Should we make LB an 18+ website?

[Student]

Haven't read the thread, just OP but based on the current T.O.S. and Privacy Policy I think we're covered, as in why don't need to enforce it any further.

I'm not sure what the solution would be, to only having 18+, besides having every user enter their birth date but what's to stop people from lying?

As far as pornography, it's not "allowed" per the basis of it doesn't have anything to do with Battle Rap but if you see any just let me know and I'll delete the post, change someone's signature, etc.

[Student]

Haven't read the thread, just OP but based on the current T.O.S. and Privacy Policy I think we're covered, as in why don't need to enforce it any further.

I'm not sure what the solution would be, to only having 18+, besides having every user enter their birth date but what's to stop people from lying?

As far as pornography, it's not "allowed" per the basis of it doesn't have anything to do with Battle Rap but if you see any just let me know and I'll delete the post, change someone's signature, etc.

[Denton]

Pretty sure most of the community that joined this site was under 18 at the time.

[Denton]

Pretty sure most of the community that joined this site was under 18 at the time.

[Barzooka]

Originally Posted by Erk

Well I didn't know it allowed pictures. Just shatteredthat part of my arguement lmfao. And whats your solution? Requiring people to post their age? Or strictly bar people under the age of 18? The latter seems like itskinda over kill. Shit Ive been rapping sinceI was 14. If I knew about LB, Id have improved a hell of a lot faster.

I see your points, and I do agree. But my main point .. Is that members aside, this is a rap battle website. The worst your supposed to see is gun bars, threats and a shitload of swears. Every websiye ever is gonna have perverts and pedophiles. Trolls and and rage cases. No matter where you go. Its unavoidable.

Id say, 16+ tbh. Cuz at 16, your at least mature enough to not shoot your load all over your pants by seeing tits. And maybe some user agreement? Or like.. Have Mods/Admins reach out to the young ones about, people like 2 Gucci, as it is so bluntly put.

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Explained it horribly. Hopefully got my point across lmfao

And why, oh why, would the minors have to be alerted to me, my friend?

[Barzooka]

Originally Posted by Erk

Well I didn't know it allowed pictures. Just shatteredthat part of my arguement lmfao. And whats your solution? Requiring people to post their age? Or strictly bar people under the age of 18? The latter seems like itskinda over kill. Shit Ive been rapping sinceI was 14. If I knew about LB, Id have improved a hell of a lot faster.

I see your points, and I do agree. But my main point .. Is that members aside, this is a rap battle website. The worst your supposed to see is gun bars, threats and a shitload of swears. Every websiye ever is gonna have perverts and pedophiles. Trolls and and rage cases. No matter where you go. Its unavoidable.

Id say, 16+ tbh. Cuz at 16, your at least mature enough to not shoot your load all over your pants by seeing tits. And maybe some user agreement? Or like.. Have Mods/Admins reach out to the young ones about, people like 2 Gucci, as it is so bluntly put.

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Explained it horribly. Hopefully got my point across lmfao

And why, oh why, would the minors have to be alerted to me, my friend?

[HVK]

ONE OF THA EARLY TEXT TOURNAMENTS WHERE 'REAL TALK' WON THA TITLE, HE BEAT A DUDE CALLED 'MJ' IN A BEST OF 3 FINAL AN MJ WOZ 12 YEARS OLD, ALSO THA FIRST EVER LB GRANDCHAMPION WOZ 13 YEARS OLD NOT SURE WHAT HE CALLS HIMSELF NOWADAYS BUT BACK THEN ONE OF HIS NAMES WOZ ''RAINY DAYZ''........ MY POINT BEING THAT UNDER 18's HELPED GROW THIS SITE.

TBH BACK IN DAYS WHEN THIS SITE WAS ACTIVE I'D SAY THA MAJORITY WERE UNDER20 WITH MOST BEING UNDER 18....... MY POINT IS IF YA WANT THIS SITE TO GROW AGAIN THEN YA GOTTA LET THA KIDS ACCESS THA SITE, ALL WE NEED IS AN 8-MILE 2 AN SHIT WILL TAKE OFF AGAIN LOL......

@Rant THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION THO, BUT TBH MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS SITE IN TERMS OF PORN, CURSE WORDS AN SHIT IS NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU WOULD FIND ON ANY OTHER BATTLE WEBSITE PAST AND PRESENT, THEY WOULD ALSO SEE AN HEAR WORST THINGS AT SCHOOL......

AS A PARENT THO I WOULDNT LET MY 12 YEAR OLD ON HERE, BUT LIKE A FEW PPL HAVE MENTIONED EVEN IF THIS WAS AN 18+ ONLY SITE IT STILL WOULDNT STOP PPL SIGNIN UP. ALSO, AS SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED EARLIER, IF PPL DONT LIKE CONTENT FROM A CERTAIN PERSON THEN USE THA BLOCK FEATURE.

LMAO @KG

[HVK]

ONE OF THA EARLY TEXT TOURNAMENTS WHERE 'REAL TALK' WON THA TITLE, HE BEAT A DUDE CALLED 'MJ' IN A BEST OF 3 FINAL AN MJ WOZ 12 YEARS OLD, ALSO THA FIRST EVER LB GRANDCHAMPION WOZ 13 YEARS OLD NOT SURE WHAT HE CALLS HIMSELF NOWADAYS BUT BACK THEN ONE OF HIS NAMES WOZ ''RAINY DAYZ''........ MY POINT BEING THAT UNDER 18's HELPED GROW THIS SITE.

TBH BACK IN DAYS WHEN THIS SITE WAS ACTIVE I'D SAY THA MAJORITY WERE UNDER20 WITH MOST BEING UNDER 18....... MY POINT IS IF YA WANT THIS SITE TO GROW AGAIN THEN YA GOTTA LET THA KIDS ACCESS THA SITE, ALL WE NEED IS AN 8-MILE 2 AN SHIT WILL TAKE OFF AGAIN LOL......

@Rant THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION THO, BUT TBH MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS SITE IN TERMS OF PORN, CURSE WORDS AN SHIT IS NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU WOULD FIND ON ANY OTHER BATTLE WEBSITE PAST AND PRESENT, THEY WOULD ALSO SEE AN HEAR WORST THINGS AT SCHOOL......

AS A PARENT THO I WOULDNT LET MY 12 YEAR OLD ON HERE, BUT LIKE A FEW PPL HAVE MENTIONED EVEN IF THIS WAS AN 18+ ONLY SITE IT STILL WOULDNT STOP PPL SIGNIN UP. ALSO, AS SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED EARLIER, IF PPL DONT LIKE CONTENT FROM A CERTAIN PERSON THEN USE THA BLOCK FEATURE.

LMAO @KG

Originally Posted by HVK

ONE OF THA EARLY TEXT TOURNAMENTS WHERE 'REAL TALK' WON THA TITLE, HE BEAT A DUDE CALLED 'MJ' IN A BEST OF 3 FINAL AN MJ WOZ 12 YEARS OLD, ALSO THA FIRST EVER LB GRANDCHAMPION WOZ 13 YEARS OLD NOT SURE WHAT HE CALLS HIMSELF NOWADAYS BUT BACK THEN ONE OF HIS NAMES WOZ ''RAINY DAYZ''........ MY POINT BEING THAT UNDER 18's HELPED GROW THIS SITE.

TBH BACK IN DAYS WHEN THIS SITE WAS ACTIVE I'D SAY THA MAJORITY WERE UNDER20 WITH MOST BEING UNDER 18....... MY POINT IS IF YA WANT THIS SITE TO GROW AGAIN THEN YA GOTTA LET THA KIDS ACCESS THA SITE, ALL WE NEED IS AN 8-MILE 2 AN SHIT WILL TAKE OFF AGAIN LOL......

@Rant THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION THO, BUT TBH MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS SITE IN TERMS OF PORN, CURSE WORDS AN SHIT IS NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU WOULD FIND ON ANY OTHER BATTLE WEBSITE PAST AND PRESENT, THEY WOULD ALSO SEE AN HEAR WORST THINGS AT SCHOOL......

AS A PARENT THO I WOULDNT LET MY 12 YEAR OLD ON HERE, BUT LIKE A FEW PPL HAVE MENTIONED EVEN IF THIS WAS AN 18+ ONLY SITE IT STILL WOULDNT STOP PPL SIGNIN UP. ALSO, AS SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED EARLIER, IF PPL DONT LIKE CONTENT FROM A CERTAIN PERSON THEN USE THA BLOCK FEATURE.

LMAO @KG

No offense, man. But, if you could read the thread, and address all the points, that'd be fantastic. I'm not looking for cherrypicked responses, and there has been a lot said that you seem to be overlooking based on your response. Particularly in regard to data privacy, and the legalities associated with obscene material.

I say this primarily because a lot of what you're addressing solely from the first couple of pages has been expounded upon, and the conversation has shifted from those points to others in regard to the same issue(those previously mentioned).

Originally Posted by HVK

ONE OF THA EARLY TEXT TOURNAMENTS WHERE 'REAL TALK' WON THA TITLE, HE BEAT A DUDE CALLED 'MJ' IN A BEST OF 3 FINAL AN MJ WOZ 12 YEARS OLD, ALSO THA FIRST EVER LB GRANDCHAMPION WOZ 13 YEARS OLD NOT SURE WHAT HE CALLS HIMSELF NOWADAYS BUT BACK THEN ONE OF HIS NAMES WOZ ''RAINY DAYZ''........ MY POINT BEING THAT UNDER 18's HELPED GROW THIS SITE.

TBH BACK IN DAYS WHEN THIS SITE WAS ACTIVE I'D SAY THA MAJORITY WERE UNDER20 WITH MOST BEING UNDER 18....... MY POINT IS IF YA WANT THIS SITE TO GROW AGAIN THEN YA GOTTA LET THA KIDS ACCESS THA SITE, ALL WE NEED IS AN 8-MILE 2 AN SHIT WILL TAKE OFF AGAIN LOL......

@Rant THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION THO, BUT TBH MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS SITE IN TERMS OF PORN, CURSE WORDS AN SHIT IS NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU WOULD FIND ON ANY OTHER BATTLE WEBSITE PAST AND PRESENT, THEY WOULD ALSO SEE AN HEAR WORST THINGS AT SCHOOL......

AS A PARENT THO I WOULDNT LET MY 12 YEAR OLD ON HERE, BUT LIKE A FEW PPL HAVE MENTIONED EVEN IF THIS WAS AN 18+ ONLY SITE IT STILL WOULDNT STOP PPL SIGNIN UP. ALSO, AS SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED EARLIER, IF PPL DONT LIKE CONTENT FROM A CERTAIN PERSON THEN USE THA BLOCK FEATURE.

LMAO @KG

No offense, man. But, if you could read the thread, and address all the points, that'd be fantastic. I'm not looking for cherrypicked responses, and there has been a lot said that you seem to be overlooking based on your response. Particularly in regard to data privacy, and the legalities associated with obscene material.

I say this primarily because a lot of what you're addressing solely from the first couple of pages has been expounded upon, and the conversation has shifted from those points to others in regard to the same issue(those previously mentioned).

Good read so far.
Interesting to see Ginge break character.
Carry on.

Good read so far.
Interesting to see Ginge break character.
Carry on.

[HVK]

Originally Posted by Rant

No offense, man. But, if you could read the thread, and address all the points, that'd be fantastic. I'm not looking for cherrypicked responses, and there has been a lot said that you seem to be overlooking based on your response. Particularly in regard to data privacy, and the legalities associated with obscene material.

TBH WITH YOU, I DONT KNOW ALOT ABOUT DATA PRIVACY AND LEGALITIES REGARDING OBSCENE MATERIAL SO I DIDNT WANNA JUS CHAT SHIT LOL...... SO I JUST STATED SOME FACTS FROM THA MSN DAYS FROM A TIME WHEN YOUNGER MEMBERS DOMINATED THA SITE IN TERMS OF ACTIVITY...

LETSBEEF HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 13 YEARS AND THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE OF THAT NATURE, BUT, YOU ARE RIGHT WITH THA POINT OF PROTECTING OUR ADULT MEMBERS AS MUCH AS OUR YOUNGER ONES ESPECIALLY WIT THA WAY THA WORLD IS TODAY....... BUT TBH THAT WOULD BE DOWN TO X, LIKE I SAID I DONT KNOW THA INs AN OUTs OF INTERNET LAWS SO DONT GET YA PANTIES IN A TWIST LOL

[HVK]

Originally Posted by Rant

No offense, man. But, if you could read the thread, and address all the points, that'd be fantastic. I'm not looking for cherrypicked responses, and there has been a lot said that you seem to be overlooking based on your response. Particularly in regard to data privacy, and the legalities associated with obscene material.

TBH WITH YOU, I DONT KNOW ALOT ABOUT DATA PRIVACY AND LEGALITIES REGARDING OBSCENE MATERIAL SO I DIDNT WANNA JUS CHAT SHIT LOL...... SO I JUST STATED SOME FACTS FROM THA MSN DAYS FROM A TIME WHEN YOUNGER MEMBERS DOMINATED THA SITE IN TERMS OF ACTIVITY...

LETSBEEF HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 13 YEARS AND THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE OF THAT NATURE, BUT, YOU ARE RIGHT WITH THA POINT OF PROTECTING OUR ADULT MEMBERS AS MUCH AS OUR YOUNGER ONES ESPECIALLY WIT THA WAY THA WORLD IS TODAY....... BUT TBH THAT WOULD BE DOWN TO X, LIKE I SAID I DONT KNOW THA INs AN OUTs OF INTERNET LAWS SO DONT GET YA PANTIES IN A TWIST LOL

Originally Posted by HVK

TBH WITH YOU, I DONT KNOW ALOT ABOUT DATA PRIVACY AND LEGALITIES REGARDING OBSCENE MATERIAL SO I DIDNT WANNA JUS CHAT SHIT LOL...... SO I JUST STATED SOME FACTS FROM THA MSN DAYS FROM A TIME WHEN YOUNGER MEMBERS DOMINATED THA SITE IN TERMS OF ACTIVITY...

LETSBEEF HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 13 YEARS AND THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE OF THAT NATURE, BUT, YOU ARE RIGHT WITH THA POINT OF PROTECTING OUR ADULT MEMBERS AS MUCH AS OUR YOUNGER ONES ESPECIALLY WIT THA WAY THA WORLD IS TODAY....... BUT TBH THAT WOULD BE DOWN TO X, LIKE I SAID I DONT KNOW THA INs AN OUTs OF INTERNET LAWS SO DONT GET YA PANTIES IN A TWIST LOL

13 years was a long time ago. Internet privacy laws have drastically changed from back then. And even back then, I don't necessarily believe it was a positive thing to have a userbase consisting of primarily children. I feel like relying on the past basis isn't always the best approach. The U.S. used to segregate blacks from whites, for example. And at the time, it was viewed as totally acceptable. But, was it appropriate? Absolutely not. I realize that this example is a lot more extreme than it is in regard to LB. But, the point remains the same, the past doesn't always denote the best solution. And that just because that's how it was back then, doesn't mean that that's how it should have been at the time, or should be in the future.

Originally Posted by HVK

TBH WITH YOU, I DONT KNOW ALOT ABOUT DATA PRIVACY AND LEGALITIES REGARDING OBSCENE MATERIAL SO I DIDNT WANNA JUS CHAT SHIT LOL...... SO I JUST STATED SOME FACTS FROM THA MSN DAYS FROM A TIME WHEN YOUNGER MEMBERS DOMINATED THA SITE IN TERMS OF ACTIVITY...

LETSBEEF HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 13 YEARS AND THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE OF THAT NATURE, BUT, YOU ARE RIGHT WITH THA POINT OF PROTECTING OUR ADULT MEMBERS AS MUCH AS OUR YOUNGER ONES ESPECIALLY WIT THA WAY THA WORLD IS TODAY....... BUT TBH THAT WOULD BE DOWN TO X, LIKE I SAID I DONT KNOW THA INs AN OUTs OF INTERNET LAWS SO DONT GET YA PANTIES IN A TWIST LOL

13 years was a long time ago. Internet privacy laws have drastically changed from back then. And even back then, I don't necessarily believe it was a positive thing to have a userbase consisting of primarily children. I feel like relying on the past basis isn't always the best approach. The U.S. used to segregate blacks from whites, for example. And at the time, it was viewed as totally acceptable. But, was it appropriate? Absolutely not. I realize that this example is a lot more extreme than it is in regard to LB. But, the point remains the same, the past doesn't always denote the best solution. And that just because that's how it was back then, doesn't mean that that's how it should have been at the time, or should be in the future.

[HVK]

Originally Posted by Rant

13 years was a long time ago. Internet privacy laws have drastically changed from back then. And even back then, I don't necessarily believe it was a positive thing to have a userbase consisting of primarily children. I feel like relying on the past basis isn't always the best approach. The U.S. used to segregate blacks from whites, for example. And at the time, it was viewed as totally acceptable. But, was it appropriate? Absolutely not. I realize that this example is a lot more extreme than it is in regard to LB. But, the point remains the same, the past doesn't always denote the best solution. And that just because that's how it was back then, doesn't mean that that's how it should have been at the time, or in the future.

YEAH ALOT HAS CHANGED IN 13 YEARS I GET THAT DUDE, BUT I SERIOUSLY DONT THINK THIS SITE WILL GET ANYMORE ACTIVE THAN IT CURRENTLY IS IF WE MAKE THIS SITE 18+

IN TERMS OF SITE ACTIVITY, ITS MUCH MORE LIKELY WE WOULD GET A MAJOR INJECTION OF NEW MEMBERS FROM YOUNGER PPL RATHER THAN OLDER PPL, AN THATS SOLELY BASED ON THA FACT YOUNGER PPL HAVE MORE FREE TIME AN SPEND MORE TIME ONLINE THAN ANY OTHER GENERATION.... IM NOT TALKIN JUST UNDER 18's HERE, IM CLASSIN A YOUNGER MEMBER AS UNDER 25..... SO IF LB BECAME AN 18+ WEBSITE THEN THAT COULD STOP A POTENTIAL FUTURE INJECTION OF MEMBERS, WHICH COULD ALSO LEAD TO THA END OF LETSBEEF.COM DUE TO THA SITE BECOMIN A COMPLETE GRAVEYARD .............

I THINK LB SHOULD BECOME A 13+ WEBSITE IF ANYTHING, THATS MY OPINION.

[HVK]

Originally Posted by Rant

13 years was a long time ago. Internet privacy laws have drastically changed from back then. And even back then, I don't necessarily believe it was a positive thing to have a userbase consisting of primarily children. I feel like relying on the past basis isn't always the best approach. The U.S. used to segregate blacks from whites, for example. And at the time, it was viewed as totally acceptable. But, was it appropriate? Absolutely not. I realize that this example is a lot more extreme than it is in regard to LB. But, the point remains the same, the past doesn't always denote the best solution. And that just because that's how it was back then, doesn't mean that that's how it should have been at the time, or in the future.

YEAH ALOT HAS CHANGED IN 13 YEARS I GET THAT DUDE, BUT I SERIOUSLY DONT THINK THIS SITE WILL GET ANYMORE ACTIVE THAN IT CURRENTLY IS IF WE MAKE THIS SITE 18+

IN TERMS OF SITE ACTIVITY, ITS MUCH MORE LIKELY WE WOULD GET A MAJOR INJECTION OF NEW MEMBERS FROM YOUNGER PPL RATHER THAN OLDER PPL, AN THATS SOLELY BASED ON THA FACT YOUNGER PPL HAVE MORE FREE TIME AN SPEND MORE TIME ONLINE THAN ANY OTHER GENERATION.... IM NOT TALKIN JUST UNDER 18's HERE, IM CLASSIN A YOUNGER MEMBER AS UNDER 25..... SO IF LB BECAME AN 18+ WEBSITE THEN THAT COULD STOP A POTENTIAL FUTURE INJECTION OF MEMBERS, WHICH COULD ALSO LEAD TO THA END OF LETSBEEF.COM DUE TO THA SITE BECOMIN A COMPLETE GRAVEYARD .............

I THINK LB SHOULD BECOME A 13+ WEBSITE IF ANYTHING, THATS MY OPINION.

Originally Posted by HVK

YEAH ALOT HAS CHANGED IN 13 YEARS I GET THAT DUDE, BUT I SERIOUSLY DONT THINK THIS SITE WILL GET ANYMORE ACTIVE THAN IT CURRENTLY IS IF WE MAKE THIS SITE 18+

IN TERMS OF SITE ACTIVITY, ITS MUCH MORE LIKELY WE WOULD GET A MAJOR INJECTION OF NEW MEMBERS FROM YOUNGER PPL RATHER THAN OLDER PPL, AN THATS SOLELY BASED ON THA FACT YOUNGER PPL HAVE MORE FREE TIME AN SPEND MORE TIME ONLINE THAN ANY OTHER GENERATION.... IM NOT TALKIN JUST UNDER 18's HERE, IM CLASSIN A YOUNGER MEMBER AS UNDER 25..... SO IF LB BECAME AN 18+ WEBSITE THEN THAT COULD STOP A POTENTIAL FUTURE INJECTION OF MEMBERS, WHICH COULD ALSO LEAD TO THA END OF LETSBEEF.COM DUE TO THA SITE BECOMIN A COMPLETE GRAVEYARD .............

I THINK LB SHOULD BECOME A 13+ WEBSITE IF ANYTHING, THATS MY OPINION.

Regardless of the age in question, 18, 13, 25, etc, I think the underlying issue is primarily the lack of age VERIFICATION. Restrictions totally aside. As I've previously expressed, without a verification system of some sort, there's no deterrent for the data collection from minors. Which is something that the privacy policy explicitly states the site doesn't do. In order to maintain that standing, it's important that there's some determinant of the age of the members, at least to administration. Even if that verification isn't publicly available information.


Edit: I, personally, still think the site should be 18+. But, my personal opinion aside, the previous remarks do still denote a pretty gaping hole in the site's policy. Even if I were to concede from my own standing.

Originally Posted by HVK

YEAH ALOT HAS CHANGED IN 13 YEARS I GET THAT DUDE, BUT I SERIOUSLY DONT THINK THIS SITE WILL GET ANYMORE ACTIVE THAN IT CURRENTLY IS IF WE MAKE THIS SITE 18+

IN TERMS OF SITE ACTIVITY, ITS MUCH MORE LIKELY WE WOULD GET A MAJOR INJECTION OF NEW MEMBERS FROM YOUNGER PPL RATHER THAN OLDER PPL, AN THATS SOLELY BASED ON THA FACT YOUNGER PPL HAVE MORE FREE TIME AN SPEND MORE TIME ONLINE THAN ANY OTHER GENERATION.... IM NOT TALKIN JUST UNDER 18's HERE, IM CLASSIN A YOUNGER MEMBER AS UNDER 25..... SO IF LB BECAME AN 18+ WEBSITE THEN THAT COULD STOP A POTENTIAL FUTURE INJECTION OF MEMBERS, WHICH COULD ALSO LEAD TO THA END OF LETSBEEF.COM DUE TO THA SITE BECOMIN A COMPLETE GRAVEYARD .............

I THINK LB SHOULD BECOME A 13+ WEBSITE IF ANYTHING, THATS MY OPINION.

Regardless of the age in question, 18, 13, 25, etc, I think the underlying issue is primarily the lack of age VERIFICATION. Restrictions totally aside. As I've previously expressed, without a verification system of some sort, there's no deterrent for the data collection from minors. Which is something that the privacy policy explicitly states the site doesn't do. In order to maintain that standing, it's important that there's some determinant of the age of the members, at least to administration. Even if that verification isn't publicly available information.


Edit: I, personally, still think the site should be 18+. But, my personal opinion aside, the previous remarks do still denote a pretty gaping hole in the site's policy. Even if I were to concede from my own standing.