Some thoughts

So, we all know LB is dead as fuck right now. I think I should at least post some thoughts on what I would do if i had half a chance to.

1st
- there should be multiple "ranks" or weight classes w/e
- to move to the next rank you have to win a certain amount of battles in that rank and vote a certain number of battles
- one mod would be responsible per rank
- in order to move into the Heavyweight.class at all members would need to post that they attempted to tell people about Letsbeef somewhere as well as win enough in the previous rank and vote enough in that rank.

2nd tourneys
- each tourney would need to specific to their ranks
- lower ranked titles don't carry the weight of the heavyweight title
- lower ranks tourneys more often heavyweight tourneys less often

3rd voting power
-Everyones voting power should be reset to 1
-if you prove to be a shit voter your vote power drops to 0
- of you are consistent and a good voter then you get your vote power raised to 2

4th Mods
- Mods should be allowed a "Mod account" that isn't allowed to vote at all
- their "mod account" would not be allowed to join crews.
- they would not be allowed to reveal they are a mod on their other accounts as to not sway

I'm not saying this is EVER going to happen (We know changes aren't coming to LB) but if I had 2 cents I figured I might as well toss um in

So, we all know LB is dead as fuck right now. I think I should at least post some thoughts on what I would do if i had half a chance to.

1st
- there should be multiple "ranks" or weight classes w/e
- to move to the next rank you have to win a certain amount of battles in that rank and vote a certain number of battles
- one mod would be responsible per rank
- in order to move into the Heavyweight.class at all members would need to post that they attempted to tell people about Letsbeef somewhere as well as win enough in the previous rank and vote enough in that rank.

2nd tourneys
- each tourney would need to specific to their ranks
- lower ranked titles don't carry the weight of the heavyweight title
- lower ranks tourneys more often heavyweight tourneys less often

3rd voting power
-Everyones voting power should be reset to 1
-if you prove to be a shit voter your vote power drops to 0
- of you are consistent and a good voter then you get your vote power raised to 2

4th Mods
- Mods should be allowed a "Mod account" that isn't allowed to vote at all
- their "mod account" would not be allowed to join crews.
- they would not be allowed to reveal they are a mod on their other accounts as to not sway

I'm not saying this is EVER going to happen (We know changes aren't coming to LB) but if I had 2 cents I figured I might as well toss um in

[EtH]

And how would you do this?

[EtH]

And how would you do this?

[Letum]

Don't let Eth deter you. Damn the man, rage against the machine or something.

[Letum]

Don't let Eth deter you. Damn the man, rage against the machine or something.

Originally Posted by Champion EtH

And how would you do this?

It would have to be a huge site over hall. Which we all know isn't happening. But if I was in x's spot I would at least consider some of these ideas. Dude seems to have completely lost interest in the site though. Idk if that's true or not just my perception of it.

Originally Posted by Champion EtH

And how would you do this?

It would have to be a huge site over hall. Which we all know isn't happening. But if I was in x's spot I would at least consider some of these ideas. Dude seems to have completely lost interest in the site though. Idk if that's true or not just my perception of it.

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[NOBLE]

I like the idea of "mod accounts" and I've proposed the same thing in the past. I was told X was working on something better, which was more bot mods like @System which would have more capabilities to be able to make mod actions on battles and issue auto-bans/infractions, etc.. This was around the time they got rid of staff, and that hasn't come to fruition.
I've seen better proposals for how to implement weight classes tbh, but I'm not entirely sure if that is what we should be aiming for or if we should rather seek a more classless society (community). I feel like the urge to have things like "mod accounts" or to limit mods being able to enter tourneys, etc., is aiming towards abolishing class, since mods are seen as being of a higher class (as far as LB membership goes) and that they may have undue influence in such scenarios where people are afraid to vote against them or feel compelled to vote for them because of all the help they render. Having weight classes sort of contradicts that urge, since you're literally separating people by class, based on perceived ability or win/loss ratio. Especially if it comes with a title or some special designation, you're going to get a lot of the same sorts of things you're trying to avoid by proposing "mod accounts" or less mod presence in certain areas. In cases where a recognized "Heavyweight" is battling someone from a lower weight class, people will look at the title or designation and feel compelled to vote for the HW for fear of losing their VP or something.
Whether or not you have these labels and designations, you're going to have people that are better than other people, and that will be recognized. There's no need for any additional ranks and designations imo. That has the potential to introduce other problems.

[NOBLE]

I like the idea of "mod accounts" and I've proposed the same thing in the past. I was told X was working on something better, which was more bot mods like @System which would have more capabilities to be able to make mod actions on battles and issue auto-bans/infractions, etc.. This was around the time they got rid of staff, and that hasn't come to fruition.
I've seen better proposals for how to implement weight classes tbh, but I'm not entirely sure if that is what we should be aiming for or if we should rather seek a more classless society (community). I feel like the urge to have things like "mod accounts" or to limit mods being able to enter tourneys, etc., is aiming towards abolishing class, since mods are seen as being of a higher class (as far as LB membership goes) and that they may have undue influence in such scenarios where people are afraid to vote against them or feel compelled to vote for them because of all the help they render. Having weight classes sort of contradicts that urge, since you're literally separating people by class, based on perceived ability or win/loss ratio. Especially if it comes with a title or some special designation, you're going to get a lot of the same sorts of things you're trying to avoid by proposing "mod accounts" or less mod presence in certain areas. In cases where a recognized "Heavyweight" is battling someone from a lower weight class, people will look at the title or designation and feel compelled to vote for the HW for fear of losing their VP or something.
Whether or not you have these labels and designations, you're going to have people that are better than other people, and that will be recognized. There's no need for any additional ranks and designations imo. That has the potential to introduce other problems.

[Preem]

The problem in no active admin simple as that. There always needs to be a leader with the ability to make executive decisions. The only thing that keeps moderators from abusing the little bit of power they have is an admin overseeing activity and investigation grievances from members. Even if the mod team was completely unbias and didn't use their status to sway battles and votes they still lack any real power to change anything that's broken.

[Preem]

The problem in no active admin simple as that. There always needs to be a leader with the ability to make executive decisions. The only thing that keeps moderators from abusing the little bit of power they have is an admin overseeing activity and investigation grievances from members. Even if the mod team was completely unbias and didn't use their status to sway battles and votes they still lack any real power to change anything that's broken.

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Yung Slang

The problem in no active admin simple as that. There always needs to be a leader with the ability to make executive decisions. The only thing that keeps moderators from abusing the little bit of power they have is an admin overseeing activity and investigation grievances from members. Even if the mod team was completely unbias and didn't use their status to sway battles and votes they still lack any real power to change anything that's broken.

I agree with a lot of this. The mods currently don’t have the power to fix any of the major issues on the site yet we cop the blame for it. I still don’t get what the “mods are abusing their power to sway battles” shit’s about but that’s a discussion for another thread.

One thing you need to remember is that mods are just people, so they make mistakes, but that’s true of admins as well. Just look at Pugz, one of the most frequent admins on the site, and also one of the most controversial and heavily-criticised staff members. When multiple admins were instated last year it ended up almost destroying the site (other stuff went on too, but the point is that no matter who you put at the top of the pyramid, there’ll be something they do that isn’t right and you’ll want somebody to hold them to account).

[Kiwi Peewee]

Originally Posted by Yung Slang

The problem in no active admin simple as that. There always needs to be a leader with the ability to make executive decisions. The only thing that keeps moderators from abusing the little bit of power they have is an admin overseeing activity and investigation grievances from members. Even if the mod team was completely unbias and didn't use their status to sway battles and votes they still lack any real power to change anything that's broken.

I agree with a lot of this. The mods currently don’t have the power to fix any of the major issues on the site yet we cop the blame for it. I still don’t get what the “mods are abusing their power to sway battles” shit’s about but that’s a discussion for another thread.

One thing you need to remember is that mods are just people, so they make mistakes, but that’s true of admins as well. Just look at Pugz, one of the most frequent admins on the site, and also one of the most controversial and heavily-criticised staff members. When multiple admins were instated last year it ended up almost destroying the site (other stuff went on too, but the point is that no matter who you put at the top of the pyramid, there’ll be something they do that isn’t right and you’ll want somebody to hold them to account).

[EtH]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

Just look at Pugz, one of the most frequent admins on the site, and also one of the most controversial and heavily-criticised staff members. When multiple admins were instated last year it ended up almost destroying the site (other stuff went on too, but the point is that no matter who you put at the top of the pyramid, there’ll be something they do that isn’t right and you’ll want somebody to hold them to account).

I don't feel right with Kiwi using my shit for his "leave the mods alone" agenda.

[EtH]

Originally Posted by Kiwi Peewee

Just look at Pugz, one of the most frequent admins on the site, and also one of the most controversial and heavily-criticised staff members. When multiple admins were instated last year it ended up almost destroying the site (other stuff went on too, but the point is that no matter who you put at the top of the pyramid, there’ll be something they do that isn’t right and you’ll want somebody to hold them to account).

I don't feel right with Kiwi using my shit for his "leave the mods alone" agenda.

[Preem]

I still don’t get what the “mods are abusing their power to sway battles” shit’s about but that’s a discussion for another thread.

NOBLE explained it well above:

since mods are seen as being of a higher class (as far as LB membership goes) and that they may have undue influence in such scenarios where people are afraid to vote against them or feel compelled to vote for them because of all the help they render.

I've seen this numerous times when a mod battles a member, the member clearly wins but the mod always seems to get a few low effort votes which usually is enough to sway the battle in their favor. Albeit not directly swaying it's still obvious what's happening.

[Preem]

I still don’t get what the “mods are abusing their power to sway battles” shit’s about but that’s a discussion for another thread.

NOBLE explained it well above:

since mods are seen as being of a higher class (as far as LB membership goes) and that they may have undue influence in such scenarios where people are afraid to vote against them or feel compelled to vote for them because of all the help they render.

I've seen this numerous times when a mod battles a member, the member clearly wins but the mod always seems to get a few low effort votes which usually is enough to sway the battle in their favor. Albeit not directly swaying it's still obvious what's happening.