan, including the infamous 1891 lynching of 11 Italians by a mob in a New Orleans jail.
The recent collection of essays Are Italians White?: How Race Is Made in America, edited by Jennifer Guglielmo and Salvatore Salerno, reveals much of this forgotten history of the Italian immigrant experience in the U.S. The essays reveal that in general Italians gained white identity and the accompanying privileges only by assimilating certain white cultural and political beliefs.
In "How White People Became White," James Barrett and David Roediger document how both Greeks and Italians were characterized as non-white and suffered discrimination, oppression, and violence due to this designation. Italians were referred to as the "Chinese of Europe" and called "half niggers." As Susan Raffo writes, Italians in the U.S. are the southerners, the dark ones, the ignorant peasants who carry statues of the Virgin Mary through their neighborhoods and faint with religious passion. They are not the Venetians or Florentines, the ancestors of the DeMedicis, the Michaelangelos and DaVincis. No, those are Europeans. Historical moments eventually led to the creation of democracy. Italians, well, they are something different. They come in large and dirty numbers to Ellis Island. Too many of them really. Not all the way white. Certainly not white enough, rich enough, or intellectual enough to understand Faulkner. This is not about race. This is about class. About culture and history. And then it is about race.
a couple hundred years ago North African Arabs invaded Sicily & Southern Italy, so some Southern Italians are part Arab. But almost all Northern Italians are of unmixed European ancestry.
Many early European immigrants, especially Jews, Irish and Italians, were not seen as White upon arrival in the United States of America, as Whiteness describes membership in the society.
Through my extended research, I, Eric "MrE" Carnelli, an Italian American, conclude that Italians are their own class or race beyond a shadow of a doubt. Our culture is rich and our history is strong. The United States has almost force fed classification by wealth into Italian and Jewish Americans as well as Irish Americans minds, therefore, technically, in my opinion, people of Italian descent are not "white" people and fall into the category of Latin or Latino (if referring to a Latin origin from Spain or Portugal), or just plain Italiano.
Many "old school" Italian Americans would disagree with this, considering all the hardships that they faced to become classified as "white" in the eyes of the US Government in the first place, to reap the benefits and escape unfair prosecution. But, research it for yourself. Look up the facts. It's plain as day. Italians deserve to be viewed as Italian, not "white". We are far too proud to settle for anything else.
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no but the person he copied and pasted from may have gotten an A on it
unless of course he actually wrote all that in 3 minutes?? lol
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no but the person he copied and pasted from may have gotten an A on it
unless of course he actually wrote all that in 3 minutes?? lol
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Dosage saying "I don't like being put in the catagory of other whites". I bet Dosage looks in the mirror and shakes his fist at himself.
A white guys oppression is not being voted into office despite being more qualified for the job.
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Dosage saying "I don't like being put in the catagory of other whites". I bet Dosage looks in the mirror and shakes his fist at himself.
A white guys oppression is not being voted into office despite being more qualified for the job.
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STFU EtH Your Fucking Albino I Bet.
And That's Retarded @ "I'm Italian Not White" YOUR WHITE! That's Like Saying Me Saying "I'm Not Latin, I'm Mexican". Latin Is A General Term, Like White And White Is A General Term Given To People Who Are Customarily From Europe And Nations Where The Pigmentation Of The General Population Is "Light Skinned".
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STFU EtH Your Fucking Albino I Bet.
And That's Retarded @ "I'm Italian Not White" YOUR WHITE! That's Like Saying Me Saying "I'm Not Latin, I'm Mexican". Latin Is A General Term, Like White And White Is A General Term Given To People Who Are Customarily From Europe And Nations Where The Pigmentation Of The General Population Is "Light Skinned".
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Stu tries to be smart, yet says white people are european. Good one Stu.
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Stu tries to be smart, yet says white people are european. Good one Stu.
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