ILLMANIA 4: Track Battle - SuperGuy Vs Mani Mula Vs Punk

[The Dope Man]

not knockin Rule, but like i said in the beginning it would have been more interesting if everyone did a track battle diss, considering it is a crew battle. You already got a topical & i even think thats not battle worthy.

Punk did have the overall better track tho, would of just liked to see it be a diss instead, but he knew what he needed to do to take the Win.

#IMO

[The Dope Man]

not knockin Rule, but like i said in the beginning it would have been more interesting if everyone did a track battle diss, considering it is a crew battle. You already got a topical & i even think thats not battle worthy.

Punk did have the overall better track tho, would of just liked to see it be a diss instead, but he knew what he needed to do to take the Win.

#IMO

[RULE]

Critque is noted tho, if Illy 5 ever happens i might consider making it a diss track only event.

[RULE]

Critque is noted tho, if Illy 5 ever happens i might consider making it a diss track only event.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Just C

I'm not excusing Rule. I'm pretty sure he's aware that he coulda have been more focused on setting the ground rules for the tracks but as far as I'm aware you're not even taking part in this.

You really gonna sideline and take pot shots at him?

You know you can always organize your own tourney.

He might not have gone about it 100% the right way but at least he's making the effort and giving you guys something to do.

Or maybe I just read wrong?

What? It wouldn't be RULE's fault if the two contestants chose to spit random topical verses, it would be the contestants. I've given RULE props on multiple occasions for this & each time it was well deserved, this is one of the most comprehensive and well thought out tournaments I've ever seen & will play a part in LB history.

And I didn't read that part of the OP, RULE, but nonetheless, I thought the topical approach was hella weak personally, though it obviously had good responses from most of you guys so it worked out for them at least. And I also like how grizz/AT can say something then I say the exact same shit and get "he's trying to be relevant" comments for it, you fuckers are on some major dick riding shit.

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by Just C

I'm not excusing Rule. I'm pretty sure he's aware that he coulda have been more focused on setting the ground rules for the tracks but as far as I'm aware you're not even taking part in this.

You really gonna sideline and take pot shots at him?

You know you can always organize your own tourney.

He might not have gone about it 100% the right way but at least he's making the effort and giving you guys something to do.

Or maybe I just read wrong?

What? It wouldn't be RULE's fault if the two contestants chose to spit random topical verses, it would be the contestants. I've given RULE props on multiple occasions for this & each time it was well deserved, this is one of the most comprehensive and well thought out tournaments I've ever seen & will play a part in LB history.

And I didn't read that part of the OP, RULE, but nonetheless, I thought the topical approach was hella weak personally, though it obviously had good responses from most of you guys so it worked out for them at least. And I also like how grizz/AT can say something then I say the exact same shit and get "he's trying to be relevant" comments for it, you fuckers are on some major dick riding shit.

[GRizzEAT]

u tha man tho, @Crysis

[GRizzEAT]

u tha man tho, @Crysis

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by GRizzEAT

u tha man tho, @Crysis

ukno

[Babylon]

Originally Posted by GRizzEAT

u tha man tho, @Crysis

ukno

[J u s T C]

I typed up a long ass expo but I've been down this road before. Plus other reasons.

No point focusing on whats done.

[J u s T C]

I typed up a long ass expo but I've been down this road before. Plus other reasons.

No point focusing on whats done.

[Mani Mula]

[QUOTE=Just C;1034586]Mani.

Beat

Not a beat I woulda personally picked because the hook sections too intrusive for a diss track. it feels like it's popping up every 30 seconds, but for a diss track it had the potential to be something killer with the Final Countdown opening and hook sections, just a shame it kinda contracts itself because it comes into play so often like I said.

A beat like Supahypes only with more personality and oomph woulda been better. Like Phils dissing benson using the Jada beat. No hooks just raw bars. Or if it has a hook section it isn't so obvious it MAKES you feel like you have drop into a hook yourself or if it does it doesn't pop up so damn often feeling like it's more hook than bars.


Bars/hook/quantity

Bars weren't really hitting as far as a diss. You really need to hit where it hurts. even throw them super low blows when making diss tracks. And that requires either doing some dirt digging or knowing your targets well from the jump.

You've been gone for a minute so I'm pretty sure you don't know Punk from adam and from what I know you've had other shit pre occupying your mind to be doing that kind of homework on him.

I get that but that will and does make your diss tracks suffer, It makes you fall back on generic material like nameplays that I'm sure you're aware have been done a thousand times over. Like the AC's air conditioner line. Or Mani Fresh lines. Especially when you've been away from battling/this site for so long.

If you don't have personal dirt to flip, don't have time to dig for it and have not battled for a long time. This is the result.

You probably woulda been better off putting ya Punk beef to 1 side and made a regular track instead because even though you haven't been battling, at least you've still been making music.

It woulda been more in your "comfort zone"


Or

You probably shoulda stuck more to the drake angle and kept it focused all while clowning what little you know about him. You coulda come up with a ton of angles to poke holes in that side of his character

THE HOOK.

This leads onto quantity, because your verses were so short and abrupt it made a hook made for small doses lose it's charm and start to grate. I know the verses were longer but it felt like you spent as much time spitting ya hook as you did the verses because they were so short. Thats great for a regular track but diss tracks are all about the verses. So in a way the hook worked against you when you take into account you had so little room to get into your stride on your verses. They never picked up momentum.

Disses are supposed to leave the listener thinking oh shit this guys really putting him on blast. To do that the verse needs to get out of first gear and gradually reach 4 and 5th. yours never got out of first.

Also going after Jack was a bad idea. especially when you had such little room to breath with the verses.


^ I guess that covers quantity too.

Delivery

It was up and down. Now I don't know if that's a mixing thing or not because it's not your flow, it's your pronunciation. It could be part mixing and part writing or just all the latter because not structuring your bars correctly can force you to mispronounce the words or slur them. which is the main problem here.

It's like 80 or 90% of the delivery is fine. But then you'd get parts of that 10 20% where you slur or it was slightly off pace and it was always at the key parts. Like when you're trying to make a play on words or right at the end of the bar after a cleanly pronounced previous bar. It kills the impact because it's hard to make out exactly what it is your saying.

I'm pretty sure you're aware of this though tbh

Mixing

Again I'm not really bothered other than if it's maybe having an effect on how your delivery comes across. Which I've already mentioned. But other than that 20% and maybe having a negative effect on the hook the mixing was straight on the verses.



Drop Punks soon and my vote[

I Fucks wit this breakdown thank you this was the kind of detail I was looking for, to clear up a few things out of all the beats this the one I liked the most cuz its more of my style, however, the beat setup was weird af, its like hook, 16 bars, bridge 8 bars, hook, 16 bars...on my previous comment if u notice i had a concern about rather having a hook or not would get me scored down due to this issue, however i did my best with the options that were given to me, no other beat truly sounded diss track worthy, as u stated i dont really know anything about punk or superguy but it also wasnt a genuine beef if u understand where im coming from. I get along fine with superguy but threw a couple jabs at him and his crew out of friendly competition, the same thing for Punk, so i did the best i could with the little material i had...

its like battling a no namer(no offense) but u most rely on str8 punches and name flips cuz u dont have any personals, not to mention punk doesnt have any photos lol

but yea Rule make the next one a all diss track one, cuz it dont make sense for 3 crews to battle it out then the tracks that represent them be about random shit it should be about Illmania and why they crew is the best...which is what I attempted

Once again congrats @Punk

[Mani Mula]

[QUOTE=Just C;1034586]Mani.

Beat

Not a beat I woulda personally picked because the hook sections too intrusive for a diss track. it feels like it's popping up every 30 seconds, but for a diss track it had the potential to be something killer with the Final Countdown opening and hook sections, just a shame it kinda contracts itself because it comes into play so often like I said.

A beat like Supahypes only with more personality and oomph woulda been better. Like Phils dissing benson using the Jada beat. No hooks just raw bars. Or if it has a hook section it isn't so obvious it MAKES you feel like you have drop into a hook yourself or if it does it doesn't pop up so damn often feeling like it's more hook than bars.


Bars/hook/quantity

Bars weren't really hitting as far as a diss. You really need to hit where it hurts. even throw them super low blows when making diss tracks. And that requires either doing some dirt digging or knowing your targets well from the jump.

You've been gone for a minute so I'm pretty sure you don't know Punk from adam and from what I know you've had other shit pre occupying your mind to be doing that kind of homework on him.

I get that but that will and does make your diss tracks suffer, It makes you fall back on generic material like nameplays that I'm sure you're aware have been done a thousand times over. Like the AC's air conditioner line. Or Mani Fresh lines. Especially when you've been away from battling/this site for so long.

If you don't have personal dirt to flip, don't have time to dig for it and have not battled for a long time. This is the result.

You probably woulda been better off putting ya Punk beef to 1 side and made a regular track instead because even though you haven't been battling, at least you've still been making music.

It woulda been more in your "comfort zone"


Or

You probably shoulda stuck more to the drake angle and kept it focused all while clowning what little you know about him. You coulda come up with a ton of angles to poke holes in that side of his character

THE HOOK.

This leads onto quantity, because your verses were so short and abrupt it made a hook made for small doses lose it's charm and start to grate. I know the verses were longer but it felt like you spent as much time spitting ya hook as you did the verses because they were so short. Thats great for a regular track but diss tracks are all about the verses. So in a way the hook worked against you when you take into account you had so little room to get into your stride on your verses. They never picked up momentum.

Disses are supposed to leave the listener thinking oh shit this guys really putting him on blast. To do that the verse needs to get out of first gear and gradually reach 4 and 5th. yours never got out of first.

Also going after Jack was a bad idea. especially when you had such little room to breath with the verses.


^ I guess that covers quantity too.

Delivery

It was up and down. Now I don't know if that's a mixing thing or not because it's not your flow, it's your pronunciation. It could be part mixing and part writing or just all the latter because not structuring your bars correctly can force you to mispronounce the words or slur them. which is the main problem here.

It's like 80 or 90% of the delivery is fine. But then you'd get parts of that 10 20% where you slur or it was slightly off pace and it was always at the key parts. Like when you're trying to make a play on words or right at the end of the bar after a cleanly pronounced previous bar. It kills the impact because it's hard to make out exactly what it is your saying.

I'm pretty sure you're aware of this though tbh

Mixing

Again I'm not really bothered other than if it's maybe having an effect on how your delivery comes across. Which I've already mentioned. But other than that 20% and maybe having a negative effect on the hook the mixing was straight on the verses.



Drop Punks soon and my vote[

I Fucks wit this breakdown thank you this was the kind of detail I was looking for, to clear up a few things out of all the beats this the one I liked the most cuz its more of my style, however, the beat setup was weird af, its like hook, 16 bars, bridge 8 bars, hook, 16 bars...on my previous comment if u notice i had a concern about rather having a hook or not would get me scored down due to this issue, however i did my best with the options that were given to me, no other beat truly sounded diss track worthy, as u stated i dont really know anything about punk or superguy but it also wasnt a genuine beef if u understand where im coming from. I get along fine with superguy but threw a couple jabs at him and his crew out of friendly competition, the same thing for Punk, so i did the best i could with the little material i had...

its like battling a no namer(no offense) but u most rely on str8 punches and name flips cuz u dont have any personals, not to mention punk doesnt have any photos lol

but yea Rule make the next one a all diss track one, cuz it dont make sense for 3 crews to battle it out then the tracks that represent them be about random shit it should be about Illmania and why they crew is the best...which is what I attempted

Once again congrats @Punk

Rule said you can do what ever on the track so thats what people did so you guys don't need to fuss over that any more, I thought a topical would do either really good or really bad Fuck it tho! Next illmania when ever that is I will understand tracks more and take the win.

Rule said you can do what ever on the track so thats what people did so you guys don't need to fuss over that any more, I thought a topical would do either really good or really bad Fuck it tho! Next illmania when ever that is I will understand tracks more and take the win.

[FreezyCT]

a track battle isn't a diss track competition..if it were, the title of the competition would reflect that..also if it were a diss track competition, the participants would have been assigned someone to target, not a free-for-all..you take the 3 different songs and dissect them for what they are..mani dropped a typical 'lets beef' song, punk dropped a complete song..theres no comparison imo

[FreezyCT]

a track battle isn't a diss track competition..if it were, the title of the competition would reflect that..also if it were a diss track competition, the participants would have been assigned someone to target, not a free-for-all..you take the 3 different songs and dissect them for what they are..mani dropped a typical 'lets beef' song, punk dropped a complete song..theres no comparison imo

[Mani Mula]

Originally Posted by FreezyCT

a track battle isn't a diss track competition..if it were, the title of the competition would reflect that..also if it were a diss track competition, the participants would have been assigned someone to target, not a free-for-all..you take the 3 different songs and dissect them for what they are..mani dropped a typical 'lets beef' song, punk dropped a complete song..theres no comparison imo

Explain to me why a track "Battle" Shouldnt be a diss track Competition, What way have rappers always proved themselves to be better then others? Dissing right? Ok then so in a CREW "BATTLE" where the track makers are assigned to a 3-way Battle how is that not a "Target" you got 2 opposing crews and 2 main targets

The fucking site is called "Lets Beef" yet you act like my approach was wrong... yall like to praise Tracks that dont even throw a jab but your in a Crew Battle LMAO just admit that it was the safe route even tho im sure you all see he Punk OBVIOUSLY stated he was dropping a "Diss"

Guess that diss turned out to be "Thank the Lord"

---------- Post added at 05:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:30 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Punk

JUST WAIT ON IT!!

MIGOS!

But on the real, my diss tracks dropping soon folks XD

[Mani Mula]

Originally Posted by FreezyCT

a track battle isn't a diss track competition..if it were, the title of the competition would reflect that..also if it were a diss track competition, the participants would have been assigned someone to target, not a free-for-all..you take the 3 different songs and dissect them for what they are..mani dropped a typical 'lets beef' song, punk dropped a complete song..theres no comparison imo

Explain to me why a track "Battle" Shouldnt be a diss track Competition, What way have rappers always proved themselves to be better then others? Dissing right? Ok then so in a CREW "BATTLE" where the track makers are assigned to a 3-way Battle how is that not a "Target" you got 2 opposing crews and 2 main targets

The fucking site is called "Lets Beef" yet you act like my approach was wrong... yall like to praise Tracks that dont even throw a jab but your in a Crew Battle LMAO just admit that it was the safe route even tho im sure you all see he Punk OBVIOUSLY stated he was dropping a "Diss"

Guess that diss turned out to be "Thank the Lord"

---------- Post added at 05:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:30 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Punk

JUST WAIT ON IT!!

MIGOS!

But on the real, my diss tracks dropping soon folks XD