Science/Religion Debate (BE RESPECTFUL)

[Obey]

I've been reading/watching a lot of Bill Nye and some creationist view-points also. I find them both interesting. Can anyone possibly educate me further on both sides? I'm starting to grow a deeper fascination for Science and the idea of a Creator. Post some interesting comments below, thanks.

[Obey]

I've been reading/watching a lot of Bill Nye and some creationist view-points also. I find them both interesting. Can anyone possibly educate me further on both sides? I'm starting to grow a deeper fascination for Science and the idea of a Creator. Post some interesting comments below, thanks.

[Babylon]

There is far too much information for me to simply start on something.

It's much better if you ask something or make a claim that I can attempt to refute/possibly agree with.

[Babylon]

There is far too much information for me to simply start on something.

It's much better if you ask something or make a claim that I can attempt to refute/possibly agree with.

You can't post this thread and expect an argument not to break out hahahaha... There is a ton of interesting stuff on Youtube though... Neil DeGrasse Tyson & Richard Dawkins are my personal favorites.

You can't post this thread and expect an argument not to break out hahahaha... There is a ton of interesting stuff on Youtube though... Neil DeGrasse Tyson & Richard Dawkins are my personal favorites.

[Obey]

I've watched a video with an EXCELLENT point. A book is a thought, right? It's an idea, someone's information. Information always has a mind behind it, am I correct? DNA is composed of different information about yourself which is passed on from your parents. So like a re-written book through time, there eventually had to be ONE mind behind the information. Could DNA be a good idea that there possibly was a creator? I know Bill Nye is pro-Big Bang, and he brings from valuable points about that. Who's to say God didn't create the universe and the universe didn't spawn a big bang? It could've all been a plan. I'm so brain-fucked in which way to go I almost want to just stop reading all-in-all.

[Obey]

I've watched a video with an EXCELLENT point. A book is a thought, right? It's an idea, someone's information. Information always has a mind behind it, am I correct? DNA is composed of different information about yourself which is passed on from your parents. So like a re-written book through time, there eventually had to be ONE mind behind the information. Could DNA be a good idea that there possibly was a creator? I know Bill Nye is pro-Big Bang, and he brings from valuable points about that. Who's to say God didn't create the universe and the universe didn't spawn a big bang? It could've all been a plan. I'm so brain-fucked in which way to go I almost want to just stop reading all-in-all.

Originally Posted by Obey

I've watched a video with an EXCELLENT point. A book is a thought, right? It's an idea, someone's information. Information always has a mind behind it, am I correct? DNA is composed of different information about yourself which is passed on from your parents. So like a re-written book through time, there eventually had to be ONE mind behind the information. Could DNA be a good idea that there possibly was a creator? I know Bill Nye is pro-Big Bang, and he brings from valuable points about that. Who's to say God didn't create the universe and the universe didn't spawn a big bang? It could've all been a plan. I'm so brain-fucked in which way to go I almost want to just stop reading all-in-all.

Whaaa? There's no mind behind it, DNA being altered is a process of Evolution. @Victor Mancini needs to get in on this. My knowledge of Evolution isn't great but I know enough to get by.

I don't understand this fairy tale image of god (I know you haven't mentioned this Obey). If there truly is a god, and I don't believe there is then he's the biggest scumbag in the universe. To create us, punish us for the imperfections he created, create predators and prey, pathogens and parasites that harm their hosts in the most disgusting ways, to allow poverty and war etc.

Originally Posted by Obey

I've watched a video with an EXCELLENT point. A book is a thought, right? It's an idea, someone's information. Information always has a mind behind it, am I correct? DNA is composed of different information about yourself which is passed on from your parents. So like a re-written book through time, there eventually had to be ONE mind behind the information. Could DNA be a good idea that there possibly was a creator? I know Bill Nye is pro-Big Bang, and he brings from valuable points about that. Who's to say God didn't create the universe and the universe didn't spawn a big bang? It could've all been a plan. I'm so brain-fucked in which way to go I almost want to just stop reading all-in-all.

Whaaa? There's no mind behind it, DNA being altered is a process of Evolution. @Victor Mancini needs to get in on this. My knowledge of Evolution isn't great but I know enough to get by.

I don't understand this fairy tale image of god (I know you haven't mentioned this Obey). If there truly is a god, and I don't believe there is then he's the biggest scumbag in the universe. To create us, punish us for the imperfections he created, create predators and prey, pathogens and parasites that harm their hosts in the most disgusting ways, to allow poverty and war etc.

YES! BE RESPECTFUL! lool

YES! BE RESPECTFUL! lool

[Wonderbred]

This is a huge oversimplification and I'd suggest looking more into the theory, but I'm a big fan of the idea of a Spinoza's God. It basically says that the laws of physics are God's behavior. Back in the 17th and 18th centuries, people didn't try to disprove God with science or math; instead, they actually tried to get closer to him by discovering the behaviors of his universe. Personally, I accept most if not all of the mainstream science theories (big bang, evolution, etc.) but don't necessarily think that they disprove a higher power.

One of my chemistry professors, who's also a devout Christian, actually gave a TED talk on this subject awhile back.

[Wonderbred]

This is a huge oversimplification and I'd suggest looking more into the theory, but I'm a big fan of the idea of a Spinoza's God. It basically says that the laws of physics are God's behavior. Back in the 17th and 18th centuries, people didn't try to disprove God with science or math; instead, they actually tried to get closer to him by discovering the behaviors of his universe. Personally, I accept most if not all of the mainstream science theories (big bang, evolution, etc.) but don't necessarily think that they disprove a higher power.

One of my chemistry professors, who's also a devout Christian, actually gave a TED talk on this subject awhile back.

[Student]

If God Made The Vast Universe (And Only One That We Can Prove So Far) Why Is Our Species So Small If We're Supposed To Be His "Chosen" Creations / "Made In His Image" (Depends On What Religion You Believe In That's Pretty Much The Gist). Wouldn't We Be On Many Planets Like Earth So We Don't Get Wiped Out As A Civilization If One "Giant" (But In Terms Of Our Galaxy Very Very Very Small) Meteorite Hits Our Planet?

Also, I Believe There Are Aliens But Not In The Traditional Sense. They're Not All Green With Giant Black Eyes And Long Fingers Waiting To Probe People. I Believe They're Like Us (But Different, They're "Normal" Appearance Would Be Different Then Ours And Their Languages Or Way Of Communication With Each Other Would Also Be Extremely Different) But Their Intellectual Prowess Isn't Nearly As Advanced As We Assume They Are. Maybe That's Why They Haven't "Found" Us Or Even Communicated, It's Not That They Don't Want To It's That They Can't. They Could Either Be Slightly More Advanced Or Even Underdeveloped (They Could Be In Their "Bronze Age" For All We Know) But The Fact Remains Is That They Haven't Reached Out To Us For A Reason.
It's Not Necessarily A Good Or Bad Thing Either. They Could Consider Murder As Simply Turning Things "Off" Or They Might Have A Sense Of Empathy But We'll Have To Find Out When It Happens.

[Student]

If God Made The Vast Universe (And Only One That We Can Prove So Far) Why Is Our Species So Small If We're Supposed To Be His "Chosen" Creations / "Made In His Image" (Depends On What Religion You Believe In That's Pretty Much The Gist). Wouldn't We Be On Many Planets Like Earth So We Don't Get Wiped Out As A Civilization If One "Giant" (But In Terms Of Our Galaxy Very Very Very Small) Meteorite Hits Our Planet?

Also, I Believe There Are Aliens But Not In The Traditional Sense. They're Not All Green With Giant Black Eyes And Long Fingers Waiting To Probe People. I Believe They're Like Us (But Different, They're "Normal" Appearance Would Be Different Then Ours And Their Languages Or Way Of Communication With Each Other Would Also Be Extremely Different) But Their Intellectual Prowess Isn't Nearly As Advanced As We Assume They Are. Maybe That's Why They Haven't "Found" Us Or Even Communicated, It's Not That They Don't Want To It's That They Can't. They Could Either Be Slightly More Advanced Or Even Underdeveloped (They Could Be In Their "Bronze Age" For All We Know) But The Fact Remains Is That They Haven't Reached Out To Us For A Reason.
It's Not Necessarily A Good Or Bad Thing Either. They Could Consider Murder As Simply Turning Things "Off" Or They Might Have A Sense Of Empathy But We'll Have To Find Out When It Happens.

Originally Posted by Student

If God Made The Vast Universe (And Only One That We Can Prove So Far)

The idea of a Multiverse is fascinating though, if you guys haven't heard of that you need to look it up. It's mind blowing. I think you can find some clips of Neil DeGrasse Tyson talking about it on Youtube.

Originally Posted by Student

If God Made The Vast Universe (And Only One That We Can Prove So Far)

The idea of a Multiverse is fascinating though, if you guys haven't heard of that you need to look it up. It's mind blowing. I think you can find some clips of Neil DeGrasse Tyson talking about it on Youtube.

A while back I watched a show, might have been beyond the wormhole, but it dealt with Parrallel universes. The type of thing where they discuss how there is an exact copy of yourself somewhere in another universe.

It was really interesting. I picked up a couple Carl Sagan books because of it. We don't have an astronomy class in our school either.

A while back I watched a show, might have been beyond the wormhole, but it dealt with Parrallel universes. The type of thing where they discuss how there is an exact copy of yourself somewhere in another universe.

It was really interesting. I picked up a couple Carl Sagan books because of it. We don't have an astronomy class in our school either.