Does social standard determine morality?

Is what is socially acceptable always what is moral?

Is what is moral always what is socially acceptable?

Discuss.

Is what is socially acceptable always what is moral?

Is what is moral always what is socially acceptable?

Discuss.

[NOBLE]

I think moral quality boils down to an individual's intention and motivation for committing an act.

[NOBLE]

I think moral quality boils down to an individual's intention and motivation for committing an act.

[Babylon]

Not "always" but historically, what a system agrees & deems is acceptable or non-acceptable seems to begin playing on the nationalistic/tribal sides in a big part of people within that system, and lots of times that sense of "being a part of a team" can allow a population to feel justified in otherwise immoral behavior.

[Babylon]

Not "always" but historically, what a system agrees & deems is acceptable or non-acceptable seems to begin playing on the nationalistic/tribal sides in a big part of people within that system, and lots of times that sense of "being a part of a team" can allow a population to feel justified in otherwise immoral behavior.

Originally Posted by Babylon

Not "always" but historically, what a system agrees & deems is acceptable or non-acceptable seems to begin playing on the nationalistic/tribal sides in a big part of people within that system, and lots of times that sense of "being a part of a team" can allow a population to feel justified in otherwise immoral behavior.

Does justification necessitate morality, though? If not, is it still not immoral behavior, just accepted immoral behavior?

Originally Posted by Babylon

Not "always" but historically, what a system agrees & deems is acceptable or non-acceptable seems to begin playing on the nationalistic/tribal sides in a big part of people within that system, and lots of times that sense of "being a part of a team" can allow a population to feel justified in otherwise immoral behavior.

Does justification necessitate morality, though? If not, is it still not immoral behavior, just accepted immoral behavior?

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Rant

Does justification necessitate morality, though? If not, is it still not immoral behavior, just accepted immoral behavior?

thats exactly what it is, I'm speaking on the human ability to suspend morality in the moment for some misplaced greater sense of the concept. Like a radical christian killing her child before the age of accountability to guarantee him a spot in heaven. The motivation behind carrying out immoral behavior in a flawed act of self perceived justice is a driving factor in how most people end up suspending present moment morality to carry out an otherwise immoral act, and every society uses that logic to some degree from justifying war to allowing some to feel justified in pepper spraying people with trump hats on. I see society having large implications on the actual sense of morality in a population, speaking on a nation-by-nation basis.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Rant

Does justification necessitate morality, though? If not, is it still not immoral behavior, just accepted immoral behavior?

thats exactly what it is, I'm speaking on the human ability to suspend morality in the moment for some misplaced greater sense of the concept. Like a radical christian killing her child before the age of accountability to guarantee him a spot in heaven. The motivation behind carrying out immoral behavior in a flawed act of self perceived justice is a driving factor in how most people end up suspending present moment morality to carry out an otherwise immoral act, and every society uses that logic to some degree from justifying war to allowing some to feel justified in pepper spraying people with trump hats on. I see society having large implications on the actual sense of morality in a population, speaking on a nation-by-nation basis.

Originally Posted by Babylon

thats exactly what it is, I'm speaking on the human ability to suspend morality in the moment for some misplaced greater sense of the concept. Like a radical christian killing her child before the age of accountability to guarantee him a spot in heaven. The motivation behind carrying out immoral behavior in a flawed act of self perceived justice is a driving factor in how most people end up suspending present moment morality to carry out an otherwise immoral act, and every society uses that logic to some degree from justifying war to allowing some to feel justified in pepper spraying people with trump hats on. I see society having large implications on the actual sense of morality in a population, speaking on a nation-by-nation basis.

So, you do not believe that social standard determines morality? But, rather, the sense of morality?

Originally Posted by Babylon

thats exactly what it is, I'm speaking on the human ability to suspend morality in the moment for some misplaced greater sense of the concept. Like a radical christian killing her child before the age of accountability to guarantee him a spot in heaven. The motivation behind carrying out immoral behavior in a flawed act of self perceived justice is a driving factor in how most people end up suspending present moment morality to carry out an otherwise immoral act, and every society uses that logic to some degree from justifying war to allowing some to feel justified in pepper spraying people with trump hats on. I see society having large implications on the actual sense of morality in a population, speaking on a nation-by-nation basis.

So, you do not believe that social standard determines morality? But, rather, the sense of morality?

I recently had a similar convo with someone, this person said to me nothing is good or bad, while thats true to some extent, i mean its a matter of perception, i still feel like its just a human trait to understand whats right an wrong as in you can tell when another being is in need of help an most people want to help to some extent... it's an empathy thing which we all have, psychopaths do not have this though.

As for social norms still again the empathy is there, for example if it was a monthly thing for a tribe of people in there society to feed a person to the local crocodile but one child in the tribe saw the pain an suffering it caused that person and didn't like these ways he is more in touch with empathy which surpass the norms of his tribe, do you get what i mean?

thats what i think about this.

I recently had a similar convo with someone, this person said to me nothing is good or bad, while thats true to some extent, i mean its a matter of perception, i still feel like its just a human trait to understand whats right an wrong as in you can tell when another being is in need of help an most people want to help to some extent... it's an empathy thing which we all have, psychopaths do not have this though.

As for social norms still again the empathy is there, for example if it was a monthly thing for a tribe of people in there society to feed a person to the local crocodile but one child in the tribe saw the pain an suffering it caused that person and didn't like these ways he is more in touch with empathy which surpass the norms of his tribe, do you get what i mean?

thats what i think about this.

Originally Posted by Supsie

I recently had a similar convo with someone, this person said to me nothing is good or bad, while thats true to some extent, i mean its a matter of perception, i still feel like its just a human trait to understand whats right an wrong as in you can tell when another being is in need of help an most people want to help to some extent... it's an empathy thing which we all have, psychopaths do not have this though.

As for social norms still again the empathy is there, for example if it was a monthly thing for a tribe of people in there society to feed a person to the local crocodile but one child in the tribe saw the pain an suffering it caused that person and didn't like these ways he is more in touch with empathy which surpass the norms of his tribe, do you get what i mean?

thats what i think about this.

You're slightly mistaken here. Primary psychopaths, which are predominantly pathological do not experience empathy. Secondary psychopaths, a more environmentally influenced categorization are perfectly capable of such feelings. Often times too much so, leading to anxietal and explosive traits.

Originally Posted by Supsie

I recently had a similar convo with someone, this person said to me nothing is good or bad, while thats true to some extent, i mean its a matter of perception, i still feel like its just a human trait to understand whats right an wrong as in you can tell when another being is in need of help an most people want to help to some extent... it's an empathy thing which we all have, psychopaths do not have this though.

As for social norms still again the empathy is there, for example if it was a monthly thing for a tribe of people in there society to feed a person to the local crocodile but one child in the tribe saw the pain an suffering it caused that person and didn't like these ways he is more in touch with empathy which surpass the norms of his tribe, do you get what i mean?

thats what i think about this.

You're slightly mistaken here. Primary psychopaths, which are predominantly pathological do not experience empathy. Secondary psychopaths, a more environmentally influenced categorization are perfectly capable of such feelings. Often times too much so, leading to anxietal and explosive traits.

Originally Posted by Rant

You're slightly mistaken here. Primary psychopaths, which are predominantly pathological do not experience empathy. Secondary psychopaths, a more environmentally influenced categorization are perfectly capable of such feelings. Often times too much so, leading to anxietal and explosive traits.

yea i know, i actually thought about that after i posted, something similar.

EDIT: so with the the example i used about the kid in the tribe seeing other tribe members throwing someone to a crocodile every month, if he didn't like it meaning he felt sorry for the ones being eaten up, he could become mad at the other tribe members and let that hate for them grow and who knows what he may do with that, or he may chose to see it as they (the other tribe people) do not understand what they are doing to there fellow man and instead he could begin to rescue the people who are lined up to be feed to the croc.

So to have truly powerful and balanced empathy you must be able to have it for all beings even the ones doing the harm otherwise you may become similar to them.

Originally Posted by Rant

You're slightly mistaken here. Primary psychopaths, which are predominantly pathological do not experience empathy. Secondary psychopaths, a more environmentally influenced categorization are perfectly capable of such feelings. Often times too much so, leading to anxietal and explosive traits.

yea i know, i actually thought about that after i posted, something similar.

EDIT: so with the the example i used about the kid in the tribe seeing other tribe members throwing someone to a crocodile every month, if he didn't like it meaning he felt sorry for the ones being eaten up, he could become mad at the other tribe members and let that hate for them grow and who knows what he may do with that, or he may chose to see it as they (the other tribe people) do not understand what they are doing to there fellow man and instead he could begin to rescue the people who are lined up to be feed to the croc.

So to have truly powerful and balanced empathy you must be able to have it for all beings even the ones doing the harm otherwise you may become similar to them.

Originally Posted by Supsie

yea i know, i actually thought about that after i posted, something similar.

Don't lie to me, cuck.

Originally Posted by Supsie

yea i know, i actually thought about that after i posted, something similar.

Don't lie to me, cuck.