The problem with LB text battles (and why multi's will always win over bars)

[Bongo Bear]

I recently returned to LB and found a trend in voting which makes it almost impossible for a MC to win a battle if he/she doesn't fit a certain style of battling.The way LB's voting system is set up creates a active community but it also creates a lazy community. You need to vote on 3 battles to send a text. Some people on LB are fair voters and props to them for bettering LB but, the vast majority do not share this same category. The vast majority is populated by MC's that are interested in battling and not voting (As you would expect with a site filled with battle rappers) so voting is a rushed and neglected process which benefits a specific division of MC's. This division of MC's focus on multi-syllabic rhyme schemes and flow because when the vast majority votes they scan the round once and 9 times out of 10 Multi MC's will hit hardest.
Having actual judges in LB would be great but this isn't something I foresee happening. Just my thoughts on the situation.

[Bongo Bear]

I recently returned to LB and found a trend in voting which makes it almost impossible for a MC to win a battle if he/she doesn't fit a certain style of battling.The way LB's voting system is set up creates a active community but it also creates a lazy community. You need to vote on 3 battles to send a text. Some people on LB are fair voters and props to them for bettering LB but, the vast majority do not share this same category. The vast majority is populated by MC's that are interested in battling and not voting (As you would expect with a site filled with battle rappers) so voting is a rushed and neglected process which benefits a specific division of MC's. This division of MC's focus on multi-syllabic rhyme schemes and flow because when the vast majority votes they scan the round once and 9 times out of 10 Multi MC's will hit hardest.
Having actual judges in LB would be great but this isn't something I foresee happening. Just my thoughts on the situation.

[ice-9]

I think that there's definitely merit to what @Witnezz is saying here. At the moment the 'VP' system is in place to try and counteract people who are not voting 'fairly' or 'correctly'. However, there seems to be relatively little resources available on what a 'fair' or 'correct' vote should encompass.

By my understanding, VP is adjusted manually (correct me if I'm wrong here) and with no indication given to the account or any other user. This means that some people with reduced or zero vote power will be entirely unaware that that's the case or that they are considered to be a 'bad voter'.

This is flawed (to me) on two fronts. Firstly, they have no impact on the ratio of votes but do play a role in the outcome of a battle. It appears that 3 votes are required before a battle will close, and currently it is relatively common to see a battler win 2-1 on votes but lose by 100%. If this system was implemented to allow battlers to continue to earn credits without affecting the outcomes of battles, then battles should be closed once a minimum count of VP has been reached rather than when a certain number of votes have been cast.

Secondly, if battlers aren't aware of their VP how are they supposed to know if they are voting correctly (if this is shown somewhere then I accept I'm an idiot, but feel it should be displayed more prominently)? It would seem to make sense to me that if a voters VP is being adjusted down, then they should be informed and directed towards guides/material to help them adjust their voting process. If no improvement is made... Then they get relegated again, and so on.

This has largely been written up on the basis of a few snippets and large quantities of guess work. If it's utter bollocks then I apologize!

TL; DR - Give people more resources on how to vote properly, and close battles after cumulative VP reaches a certain point, rather than when a certain number of votes have been cast.

[ice-9]

I think that there's definitely merit to what @Witnezz is saying here. At the moment the 'VP' system is in place to try and counteract people who are not voting 'fairly' or 'correctly'. However, there seems to be relatively little resources available on what a 'fair' or 'correct' vote should encompass.

By my understanding, VP is adjusted manually (correct me if I'm wrong here) and with no indication given to the account or any other user. This means that some people with reduced or zero vote power will be entirely unaware that that's the case or that they are considered to be a 'bad voter'.

This is flawed (to me) on two fronts. Firstly, they have no impact on the ratio of votes but do play a role in the outcome of a battle. It appears that 3 votes are required before a battle will close, and currently it is relatively common to see a battler win 2-1 on votes but lose by 100%. If this system was implemented to allow battlers to continue to earn credits without affecting the outcomes of battles, then battles should be closed once a minimum count of VP has been reached rather than when a certain number of votes have been cast.

Secondly, if battlers aren't aware of their VP how are they supposed to know if they are voting correctly (if this is shown somewhere then I accept I'm an idiot, but feel it should be displayed more prominently)? It would seem to make sense to me that if a voters VP is being adjusted down, then they should be informed and directed towards guides/material to help them adjust their voting process. If no improvement is made... Then they get relegated again, and so on.

This has largely been written up on the basis of a few snippets and large quantities of guess work. If it's utter bollocks then I apologize!

TL; DR - Give people more resources on how to vote properly, and close battles after cumulative VP reaches a certain point, rather than when a certain number of votes have been cast.

another one of "these" threads. just shup up n rap




though you do make some sense; people expect you to follow a certain "style" otherwise you're shit. but if youre in the live battling scene and on your first battle, you get bodied and boo'd because of your style, are you gonna do the same thing next battle? no, you gotta adapt to the environment WHILST maintaining your style.

another one of "these" threads. just shup up n rap




though you do make some sense; people expect you to follow a certain "style" otherwise you're shit. but if youre in the live battling scene and on your first battle, you get bodied and boo'd because of your style, are you gonna do the same thing next battle? no, you gotta adapt to the environment WHILST maintaining your style.

@Witnezz 100% Facts. I salute you for pointing that out. Another thing is the name plays a big factor in if you win or not. If your in a close battle with a person who has established a bigger name on letsbeef, majority of the time you will lose. Letsbeef also added back posting battle links on peoples profile which is some fuckery shit. I battled a recent opponent in a 16. I clicked some of the voters pages & I noticed the bitch nigga posted the battle links on the pages. A battle that I lost 53-47% & he used caked/bakery flips, shits been done 100x against me. I understand why the activity is low & current heavyweights battle on otbva/rap-royalty.

@Witnezz 100% Facts. I salute you for pointing that out. Another thing is the name plays a big factor in if you win or not. If your in a close battle with a person who has established a bigger name on letsbeef, majority of the time you will lose. Letsbeef also added back posting battle links on peoples profile which is some fuckery shit. I battled a recent opponent in a 16. I clicked some of the voters pages & I noticed the bitch nigga posted the battle links on the pages. A battle that I lost 53-47% & he used caked/bakery flips, shits been done 100x against me. I understand why the activity is low & current heavyweights battle on otbva/rap-royalty.

[Esso]

by 'bars' do you mean that wilson, will son, will sun stuff you were dropping? those bars arent good enough to win most battles.

[Esso]

by 'bars' do you mean that wilson, will son, will sun stuff you were dropping? those bars arent good enough to win most battles.

[Scientific]

Multis have ALWAYS won on LB & Ive never been sure why. I started a similar post a week ago about this.

To me Multis are just one style of rapping. Not every battle rapper hits every bar with multiple multis in real life, yet theres an expectation that we should. To me a creative punchline, great name/wordplay, personals or a good level of wit will always win. We write as apposed to freestyle, so we have time to think of these things

I enjoy reading well thought out verse as much as I do writing them & I hate when a punchline is sacrificed for a multi, yet they still get the vote

[Scientific]

Multis have ALWAYS won on LB & Ive never been sure why. I started a similar post a week ago about this.

To me Multis are just one style of rapping. Not every battle rapper hits every bar with multiple multis in real life, yet theres an expectation that we should. To me a creative punchline, great name/wordplay, personals or a good level of wit will always win. We write as apposed to freestyle, so we have time to think of these things

I enjoy reading well thought out verse as much as I do writing them & I hate when a punchline is sacrificed for a multi, yet they still get the vote

[Shodan]

If you had bars that weren't utter fucking dogshit then people would vote for them

[Shodan]

If you had bars that weren't utter fucking dogshit then people would vote for them

[Bongo Bear]

I didn't make this thread to bitch about me losing a few battles. I have my flaws and I can see why I lost in some of those battles.Small things like that don't get me vex. I just noticed a trend on Lb and pointed it out which is something that a user on any site should be obligated to do especially in a site that's deeply dependent on the community. I need to work on my style no doubt but, this thread isn't about my battles.

[Bongo Bear]

I didn't make this thread to bitch about me losing a few battles. I have my flaws and I can see why I lost in some of those battles.Small things like that don't get me vex. I just noticed a trend on Lb and pointed it out which is something that a user on any site should be obligated to do especially in a site that's deeply dependent on the community. I need to work on my style no doubt but, this thread isn't about my battles.

So, I don't think multies are the only thing that wins on letsbeef, they do make your bars come off a lot harder. If you're using one or two syllables to rhyme, you seem very nursery rhymish and your style just comes off as easy as fuck to manipulate/work with, and you'll lose a lot of points because of that. Especially in a type of environment where flow isn't exactly the most important thing. If you're going on at least a 3-5 syllable multi you should be golden.

Think about in live battles, if your opponent is rhyming basic things/simple rhymes. such as Knife, life etc. You feel like he already can barely rap right?
Now say your guy says things like, Dartin to smack, Chargin attack.
It just sounds like his rhymes are more thought out and put more effort into his work.

Also you have to account for things like if your punch is set up well, and if your multies work with your punches. I've fallen victim to this where I had a dope concept for a punch, but at the time I didn't have the skills to properly set it up to deliver the message I needed. If you're going for lets say and Aggressive approach ALL YOUR MULTIES NEED TO BE AGRESSIVE/WORK TOWARDS THE PUNCH.

Lots of textcee's don't realize this, as I said I was like this at one point. You can't just throw things out because they rhyme.

I can add more to this later if you want, but I feel like this was a good amount of info already. Letsbeef to my understanding is a pretty fair site. Most of the guys I know here don't sway and are very cool guys. They vote accordingly and I'm known to do the same. Getting salty to a loss you feel you should've won is inevitable. But learn to improve from your losses, rather than be upset that they happened.
Hope this helped some.

So, I don't think multies are the only thing that wins on letsbeef, they do make your bars come off a lot harder. If you're using one or two syllables to rhyme, you seem very nursery rhymish and your style just comes off as easy as fuck to manipulate/work with, and you'll lose a lot of points because of that. Especially in a type of environment where flow isn't exactly the most important thing. If you're going on at least a 3-5 syllable multi you should be golden.

Think about in live battles, if your opponent is rhyming basic things/simple rhymes. such as Knife, life etc. You feel like he already can barely rap right?
Now say your guy says things like, Dartin to smack, Chargin attack.
It just sounds like his rhymes are more thought out and put more effort into his work.

Also you have to account for things like if your punch is set up well, and if your multies work with your punches. I've fallen victim to this where I had a dope concept for a punch, but at the time I didn't have the skills to properly set it up to deliver the message I needed. If you're going for lets say and Aggressive approach ALL YOUR MULTIES NEED TO BE AGRESSIVE/WORK TOWARDS THE PUNCH.

Lots of textcee's don't realize this, as I said I was like this at one point. You can't just throw things out because they rhyme.

I can add more to this later if you want, but I feel like this was a good amount of info already. Letsbeef to my understanding is a pretty fair site. Most of the guys I know here don't sway and are very cool guys. They vote accordingly and I'm known to do the same. Getting salty to a loss you feel you should've won is inevitable. But learn to improve from your losses, rather than be upset that they happened.
Hope this helped some.

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