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Unread 02-09-2011, 03:27 AM
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You guys brought great shame and dishonour upon this site yesterday

I'll name no names today, you all know who you are

Now hang your heads in shame
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Unread 02-09-2011, 03:27 AM   #1
 
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You guys brought great shame and dishonour upon this site yesterday

I'll name no names today, you all know who you are

Now hang your heads in shame
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Unread 02-09-2011, 05:07 AM
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Unread 02-09-2011, 05:07 AM   #2
 
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Unread 02-09-2011, 05:49 AM
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oh word. thats how you feel ceric8585??
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Unread 02-09-2011, 06:36 AM
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Damn....What Did They Do Yesterday?
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Unread 02-09-2011, 07:03 AM
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Smh @ Just C being a side switcher....
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Unread 02-09-2011, 09:34 AM
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Pulse, the only reason you hate netcees is the same reason you hate all those sites, they think you're a complete faggot. You somehow luckily dodged it here, and like one or two guys dont think you are a faggot on bbe, despire the vast majority thinking so. You act like you "been doing that jokes shit" for years on the internet, but you go over there I bet they would eat you alive in the forums, leaving you looking as much of a fag as you actually are. This might be the only place, real or net, that you arent considered a complete fag, so yeah, you better be pretty damn appretiative.

LB looked stupid but it makes no change. Literally ever site thinks we suck, mainly because of the voting and battle system. Also because every site beef we've had usually consisted of many mid carders starting shit, and then getting merked/
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Pulse, the only reason you hate netcees is the same reason you hate all those sites, they think you're a complete faggot. You somehow luckily dodged it here, and like one or two guys dont think you are a faggot on bbe, despire the vast majority thinking so. You act like you "been doing that jokes shit" for years on the internet, but you go over there I bet they would eat you alive in the forums, leaving you looking as much of a fag as you actually are. This might be the only place, real or net, that you arent considered a complete fag, so yeah, you better be pretty damn appretiative.

LB looked stupid but it makes no change. Literally ever site thinks we suck, mainly because of the voting and battle system. Also because every site beef we've had usually consisted of many mid carders starting shit, and then getting merked/
 
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Unread 02-09-2011, 09:37 AM
JaeeySmoke
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ceric is bout dat life
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Unread 02-09-2011, 09:41 AM
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And you shut up too JSmoke. You are just some guy who was previously unknown and pretty much average at best trying to diss a site that you log into daily. You go around acting like you were the best around, but you come from a weak site which never even got passed the beta. No one on any site knows you, so how the fuck can you be a big bad vet? You fucking suck and if LB sucks so bad, and you suck on LB, that pretty much sums up everything regarding to that matter.

That spammer by the looks of it was a netcees dude. Usually spammers wouldnt spam in the one thread as it is pointless.
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And you shut up too JSmoke. You are just some guy who was previously unknown and pretty much average at best trying to diss a site that you log into daily. You go around acting like you were the best around, but you come from a weak site which never even got passed the beta. No one on any site knows you, so how the fuck can you be a big bad vet? You fucking suck and if LB sucks so bad, and you suck on LB, that pretty much sums up everything regarding to that matter.

That spammer by the looks of it was a netcees dude. Usually spammers wouldnt spam in the one thread as it is pointless.
 
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Unread 02-09-2011, 10:29 AM
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Uneth, Stop Pointing Shit Out Hahaha

Fuck Netcee's .... Alien Is THe Only Nice Cat Over There, The Rest Can Bite the Big One
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Unread 02-09-2011, 10:44 AM
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And you shut up too JSmoke. You are just some guy who was previously unknown and pretty much average at best trying to diss a site that you log into daily. You go around acting like you were the best around, but you come from a weak site which never even got passed the beta. No one on any site knows you, so how the fuck can you be a big bad vet? You fucking suck and if LB sucks so bad, and you suck on LB, that pretty much sums up everything regarding to that matter.

Average??? Who is better than me here ??? My name is GODSHAND im a legend in RW, HF, SV, GM, ETC. I came from freestylemadness cuz I'm working on transition from text to audio my free flows in 3 different sites hall of fame text wise shut the fuck up..............anybody tehre wud own you this site is a piece fo shit look at the voting systems

u gotta be a dick riding fagot to get votes NO fucking LIE
that shit dont happen in ANY forum website cuz DICK RIDERS get PUT OUT to quickly

shut the fucK up kid.. this site does suck but than again I dont really give a fuck the text scene has been played out since 2002 im just tryna get wet behind the ears again after a HUGE BREAK so ican go in audio


kill ur self if u think "LB" is really good compared to forum sites they'll make everyone here look like fools except

me, general

and thats it basically
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Unread 02-09-2011, 10:44 AM   #10
 
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And you shut up too JSmoke. You are just some guy who was previously unknown and pretty much average at best trying to diss a site that you log into daily. You go around acting like you were the best around, but you come from a weak site which never even got passed the beta. No one on any site knows you, so how the fuck can you be a big bad vet? You fucking suck and if LB sucks so bad, and you suck on LB, that pretty much sums up everything regarding to that matter.

Average??? Who is better than me here ??? My name is GODSHAND im a legend in RW, HF, SV, GM, ETC. I came from freestylemadness cuz I'm working on transition from text to audio my free flows in 3 different sites hall of fame text wise shut the fuck up..............anybody tehre wud own you this site is a piece fo shit look at the voting systems

u gotta be a dick riding fagot to get votes NO fucking LIE
that shit dont happen in ANY forum website cuz DICK RIDERS get PUT OUT to quickly

shut the fucK up kid.. this site does suck but than again I dont really give a fuck the text scene has been played out since 2002 im just tryna get wet behind the ears again after a HUGE BREAK so ican go in audio


kill ur self if u think "LB" is really good compared to forum sites they'll make everyone here look like fools except

me, general

and thats it basically
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