Rant's consciousness hypotheses.

[Shodan]

Rant asked me to post a thread about this in General Talk for discussion purposes, so here it is.

[Shodan]

Rant asked me to post a thread about this in General Talk for discussion purposes, so here it is.

[ILLoKWENT]

Wt efff?

[ILLoKWENT]

Wt efff?

All dimensional planes are fundamentally hinged on their preceding dimensionality. You cannot have width without length, depth without width, time without depth.(In this context, time would be meaningless without the expansion of that which has depth.)

The measurement of time is necessitated by our conscious observation of such, as without our perception of such, we would not have conceptualized the notion of time.

There is an inherently progressive trend in conscious evolution measurable along the forward directionality of time.

Time is considered to be a dimensional plane because of its inherent directional measurability.

Therefore, if the measurement of time is foundationally fixed upon our awareness of such, and there is a measurable trend along this directional state, of consciousness, there must then, inherently be an expansion of the conscious state parallel to time, and subsequently space. Thus, making consciousness a dimensional plane in its own right, extenuating beyond time.

All dimensional planes are fundamentally hinged on their preceding dimensionality. You cannot have width without length, depth without width, time without depth.(In this context, time would be meaningless without the expansion of that which has depth.)

The measurement of time is necessitated by our conscious observation of such, as without our perception of such, we would not have conceptualized the notion of time.

There is an inherently progressive trend in conscious evolution measurable along the forward directionality of time.

Time is considered to be a dimensional plane because of its inherent directional measurability.

Therefore, if the measurement of time is foundationally fixed upon our awareness of such, and there is a measurable trend along this directional state, of consciousness, there must then, inherently be an expansion of the conscious state parallel to time, and subsequently space. Thus, making consciousness a dimensional plane in its own right, extenuating beyond time.

[NOBLE]

I'm familiar with Rant's theory about consciousness being a field. He's not the only one who thinks that. There's an English biologist named Rupert Sheldrake who basically says the same thing, although he's largely shunned by the scientific community and considered a hack for those theories. It has its merits in the sense that it seems to explain the so-called observer effect in quantum mechanics where particles behave like probabilistic waves until a "conscious" observer is present. Until such a field is discovered and there's tangible empirical evidence to back it up, my view towards it is of suspended judgement.

[NOBLE]

I'm familiar with Rant's theory about consciousness being a field. He's not the only one who thinks that. There's an English biologist named Rupert Sheldrake who basically says the same thing, although he's largely shunned by the scientific community and considered a hack for those theories. It has its merits in the sense that it seems to explain the so-called observer effect in quantum mechanics where particles behave like probabilistic waves until a "conscious" observer is present. Until such a field is discovered and there's tangible empirical evidence to back it up, my view towards it is of suspended judgement.

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by NOBLE

It has its merits in the sense that it seems to explain the so-called observer effect in quantum mechanics where particles behave like probabilistic waves until a "conscious" observer is present.

I'm not a physics-inclined type, but I'm fairly sure that the "observer effect" still occurs when measurements by non-conscious "observers" (equipment) take place. If reality was otherwise, that would mean that people influence reality; the largest result in any science, ever.

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by NOBLE

It has its merits in the sense that it seems to explain the so-called observer effect in quantum mechanics where particles behave like probabilistic waves until a "conscious" observer is present.

I'm not a physics-inclined type, but I'm fairly sure that the "observer effect" still occurs when measurements by non-conscious "observers" (equipment) take place. If reality was otherwise, that would mean that people influence reality; the largest result in any science, ever.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Rant

All dimensional planes are fundamentally hinged on their preceding dimensionality. You cannot have width without length, depth without width, time without depth.(In this context, time would be meaningless without the expansion of that which has depth.)

The measurement of time is necessitated by our conscious observation of such, as without our perception of such, we would not have conceptualized the notion of time.

There is an inherently progressive trend in conscious evolution measurable along the forward directionality of time.

Time is considered to be a dimensional plane because of its inherent directional measurability.

Therefore, if the measurement of time is foundationally fixed upon our awareness of such, and there is a measurable trend along this directional state, of consciousness, there must then, inherently be an expansion of the conscious state parallel to time, and subsequently space. Thus, making consciousness a dimensional plane in its own right, extenuating beyond time.

I agree with you that all dimensions are premised on the existence of previous dimensions. But I don't agree that it is our perception of depth which gives rise to our notion of time. It is more like motion which does that...motion through 3-dimensional space. It takes time to get from any point in space to any other point. Blind people don't experience perceptual depth, but I'm pretty sure they experience time.

[NOBLE]

Originally Posted by Rant

All dimensional planes are fundamentally hinged on their preceding dimensionality. You cannot have width without length, depth without width, time without depth.(In this context, time would be meaningless without the expansion of that which has depth.)

The measurement of time is necessitated by our conscious observation of such, as without our perception of such, we would not have conceptualized the notion of time.

There is an inherently progressive trend in conscious evolution measurable along the forward directionality of time.

Time is considered to be a dimensional plane because of its inherent directional measurability.

Therefore, if the measurement of time is foundationally fixed upon our awareness of such, and there is a measurable trend along this directional state, of consciousness, there must then, inherently be an expansion of the conscious state parallel to time, and subsequently space. Thus, making consciousness a dimensional plane in its own right, extenuating beyond time.

I agree with you that all dimensions are premised on the existence of previous dimensions. But I don't agree that it is our perception of depth which gives rise to our notion of time. It is more like motion which does that...motion through 3-dimensional space. It takes time to get from any point in space to any other point. Blind people don't experience perceptual depth, but I'm pretty sure they experience time.

Originally Posted by Shodan

I'm not a physics-inclined type, but I'm fairly sure that the "observer effect" still occurs when measurements by non-conscious "observers" (equipment) take place. If reality was otherwise, that would mean that people influence reality; the largest result in any science, ever.

This has recently been posited to be the case. Admittedly, though, the headline may have been such as an example of click bait.

Originally Posted by Shodan

I'm not a physics-inclined type, but I'm fairly sure that the "observer effect" still occurs when measurements by non-conscious "observers" (equipment) take place. If reality was otherwise, that would mean that people influence reality; the largest result in any science, ever.

This has recently been posited to be the case. Admittedly, though, the headline may have been such as an example of click bait.

[NOBLE]

"Man is the measure of all things."
-Protagoras
That seems to be where you're getting at.

[NOBLE]

"Man is the measure of all things."
-Protagoras
That seems to be where you're getting at.

Originally Posted by NOBLE

I agree with you that all dimensions are premised on the existence of previous dimensions. But I don't agree that it is our perception of depth which gives rise to our notion of time. It is more like motion which does that...motion through 3-dimensional space. It takes time to get from any point in space to any other point. Blind people don't experience perceptual depth, but I'm pretty sure they experience time.

Yes, but, that motion, in the context of time's dimensionality, is that of the expansion of space, I.E., it's growing depth, or volume, 3 dimensionally.

Originally Posted by NOBLE

I agree with you that all dimensions are premised on the existence of previous dimensions. But I don't agree that it is our perception of depth which gives rise to our notion of time. It is more like motion which does that...motion through 3-dimensional space. It takes time to get from any point in space to any other point. Blind people don't experience perceptual depth, but I'm pretty sure they experience time.

Yes, but, that motion, in the context of time's dimensionality, is that of the expansion of space, I.E., it's growing depth, or volume, 3 dimensionally.

[NOBLE]

Yea, according to Relativity, time and space are just two ways of looking at this same thing, so one could argue that to experience one is to simultaneously experience the other.

[NOBLE]

Yea, according to Relativity, time and space are just two ways of looking at this same thing, so one could argue that to experience one is to simultaneously experience the other.