The Holocaust did happen you racist fuck.

[The Ghost of Freak]

First off, what the fuck. Second, thank you to @Jason and @Just C for closing that thread, and you may close this one too. Before you do, I need to put my word in:

Pulse/ @Godbody, you coming to LetsBeef with a Holocaust denying attitude is, in fact, racism (also edging on ban-worthy).

Gas chambers were never disproved, neither were the furnaces where they burned jews and others (blacks, gays, gypsies, etc).

I sat down with a relative when I was young who gave me her first hand account of being in Auschwitz, surviving and escaping during the death marches. A whole branch from my family tree was ruthlessly murdered.....

So, fuck you. Go read a book (Elie Wiesel's "Night" or Victor Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning", ect.) or go actually visit those camps in Poland.

Just don't come on hear again speaking such offensive ignorant garbage. That would be like me creating a thread to deny the Middle Passage and slavery of African Americans... which I would never do, because that is clearly not the truth.

Try to show some respect.

- FREAK

[The Ghost of Freak]

First off, what the fuck. Second, thank you to @Jason and @Just C for closing that thread, and you may close this one too. Before you do, I need to put my word in:

Pulse/ @Godbody, you coming to LetsBeef with a Holocaust denying attitude is, in fact, racism (also edging on ban-worthy).

Gas chambers were never disproved, neither were the furnaces where they burned jews and others (blacks, gays, gypsies, etc).

I sat down with a relative when I was young who gave me her first hand account of being in Auschwitz, surviving and escaping during the death marches. A whole branch from my family tree was ruthlessly murdered.....

So, fuck you. Go read a book (Elie Wiesel's "Night" or Victor Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning", ect.) or go actually visit those camps in Poland.

Just don't come on hear again speaking such offensive ignorant garbage. That would be like me creating a thread to deny the Middle Passage and slavery of African Americans... which I would never do, because that is clearly not the truth.

Try to show some respect.

- FREAK

[NOBLE]

The idea that the Holocaust was made up as a premise for war with Germany is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. The fact that Germany was invading Poland and neighbouring countries and plotting to take over Europe wasn't enough...they had to make up a Holocaust story to find a reason to go to war with them? Smfh.

[NOBLE]

The idea that the Holocaust was made up as a premise for war with Germany is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. The fact that Germany was invading Poland and neighbouring countries and plotting to take over Europe wasn't enough...they had to make up a Holocaust story to find a reason to go to war with them? Smfh.

[Denton]

Pulse makes me want to say the N word sometimes

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And by N word I mean negative asshat

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And by N word I mean negative asshat

[Denton]

Pulse makes me want to say the N word sometimes

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And by N word I mean negative asshat

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And by N word I mean negative asshat

[The Ghost of Freak]

@Jason , I apologize for my strong reaction, but there are few things that hit close to home and that is one of them for me.

My relative I referred to actually got on Schindler's list and gave up her spot for a chunk of diamond, so that she could more importantly be with her little sister.

The two of them were able to flee into a barn when the Germans started death marching prisoners back towards Germany from Poland. As the story goes, the Polish farmers were Nazi sympathizers, but were afraid of the approaching Russian front and therefore didn't give up the location of these two Jewish girls. On the other hand, my relative still believed the farmer's wife stole her diamond, because she never saw it after the Russian's came.

I guess growing up with all the first hand stories, everything from spoken to recorded writings and on film, makes me feel very strongly.

Also, one day in my crazy adolescent years (maybe even in College) when I was raging about inner hatred and my own Judaism, I antagonistically asked my Mom why she was so self-victimizing as a Jew.

Her response was something like, "because I'm still afraid of being negatively identified, lined up against a wall and shot."

Those words from my mother's mouth left an imprint. Now, I just don't stand for historic revisionism of such a traumatic event (or any other for that matter).

I do agree that it is good the Germans have definitely made strives to overcome their violent recent past through historic education.

-FREAK-

[The Ghost of Freak]

@Jason , I apologize for my strong reaction, but there are few things that hit close to home and that is one of them for me.

My relative I referred to actually got on Schindler's list and gave up her spot for a chunk of diamond, so that she could more importantly be with her little sister.

The two of them were able to flee into a barn when the Germans started death marching prisoners back towards Germany from Poland. As the story goes, the Polish farmers were Nazi sympathizers, but were afraid of the approaching Russian front and therefore didn't give up the location of these two Jewish girls. On the other hand, my relative still believed the farmer's wife stole her diamond, because she never saw it after the Russian's came.

I guess growing up with all the first hand stories, everything from spoken to recorded writings and on film, makes me feel very strongly.

Also, one day in my crazy adolescent years (maybe even in College) when I was raging about inner hatred and my own Judaism, I antagonistically asked my Mom why she was so self-victimizing as a Jew.

Her response was something like, "because I'm still afraid of being negatively identified, lined up against a wall and shot."

Those words from my mother's mouth left an imprint. Now, I just don't stand for historic revisionism of such a traumatic event (or any other for that matter).

I do agree that it is good the Germans have definitely made strives to overcome their violent recent past through historic education.

-FREAK-

Shoutout to the germans

Shoutout to the germans

[Execute]

Well, somebody needs a history book yo

[Execute]

Well, somebody needs a history book yo

[Godbody]

Speaking my mind in a public forum is racist and ban worthy? At least I'm contributing content that gets kids like you riled up & into the discussion. That's the point of a public forum. For people to come together and share their opinions. For someone to clear up a question another person has, or to contribute to an argument, or to debunk one.

I'm part German myself, and Steven Spielberg made some bullshit propaganda movie called "The Last Days" where he gets soldiers and Holocaust 'survivors' to tell their story of what happened. & Guess what? A lot of those people were exposed for being liars. You'll see people getting interviewed to audition for the movie & they change their story for the movie for dramatic purposes. There's this one black soldier that said his negro unit liberated a camp and they saw some incredibly crazy shit. The funny shit is..documents & records show that the dude was nowhere near the camp he supposedly liberated

Every war has a premise and not every premise is true. & While not every premise is a lie, that doesn't mean someone won't stretch the truth to accomplish a specific goal. How come there's jews giving their video taped account of what happened, saying they were treated fairly? Saying they were given meals, eating well, playing instruments? a WORK camp =/= DEATH camp. The premise for the war was that Hitler was EXTERMINATING jews. Nah, Hitler didn't do anything differently than the American forefathers by slaving people and killing them when they were too emaciated to continue.

If that's the case we should go back in history to the U.S. indentured servitude and slavery and rename that shit the "Black Holocaust".

U.S. slaves were treated way more unfairly, thrown in boats by hundreds, if not thousands. Shitting and pissing all over each other, dying on top of each other...In the ocean for God knows how many days, weeks, or months. Some were even throw overboard for shits and giggles. Let's not be an overly sensitive bitch about shit you weren't even alive for. All we can do is try to understand what happened and try to find the truth, rather than gravitating to the story that EVERYONE is told about history.

History is written by the winners, never forget this.

& by the way @NOBLE , the U.S. had no reason to interfere with what Germany was doing. That's European business. The Europeans were more than capable of dealing with Germany. And in one of Hitler's famous speeches, he addresses the fact that all the European nations were willing to resolve the conflict peacefully while the U.S. president at the time (Roosevelt) was hell bent on war. Of course the Holocaust wouldn't have been the only premise, but why does the U.S. act as the World Police? The U.S. loves fixing the problems of the world without fixing its own problems. Its why we're fucked now.

[Godbody]

Speaking my mind in a public forum is racist and ban worthy? At least I'm contributing content that gets kids like you riled up & into the discussion. That's the point of a public forum. For people to come together and share their opinions. For someone to clear up a question another person has, or to contribute to an argument, or to debunk one.

I'm part German myself, and Steven Spielberg made some bullshit propaganda movie called "The Last Days" where he gets soldiers and Holocaust 'survivors' to tell their story of what happened. & Guess what? A lot of those people were exposed for being liars. You'll see people getting interviewed to audition for the movie & they change their story for the movie for dramatic purposes. There's this one black soldier that said his negro unit liberated a camp and they saw some incredibly crazy shit. The funny shit is..documents & records show that the dude was nowhere near the camp he supposedly liberated

Every war has a premise and not every premise is true. & While not every premise is a lie, that doesn't mean someone won't stretch the truth to accomplish a specific goal. How come there's jews giving their video taped account of what happened, saying they were treated fairly? Saying they were given meals, eating well, playing instruments? a WORK camp =/= DEATH camp. The premise for the war was that Hitler was EXTERMINATING jews. Nah, Hitler didn't do anything differently than the American forefathers by slaving people and killing them when they were too emaciated to continue.

If that's the case we should go back in history to the U.S. indentured servitude and slavery and rename that shit the "Black Holocaust".

U.S. slaves were treated way more unfairly, thrown in boats by hundreds, if not thousands. Shitting and pissing all over each other, dying on top of each other...In the ocean for God knows how many days, weeks, or months. Some were even throw overboard for shits and giggles. Let's not be an overly sensitive bitch about shit you weren't even alive for. All we can do is try to understand what happened and try to find the truth, rather than gravitating to the story that EVERYONE is told about history.

History is written by the winners, never forget this.

& by the way @NOBLE , the U.S. had no reason to interfere with what Germany was doing. That's European business. The Europeans were more than capable of dealing with Germany. And in one of Hitler's famous speeches, he addresses the fact that all the European nations were willing to resolve the conflict peacefully while the U.S. president at the time (Roosevelt) was hell bent on war. Of course the Holocaust wouldn't have been the only premise, but why does the U.S. act as the World Police? The U.S. loves fixing the problems of the world without fixing its own problems. Its why we're fucked now.

Originally Posted by Godbody

Let's not be an overly sensitive bitch about shit you weren't even alive for.

Wow man. Just, wow.

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Originally Posted by Agonize

Wow man. Just, wow.

And this "Hitler's famous speeches, he addresses the fact that all the European nations were willing to resolve the conflict peacefully" right, cuz Hitler was the epitome of a stand up honest guy. Fuck dude.

Originally Posted by Godbody

Let's not be an overly sensitive bitch about shit you weren't even alive for.

Wow man. Just, wow.

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Originally Posted by Agonize

Wow man. Just, wow.

And this "Hitler's famous speeches, he addresses the fact that all the European nations were willing to resolve the conflict peacefully" right, cuz Hitler was the epitome of a stand up honest guy. Fuck dude.

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Godbody

I'm part German myself.

hahahaha. I'm fucking dead

[J u s T C]

Originally Posted by Godbody

I'm part German myself.

hahahaha. I'm fucking dead

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Godbody

Speaking my mind in a public forum is racist and ban worthy? At least I'm contributing content that gets kids like you riled up & into the discussion. That's the point of a public forum. For people to come together and share their opinions. For someone to clear up a question another person has, or to contribute to an argument, or to debunk one.

I'm part German myself, and Steven Spielberg made some bullshit propaganda movie called "The Last Days" where he gets soldiers and Holocaust 'survivors' to tell their story of what happened. & Guess what? A lot of those people were exposed for being liars. You'll see people getting interviewed to audition for the movie & they change their story for the movie for dramatic purposes. There's this one black soldier that said his negro unit liberated a camp and they saw some incredibly crazy shit. The funny shit is..documents & records show that the dude was nowhere near the camp he supposedly liberated

Every war has a premise and not every premise is true. & While not every premise is a lie, that doesn't mean someone won't stretch the truth to accomplish a specific goal. How come there's jews giving their video taped account of what happened, saying they were treated fairly? Saying they were given meals, eating well, playing instruments? a WORK camp =/= DEATH camp. The premise for the war was that Hitler was EXTERMINATING jews. Nah, Hitler didn't do anything differently than the American forefathers by slaving people and killing them when they were too emaciated to continue.

If that's the case we should go back in history to the U.S. indentured servitude and slavery and rename that shit the "Black Holocaust".

U.S. slaves were treated way more unfairly, thrown in boats by hundreds, if not thousands. Shitting and pissing all over each other, dying on top of each other...In the ocean for God knows how many days, weeks, or months. Some were even throw overboard for shits and giggles. Let's not be an overly sensitive bitch about shit you weren't even alive for. All we can do is try to understand what happened and try to find the truth, rather than gravitating to the story that EVERYONE is told about history.

History is written by the winners, never forget this.

& by the way @NOBLE , the U.S. had no reason to interfere with what Germany was doing. That's European business. The Europeans were more than capable of dealing with Germany. And in one of Hitler's famous speeches, he addresses the fact that all the European nations were willing to resolve the conflict peacefully while the U.S. president at the time (Roosevelt) was hell bent on war. Of course the Holocaust wouldn't have been the only premise, but why does the U.S. act as the World Police? The U.S. loves fixing the problems of the world without fixing its own problems. Its why we're fucked now.

Dude, I normally won't criticize what you say because on some level I can relate. Most of the things you say sounds like me from 10 years ago (real talk). But with this one, you're way off the mark. There were various reasons why WWII happened, but Hitler killing the Jews was probably the LAST reason any of the European countries went to war with Germany. The Jews had been hated and persecuted in virtually every European country throughout history because they were considered as other. Germany is widely considered the European "Fatherland" because most northern Europeans trace their ancestry to Germanic or "Teutonic" tribes, including the English and the French. You really think that they went to war to save the Jews?
WWII happened because Adolf Hitler was on some expansionist shit. He had merged Germany with Austria which they told him not to, refused to pay reparations for WWI damages which Germany owed according to the Treaty of Versailles, invaded Czechoslovakia which was in direct contravention of the Munich agreement, and then he invaded Poland after he said he wouldn't and that he wasn't on no expansionist trip. Pretty much, other countries started to feel like Germany was becoming too strong and if they didn't go to war with them, they would be the next one invaded.
The US joined because they were attacked by Japan in Pearl Harbour. Japan was an ally to Germany in a war that was already ongoing so that automatically pitted the US and Germany against each other. Just do the research for yourself (http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/causes.htm).
And yes, neither you nor I were alive when all this occurred, and you're right that history is always told by the victor and there were propaganda from both sides. But you'd have to use your own logic and look at the situation. If a country whom we had previously went to war with owed us money and didn't pay and they were expanding rapidly and conquering neighbouring territories and it looks like we might be next, you really think they'd have to kill some minorities living within their territory first before we decide to bomb the shit out of them? It makes absolutely no sense.
And considering the horrific nature of what did occur to the Jewish people in Germany, it's like a spit on the face when someone like you comes up and says it never happened.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Godbody

Speaking my mind in a public forum is racist and ban worthy? At least I'm contributing content that gets kids like you riled up & into the discussion. That's the point of a public forum. For people to come together and share their opinions. For someone to clear up a question another person has, or to contribute to an argument, or to debunk one.

I'm part German myself, and Steven Spielberg made some bullshit propaganda movie called "The Last Days" where he gets soldiers and Holocaust 'survivors' to tell their story of what happened. & Guess what? A lot of those people were exposed for being liars. You'll see people getting interviewed to audition for the movie & they change their story for the movie for dramatic purposes. There's this one black soldier that said his negro unit liberated a camp and they saw some incredibly crazy shit. The funny shit is..documents & records show that the dude was nowhere near the camp he supposedly liberated

Every war has a premise and not every premise is true. & While not every premise is a lie, that doesn't mean someone won't stretch the truth to accomplish a specific goal. How come there's jews giving their video taped account of what happened, saying they were treated fairly? Saying they were given meals, eating well, playing instruments? a WORK camp =/= DEATH camp. The premise for the war was that Hitler was EXTERMINATING jews. Nah, Hitler didn't do anything differently than the American forefathers by slaving people and killing them when they were too emaciated to continue.

If that's the case we should go back in history to the U.S. indentured servitude and slavery and rename that shit the "Black Holocaust".

U.S. slaves were treated way more unfairly, thrown in boats by hundreds, if not thousands. Shitting and pissing all over each other, dying on top of each other...In the ocean for God knows how many days, weeks, or months. Some were even throw overboard for shits and giggles. Let's not be an overly sensitive bitch about shit you weren't even alive for. All we can do is try to understand what happened and try to find the truth, rather than gravitating to the story that EVERYONE is told about history.

History is written by the winners, never forget this.

& by the way @NOBLE , the U.S. had no reason to interfere with what Germany was doing. That's European business. The Europeans were more than capable of dealing with Germany. And in one of Hitler's famous speeches, he addresses the fact that all the European nations were willing to resolve the conflict peacefully while the U.S. president at the time (Roosevelt) was hell bent on war. Of course the Holocaust wouldn't have been the only premise, but why does the U.S. act as the World Police? The U.S. loves fixing the problems of the world without fixing its own problems. Its why we're fucked now.

Dude, I normally won't criticize what you say because on some level I can relate. Most of the things you say sounds like me from 10 years ago (real talk). But with this one, you're way off the mark. There were various reasons why WWII happened, but Hitler killing the Jews was probably the LAST reason any of the European countries went to war with Germany. The Jews had been hated and persecuted in virtually every European country throughout history because they were considered as other. Germany is widely considered the European "Fatherland" because most northern Europeans trace their ancestry to Germanic or "Teutonic" tribes, including the English and the French. You really think that they went to war to save the Jews?
WWII happened because Adolf Hitler was on some expansionist shit. He had merged Germany with Austria which they told him not to, refused to pay reparations for WWI damages which Germany owed according to the Treaty of Versailles, invaded Czechoslovakia which was in direct contravention of the Munich agreement, and then he invaded Poland after he said he wouldn't and that he wasn't on no expansionist trip. Pretty much, other countries started to feel like Germany was becoming too strong and if they didn't go to war with them, they would be the next one invaded.
The US joined because they were attacked by Japan in Pearl Harbour. Japan was an ally to Germany in a war that was already ongoing so that automatically pitted the US and Germany against each other. Just do the research for yourself (http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/causes.htm).
And yes, neither you nor I were alive when all this occurred, and you're right that history is always told by the victor and there were propaganda from both sides. But you'd have to use your own logic and look at the situation. If a country whom we had previously went to war with owed us money and didn't pay and they were expanding rapidly and conquering neighbouring territories and it looks like we might be next, you really think they'd have to kill some minorities living within their territory first before we decide to bomb the shit out of them? It makes absolutely no sense.
And considering the horrific nature of what did occur to the Jewish people in Germany, it's like a spit on the face when someone like you comes up and says it never happened.