Universal Basic Income

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What are your views on this concept? For those who aren't familiar, it is basically an unconditional and livable stipend everyone receives from the government to meet their basic needs. Many governments and municipalities are testing it out now since full automation (everyone's jobs being replaced by robots and AI) seems practically inevitable and likely to occur within the next 30 years.
When the machines have taken over all our jobs and we're all out of work and our only (or main) source of income comes from the government which doles out an equal amount to everyone, isn't this essentially socialism? How will society change when we don't have to work? How will governments change when we are no longer a source of tax revenue to them, but rather a sort of liability that they must pay for and look after?

Discuss

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What are your views on this concept? For those who aren't familiar, it is basically an unconditional and livable stipend everyone receives from the government to meet their basic needs. Many governments and municipalities are testing it out now since full automation (everyone's jobs being replaced by robots and AI) seems practically inevitable and likely to occur within the next 30 years.
When the machines have taken over all our jobs and we're all out of work and our only (or main) source of income comes from the government which doles out an equal amount to everyone, isn't this essentially socialism? How will society change when we don't have to work? How will governments change when we are no longer a source of tax revenue to them, but rather a sort of liability that they must pay for and look after?

Discuss

[ILLoKWENT]

By that time. Stores could charge anything they want, and we will be shit outta luck. As far as of right now, there shouldn't be a universal income, because why the fuck should I work hard for something so someone else can sit on their ass

[ILLoKWENT]

By that time. Stores could charge anything they want, and we will be shit outta luck. As far as of right now, there shouldn't be a universal income, because why the fuck should I work hard for something so someone else can sit on their ass

[Student]

I support it on this basis: That people receive enough to cover the basics, to pay their bills and that's it. With the freedom of not worrying about shelter or food then people are able to be creative and brand out into endeavors based on love for what they do, not on the ability to provide for their family. Of course there's going to be people who take advantage of the system and simply don't work BUT they'll live a unfulfilled and boring life.

In theory it makes sense but then again people aren't perfect and therefore it won't be a "perfect system" so it's open to be manipulated.

[Student]

I support it on this basis: That people receive enough to cover the basics, to pay their bills and that's it. With the freedom of not worrying about shelter or food then people are able to be creative and brand out into endeavors based on love for what they do, not on the ability to provide for their family. Of course there's going to be people who take advantage of the system and simply don't work BUT they'll live a unfulfilled and boring life.

In theory it makes sense but then again people aren't perfect and therefore it won't be a "perfect system" so it's open to be manipulated.

[Erupt da Monsta]

Originally Posted by Student

I support it on this basis: That people receive enough to cover the basics, to pay their bills and that's it. With the freedom of not worrying about shelter or food then people are able to be creative and brand out into endeavors based on love for what they do, not on the ability to provide for their family. Of course there's going to be people who take advantage of the system and simply don't work BUT they'll live a unfulfilled and boring life.

In theory it makes sense but then again people aren't perfect and therefore it won't be a "perfect system" so it's open to be manipulated.

This^

I feel it would benefit those with dreams and ambitions at the mid-highest level more comfy and more creative,and only make those with less ambition fall deeper into a dark abyss once they become even more reliable on the government.

Its almost like how welfare for the black community, etc if you understand that logic and how it made a certain type of people more dependable, and less active

so in theory it would be benefiting the governments agenda at a deeper level, which im sure none of us could comprehend fully at this time.

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Basically it sounds like a way to make people even more dependent on A.I. If we dont have to work as hard, we get lazy in turn, thats when AI / robots and technology comes into play. Making it even easier for the AI/Robot/Technology takeover which at the end of the day is the agenda.

[Erupt da Monsta]

Originally Posted by Student

I support it on this basis: That people receive enough to cover the basics, to pay their bills and that's it. With the freedom of not worrying about shelter or food then people are able to be creative and brand out into endeavors based on love for what they do, not on the ability to provide for their family. Of course there's going to be people who take advantage of the system and simply don't work BUT they'll live a unfulfilled and boring life.

In theory it makes sense but then again people aren't perfect and therefore it won't be a "perfect system" so it's open to be manipulated.

This^

I feel it would benefit those with dreams and ambitions at the mid-highest level more comfy and more creative,and only make those with less ambition fall deeper into a dark abyss once they become even more reliable on the government.

Its almost like how welfare for the black community, etc if you understand that logic and how it made a certain type of people more dependable, and less active

so in theory it would be benefiting the governments agenda at a deeper level, which im sure none of us could comprehend fully at this time.

---------- Post added at 02:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:44 PM ----------

Basically it sounds like a way to make people even more dependent on A.I. If we dont have to work as hard, we get lazy in turn, thats when AI / robots and technology comes into play. Making it even easier for the AI/Robot/Technology takeover which at the end of the day is the agenda.

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It somehow doesn't make sense to me. So the major corporations, who would've all employed robots and AI, will be the main or sole taxpayers since everyone is out of work. They will pay the government taxes, the government will distribute those tax dollars as universal basic income to a populace which will use those dollars to purchase items produced (for profit) by those same corporations. How exactly are the corporations profiting from this? Wouldn't they be essentially paying their own customers?

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It somehow doesn't make sense to me. So the major corporations, who would've all employed robots and AI, will be the main or sole taxpayers since everyone is out of work. They will pay the government taxes, the government will distribute those tax dollars as universal basic income to a populace which will use those dollars to purchase items produced (for profit) by those same corporations. How exactly are the corporations profiting from this? Wouldn't they be essentially paying their own customers?

I support universal basic income, on the basis that autonomization will eventually kill a mass majority of the global job market.

I support universal basic income, on the basis that autonomization will eventually kill a mass majority of the global job market.

[Erupt da Monsta]

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#RobotRappers2050

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Originally Posted by Erupt

#RobotRappers2050

Yo there's actually an app out right now where you can just talk normal and it turns whatever you say into a rap.

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Originally Posted by Erupt

#RobotRappers2050

Yo there's actually an app out right now where you can just talk normal and it turns whatever you say into a rap.

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There are also other genres of music that are composed entirely by AI. We're doomed.

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There are also other genres of music that are composed entirely by AI. We're doomed.

I'm cool with UBI. It seems to make sense to me. I haven't looked into it on a deeper level but as automation becomes prevalent in more jobs and more people are laid off something will have to change.

I'm cool with UBI. It seems to make sense to me. I haven't looked into it on a deeper level but as automation becomes prevalent in more jobs and more people are laid off something will have to change.