How much to buy Letsbeef

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by NOBLE

The site was coded by X, Pseudo Him and V. Pseudo Nim coded most of the back end stuff and was the main developer.

Who is V? I don't believe I've ever heard of him.

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by NOBLE

The site was coded by X, Pseudo Him and V. Pseudo Nim coded most of the back end stuff and was the main developer.

Who is V? I don't believe I've ever heard of him.

[NOBLE]

https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/member.php?u=20
V is a former admin and is the guy whose voice you hear in this video:
https://www.letsbeef.com/video/lb-final.html
When LB started, X's role was more of the front-end developer/graphic design guy, Pseudo Nim's role was more of the back-end developer guy, and V was more of the business man and took care of the business/legal aspect of things.
To my knowledge, he was never really involved as a day to day site admin type of person. He left and sold his share of the site a long time ago (around 2010?) to X and Pseudo Nim, but still continued to work with X on other sites and business ventures, including Rocbattle.
I've met both X and Pseudo Nim in person (separately) but I never met V.

[NOBLE]

https://www.letsbeef.com/forums/member.php?u=20
V is a former admin and is the guy whose voice you hear in this video:
https://www.letsbeef.com/video/lb-final.html
When LB started, X's role was more of the front-end developer/graphic design guy, Pseudo Nim's role was more of the back-end developer guy, and V was more of the business man and took care of the business/legal aspect of things.
To my knowledge, he was never really involved as a day to day site admin type of person. He left and sold his share of the site a long time ago (around 2010?) to X and Pseudo Nim, but still continued to work with X on other sites and business ventures, including Rocbattle.
I've met both X and Pseudo Nim in person (separately) but I never met V.

Originally Posted by Mindless

I think you're vastly underestimating the complexity of building something like this. Especially with consideration to the fact that everything is built as a hack to work off of the forum system. There's a LOT of fuckery happening in the backend. I will say that starting from scratch probably WOULD be easier than going in and fucking around with someone else's code. Especially since I'm willing to bet the code for this site is spaghetti as fuck after all the shit it's been through as far as development goes.

I'm talking about the main part of the site being the battle system. Im not entirely sure if the player is hand coded or if it's a plugin so I'll amend and remove anything to do with audio.

But as for the battle system itself? Very easy. There's quite a lot of little bits to it for sure, but it's a lot of small little easy sections which add up pretty effortlessly. There was some solid innovation in the design to begin with but we're well beyond the time where it deserves credit.

The hacks are mostly just downloads. How many of LBs vbulli hacks are handwritten and specific to only this site?

It's not a complex idea. Because it offers no integration with apps or external sources, nothing is hard. To actually bring LB forward I wouldn't be anywhere near the level required, because just making the relevant aspects responsive yet consistent with the desktop site, I can't break that up logically right now. But where Lb currently sits? Not hard.

Originally Posted by Mindless

I think you're vastly underestimating the complexity of building something like this. Especially with consideration to the fact that everything is built as a hack to work off of the forum system. There's a LOT of fuckery happening in the backend. I will say that starting from scratch probably WOULD be easier than going in and fucking around with someone else's code. Especially since I'm willing to bet the code for this site is spaghetti as fuck after all the shit it's been through as far as development goes.

I'm talking about the main part of the site being the battle system. Im not entirely sure if the player is hand coded or if it's a plugin so I'll amend and remove anything to do with audio.

But as for the battle system itself? Very easy. There's quite a lot of little bits to it for sure, but it's a lot of small little easy sections which add up pretty effortlessly. There was some solid innovation in the design to begin with but we're well beyond the time where it deserves credit.

The hacks are mostly just downloads. How many of LBs vbulli hacks are handwritten and specific to only this site?

It's not a complex idea. Because it offers no integration with apps or external sources, nothing is hard. To actually bring LB forward I wouldn't be anywhere near the level required, because just making the relevant aspects responsive yet consistent with the desktop site, I can't break that up logically right now. But where Lb currently sits? Not hard.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Knot Guilty

Soooooo there won't ever be a Fully Mobile LB huh?

No. It would probably require an entire rewrite of the front end. A fully mobile Letsbeef would be a long term undertaking.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by Knot Guilty

Soooooo there won't ever be a Fully Mobile LB huh?

No. It would probably require an entire rewrite of the front end. A fully mobile Letsbeef would be a long term undertaking.

[NOBLE]

That's not true. There will be a mobile site, probably at some point in 2018. It is already under development, and everyone currently on staff has seen it and knows what I'm talking about.

Before I went to jail, I had almost completed a mobile site based on the Zurb Foundation framework. X decided to start all over from scratch using Bootstrap because it is more cohesive with the later versions of vbulletin which we plan on upgrading to because those are also built on Bootstrap.
I know from personal experience that rewriting the front end is not hard at all. The hard part will be coding some of the new features we plan to have. Also, if and when we upgrade vbulletin, we are likely to lose a lot of features we currently enjoy because they come from mods and plug-ins for which there are no equivalent in the latter versions.

[NOBLE]

That's not true. There will be a mobile site, probably at some point in 2018. It is already under development, and everyone currently on staff has seen it and knows what I'm talking about.

Before I went to jail, I had almost completed a mobile site based on the Zurb Foundation framework. X decided to start all over from scratch using Bootstrap because it is more cohesive with the later versions of vbulletin which we plan on upgrading to because those are also built on Bootstrap.
I know from personal experience that rewriting the front end is not hard at all. The hard part will be coding some of the new features we plan to have. Also, if and when we upgrade vbulletin, we are likely to lose a lot of features we currently enjoy because they come from mods and plug-ins for which there are no equivalent in the latter versions.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by NOBLE

That's not true. There will be a mobile site, probably at some point in 2018. It is already under development, and everyone currently on staff has seen it and knows what I'm talking about.

Before I went to jail, I had almost completed a mobile site based on the Zurb Foundation framework. X decided to start all over from scratch using Bootstrap because it is more cohesive with the later versions of vbulletin which we plan on upgrading to because those are also built on Bootstrap.
I know from personal experience that rewriting the front end is not hard at all. The hard part will be coding some of the new features we plan to have. Also, if and when we upgrade vbulletin, we are likely to lose a lot of features we currently enjoy because they come from mods and plug-ins for which there are no equivalent in the latter versions.

I mean, I guess you can just set size limitations in the HTML and create a responsive site like that, but that's a pretty crappy way to build. PHP is a pretty old language and doesn't really have any of the advantages that a modern framework would have.

I'm not a PHP guy since it's an older paradigm that I don't really see a need for in the modern day, but here's what I see wrong with doing it that way....

Lack of newer plugins and packages due to PHP being outdated.

A responsive PHP/HTML would struggle a lot with speed because of too many calls to the api due to the lack of a proper state container.

Lack of mobile browser caching beyond what HTML provides that I'm aware of.

Lack of a single page design that would limit calls to the server.

Speed is the name of the game in mobile, and PHP sacrifices a lot of the advantages that most pages get in the modern era.

I have spent a lot of time working on front end architecture, and I really think that building a site of this size in PHP is a really bad idea. For a real mobile site, to me you would rewrite most of the front-end.

There are some sites out there that PHP is still useful for. Letsbeef is probably not one of them, I think it's too large and complex for a really good PHP mobile app. Other frameworks were designed largely to help deal with complexity on the frontend.

A LB mobile site today would better than what we have now, but I strongly suspect would struggle with performance. Ideally the site would be re-written for mobile, but that's a lot of work and I guess I get why that won't happen.

[Louie Dawgs]

Originally Posted by NOBLE

That's not true. There will be a mobile site, probably at some point in 2018. It is already under development, and everyone currently on staff has seen it and knows what I'm talking about.

Before I went to jail, I had almost completed a mobile site based on the Zurb Foundation framework. X decided to start all over from scratch using Bootstrap because it is more cohesive with the later versions of vbulletin which we plan on upgrading to because those are also built on Bootstrap.
I know from personal experience that rewriting the front end is not hard at all. The hard part will be coding some of the new features we plan to have. Also, if and when we upgrade vbulletin, we are likely to lose a lot of features we currently enjoy because they come from mods and plug-ins for which there are no equivalent in the latter versions.

I mean, I guess you can just set size limitations in the HTML and create a responsive site like that, but that's a pretty crappy way to build. PHP is a pretty old language and doesn't really have any of the advantages that a modern framework would have.

I'm not a PHP guy since it's an older paradigm that I don't really see a need for in the modern day, but here's what I see wrong with doing it that way....

Lack of newer plugins and packages due to PHP being outdated.

A responsive PHP/HTML would struggle a lot with speed because of too many calls to the api due to the lack of a proper state container.

Lack of mobile browser caching beyond what HTML provides that I'm aware of.

Lack of a single page design that would limit calls to the server.

Speed is the name of the game in mobile, and PHP sacrifices a lot of the advantages that most pages get in the modern era.

I have spent a lot of time working on front end architecture, and I really think that building a site of this size in PHP is a really bad idea. For a real mobile site, to me you would rewrite most of the front-end.

There are some sites out there that PHP is still useful for. Letsbeef is probably not one of them, I think it's too large and complex for a really good PHP mobile app. Other frameworks were designed largely to help deal with complexity on the frontend.

A LB mobile site today would better than what we have now, but I strongly suspect would struggle with performance. Ideally the site would be re-written for mobile, but that's a lot of work and I guess I get why that won't happen.

Louie, NOBLE has basically been defending Pugz, X, basically anyone in charge since day one. I mean he used to bitch so much at me bitching about v4....now we're sitting here on v3 4 years later. The "wait and see" "it's happening" bollocks means fucking nothing.

Louie, NOBLE has basically been defending Pugz, X, basically anyone in charge since day one. I mean he used to bitch so much at me bitching about v4....now we're sitting here on v3 4 years later. The "wait and see" "it's happening" bollocks means fucking nothing.

[NOBLE]

Where in this thread have I defended anyone or said "wait and see?"

[NOBLE]

Where in this thread have I defended anyone or said "wait and see?"

Its not true that there won't be a mobile site. It'll probably be out in 2018.


In other words...wait and see.

Its not true that there won't be a mobile site. It'll probably be out in 2018.


In other words...wait and see.

[NOBLE]

I'm not telling you to wait though. I'm just giving my own guess as to when we may see a mobile LB, and the statement wasn't made to defend anyone. You don't have to wait if you don't want to.

[NOBLE]

I'm not telling you to wait though. I'm just giving my own guess as to when we may see a mobile LB, and the statement wasn't made to defend anyone. You don't have to wait if you don't want to.