U.S. Border situation

[NOBLE]

What are your views on what's going on at the U.S.'s southern border with the influx of illegal immigrants and the separation of their families?

[NOBLE]

What are your views on what's going on at the U.S.'s southern border with the influx of illegal immigrants and the separation of their families?

[KG The Prince]

it's fuckin stupid, the separation of families

[KG The Prince]

it's fuckin stupid, the separation of families

Originally Posted by NOBLE

What are your views on what's going on at the U.S.'s southern border with the influx of illegal immigrants and the separation of their families?

Are you asking strictly about the backlash that Trump has received or the actual problem itself? I personally feel like there is no real winner in this situation: The separating of families is never a good look no matter what the actual circumstance might be, but I feel like a lot of the illegal immigrants are cheating the system by using their kids as an excuse to get in to the country. It's really a lose-lose scenario at this point for a situation that shouldn't be this complicated (trying to go about the process legally shouldn't be a complicated matter, either, but for some it's an issue that's completely out of their hands.)

As far the backlash towards Trump? I feel like he's catching a lot of the heat over a policy he didn't put in to place. The prior administrations were doing the same exact things that he has been suggesting, but there was no outrage towards it in the slightest, so I feel people are being a bit hypocritical about it now when they stood in silence towards the same issue years ago.

Originally Posted by NOBLE

What are your views on what's going on at the U.S.'s southern border with the influx of illegal immigrants and the separation of their families?

Are you asking strictly about the backlash that Trump has received or the actual problem itself? I personally feel like there is no real winner in this situation: The separating of families is never a good look no matter what the actual circumstance might be, but I feel like a lot of the illegal immigrants are cheating the system by using their kids as an excuse to get in to the country. It's really a lose-lose scenario at this point for a situation that shouldn't be this complicated (trying to go about the process legally shouldn't be a complicated matter, either, but for some it's an issue that's completely out of their hands.)

As far the backlash towards Trump? I feel like he's catching a lot of the heat over a policy he didn't put in to place. The prior administrations were doing the same exact things that he has been suggesting, but there was no outrage towards it in the slightest, so I feel people are being a bit hypocritical about it now when they stood in silence towards the same issue years ago.

Its fucked up. Its doing lasting damage to the emotional and mental development of children who have no say in their situation. Miss me with that "if they dont want their kids taken away they shouldnt be sneaking across the border" bullshit too. You dont take little kids from their parents and lock them in cages. Its deplorable. Its torture. And if you try in any way to justify it you can suck an aids dick.

Its fucked up. Its doing lasting damage to the emotional and mental development of children who have no say in their situation. Miss me with that "if they dont want their kids taken away they shouldnt be sneaking across the border" bullshit too. You dont take little kids from their parents and lock them in cages. Its deplorable. Its torture. And if you try in any way to justify it you can suck an aids dick.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Lockhart

Are you asking strictly about the backlash that Trump has received or the actual problem itself? I personally feel like there is no real winner in this situation: The separating of families is never a good look no matter what the actual circumstance might be, but I feel like a lot of the illegal immigrants are cheating the system by using their kids as an excuse to get in to the country. It's really a lose-lose scenario at this point for a situation that shouldn't be this complicated (trying to go about the process legally shouldn't be a complicated matter, either, but for some it's an issue that's completely out of their hands.)

As far the backlash towards Trump? I feel like he's catching a lot of the heat over a policy he didn't put in to place. The prior administrations were doing the same exact things that he has been suggesting, but there was no outrage towards it in the slightest, so I feel people are being a bit hypocritical about it now when they stood in silence towards the same issue years ago.

Can you provide proof that previous administrations separated detained immigrant families? I've heard that that's untrue. I am asking about both the situation and the backlash.
You think they are using their kids to cheat their way into the country? Do you agree that these people are fleeing atrocities in their homeland? If so, are they supposed to leave their kids behind? I understand what you're saying about going though the normal process but....how long does immigration applications normally take to process and is that feasible for someone who's in a desperate situation and who has to protect their family right now?

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Lockhart

Are you asking strictly about the backlash that Trump has received or the actual problem itself? I personally feel like there is no real winner in this situation: The separating of families is never a good look no matter what the actual circumstance might be, but I feel like a lot of the illegal immigrants are cheating the system by using their kids as an excuse to get in to the country. It's really a lose-lose scenario at this point for a situation that shouldn't be this complicated (trying to go about the process legally shouldn't be a complicated matter, either, but for some it's an issue that's completely out of their hands.)

As far the backlash towards Trump? I feel like he's catching a lot of the heat over a policy he didn't put in to place. The prior administrations were doing the same exact things that he has been suggesting, but there was no outrage towards it in the slightest, so I feel people are being a bit hypocritical about it now when they stood in silence towards the same issue years ago.

Can you provide proof that previous administrations separated detained immigrant families? I've heard that that's untrue. I am asking about both the situation and the backlash.
You think they are using their kids to cheat their way into the country? Do you agree that these people are fleeing atrocities in their homeland? If so, are they supposed to leave their kids behind? I understand what you're saying about going though the normal process but....how long does immigration applications normally take to process and is that feasible for someone who's in a desperate situation and who has to protect their family right now?

There is no evidence. There are no pictures of kids in cages. Democrats are just as guilty as being evil, self-serving plutocrats and there may have been cases where families were broken up but the intensity and frequency is nothing like what were currently seeing. 2,000 kids in 2 months were locked up like animals, screaming for their mothers while armed guards looked on including at least one convicted child sex offender.

There is no evidence. There are no pictures of kids in cages. Democrats are just as guilty as being evil, self-serving plutocrats and there may have been cases where families were broken up but the intensity and frequency is nothing like what were currently seeing. 2,000 kids in 2 months were locked up like animals, screaming for their mothers while armed guards looked on including at least one convicted child sex offender.

[KG The Prince]

people are always quiet, keepin their opinions to themselves, but when tha shit really gets poppin, that's when everyone loses it ... like tha olympics or world cup for example, no one gives that much of a shit till it gets close to startin ... so now this shit's happenin people are obviously gonna freak out, whereas, as Lock said, they stayed quiet when it didn't ... people wouldn't try jumping into a country using their kids, no parents that idiotic, well at least i hope not

[KG The Prince]

people are always quiet, keepin their opinions to themselves, but when tha shit really gets poppin, that's when everyone loses it ... like tha olympics or world cup for example, no one gives that much of a shit till it gets close to startin ... so now this shit's happenin people are obviously gonna freak out, whereas, as Lock said, they stayed quiet when it didn't ... people wouldn't try jumping into a country using their kids, no parents that idiotic, well at least i hope not

It's been going on since 1997 I think...

It's been going on since 1997 I think...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...aration-border

I'll summarize what I said to NOBLE here real quick: I feel like a lot of similarities are present in regard to how families were detained by the previous administrations and the Trump administrations. A lot of them are trying to flee a lot of the atrocities of their homeland, but I feel trying to go about this the legal way would be much more of an aid to them than what most are trying to do when it comes to coming over illegally. Which goes in to the next point that NOBLE made: it isn't feasible at all for a family who is trying to seek protection, which is where the U.S. needs to step its game up when it comes to helping these families. The problem is that a lot of these families are getting put to the side because of illegal immigrants with criminal backgrounds are coming and causing a lot of the same issues that they caused in their native country, so that causes another can of worms to get opened.

As an aside: I feel putting children in cages is torture. That is completely unacceptable and it should never be tolerated no matter the circumstance. We have the means to provide much better sheltering for families to where something like this should NEVER occur.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...aration-border

I'll summarize what I said to NOBLE here real quick: I feel like a lot of similarities are present in regard to how families were detained by the previous administrations and the Trump administrations. A lot of them are trying to flee a lot of the atrocities of their homeland, but I feel trying to go about this the legal way would be much more of an aid to them than what most are trying to do when it comes to coming over illegally. Which goes in to the next point that NOBLE made: it isn't feasible at all for a family who is trying to seek protection, which is where the U.S. needs to step its game up when it comes to helping these families. The problem is that a lot of these families are getting put to the side because of illegal immigrants with criminal backgrounds are coming and causing a lot of the same issues that they caused in their native country, so that causes another can of worms to get opened.

As an aside: I feel putting children in cages is torture. That is completely unacceptable and it should never be tolerated no matter the circumstance. We have the means to provide much better sheltering for families to where something like this should NEVER occur.

[Shodan]

Illegal immigrants really ought to be deported just on principle. They came here illegally, so they can't be allowed to stay. If you think they ought to be allowed to remain here, then what you need to lobby for is a change to US immigration laws that will make it much easier for people to come here legally.

On the other hand, separating children from their families because their parents illegally immigrated is abominable. When you send them back, send them all back. Don't split them up. End of story.

[Shodan]

Illegal immigrants really ought to be deported just on principle. They came here illegally, so they can't be allowed to stay. If you think they ought to be allowed to remain here, then what you need to lobby for is a change to US immigration laws that will make it much easier for people to come here legally.

On the other hand, separating children from their families because their parents illegally immigrated is abominable. When you send them back, send them all back. Don't split them up. End of story.