Votng is ass on here

[Esso]

Originally Posted by X

Open to ideas to fix voting, it's been a challenge for over a decade. Some ideas:

Double blind battles, you can't see the participants only their verses until you vote. So basically you're voting on the content only, might not work well for audio where you could recognize the person more easily than text..

Forced voting, you can't choose what battles to vote on, the system automatically chooses for you. You can view/listen to any battle, but the system would choose if you're allowed to vote or not randomly. You could see a page with all the battles you're allowed to vote on.

I could see both of these hurting voting. If you don’t know the participants and/or can’t control which battles you decide to vote on, it will lessen the likelihood that folks will check it out after a while. There’s a lot more rough than diamonds and if folks keep ending up not being able to vote for battles they may have interest in or look forward to, I can see it being more harm than good.

A variation on the double blind would be to know the participants but not know whose verse was whose until after you vote. If you’re looking to up voter turnout, make tournaments cost credits to enter. Say 15-20
Battles worth of credits. That way if you want to enter a tourney, which is what usually draws people out the woodwork, you have to vote every other day for a month at minimum to get into it.

[Esso]

Originally Posted by X

Open to ideas to fix voting, it's been a challenge for over a decade. Some ideas:

Double blind battles, you can't see the participants only their verses until you vote. So basically you're voting on the content only, might not work well for audio where you could recognize the person more easily than text..

Forced voting, you can't choose what battles to vote on, the system automatically chooses for you. You can view/listen to any battle, but the system would choose if you're allowed to vote or not randomly. You could see a page with all the battles you're allowed to vote on.

I could see both of these hurting voting. If you don’t know the participants and/or can’t control which battles you decide to vote on, it will lessen the likelihood that folks will check it out after a while. There’s a lot more rough than diamonds and if folks keep ending up not being able to vote for battles they may have interest in or look forward to, I can see it being more harm than good.

A variation on the double blind would be to know the participants but not know whose verse was whose until after you vote. If you’re looking to up voter turnout, make tournaments cost credits to enter. Say 15-20
Battles worth of credits. That way if you want to enter a tourney, which is what usually draws people out the woodwork, you have to vote every other day for a month at minimum to get into it.

Originally Posted by Esso

I could see both of these hurting voting. If you don’t know the participants and/or can’t control which battles you decide to vote on, it will lessen the likelihood that folks will check it out after a while. There’s a lot more rough than diamonds and if folks keep ending up not being able to vote for battles they may have interest in or look forward to, I can see it being more harm than good.

A variation on the double blind would be to know the participants but not know whose verse was whose until after you vote. If you’re looking to up voter turnout, make tournaments cost credits to enter. Say 15-20
Battles worth of credits. That way if you want to enter a tourney, which is what usually draws people out the woodwork, you have to vote every other day for a month at minimum to get into it.

The problem with not knowing who’s verse was who’s is that it will be easy to decipher once personals are thrown in to the mix

I still personally think tournaments should have a credit requirement for entry and you can only gain credits via voting (I.e. 250 credits to enter a secondary tournament, 350 to enter a GC)

Originally Posted by Esso

I could see both of these hurting voting. If you don’t know the participants and/or can’t control which battles you decide to vote on, it will lessen the likelihood that folks will check it out after a while. There’s a lot more rough than diamonds and if folks keep ending up not being able to vote for battles they may have interest in or look forward to, I can see it being more harm than good.

A variation on the double blind would be to know the participants but not know whose verse was whose until after you vote. If you’re looking to up voter turnout, make tournaments cost credits to enter. Say 15-20
Battles worth of credits. That way if you want to enter a tourney, which is what usually draws people out the woodwork, you have to vote every other day for a month at minimum to get into it.

The problem with not knowing who’s verse was who’s is that it will be easy to decipher once personals are thrown in to the mix

I still personally think tournaments should have a credit requirement for entry and you can only gain credits via voting (I.e. 250 credits to enter a secondary tournament, 350 to enter a GC)

[The Saaxxx Baba]

Originally Posted by X

Open to ideas to fix voting, it's been a challenge for over a decade. Some ideas:

Double blind battles, you can't see the participants only their verses until you vote. So basically you're voting on the content only, might not work well for audio where you could recognize the person more easily than text..

Forced voting, you can't choose what battles to vote on, the system automatically chooses for you. You can view/listen to any battle, but the system would choose if you're allowed to vote or not randomly. You could see a page with all the battles you're allowed to vote on.

I got a problem with he forced voing bit coz i refrain from voting on battle between inactive voters. but the double blind idea should be implemented like right away along with a lil addition that even the battlers cannot see the name of the guys who voted (but can see the comments and votes) till the battle is over.

There is one issue tho, there are generally queries about a few of the bars of that voters may need as expos so how do they communicate that to the person?

[The Saaxxx Baba]

Originally Posted by X

Open to ideas to fix voting, it's been a challenge for over a decade. Some ideas:

Double blind battles, you can't see the participants only their verses until you vote. So basically you're voting on the content only, might not work well for audio where you could recognize the person more easily than text..

Forced voting, you can't choose what battles to vote on, the system automatically chooses for you. You can view/listen to any battle, but the system would choose if you're allowed to vote or not randomly. You could see a page with all the battles you're allowed to vote on.

I got a problem with he forced voing bit coz i refrain from voting on battle between inactive voters. but the double blind idea should be implemented like right away along with a lil addition that even the battlers cannot see the name of the guys who voted (but can see the comments and votes) till the battle is over.

There is one issue tho, there are generally queries about a few of the bars of that voters may need as expos so how do they communicate that to the person?

Originally Posted by The Saaxxx Baba

I got a problem with he forced voing bit coz i refrain from voting on battle between inactive voters. but the double blind idea should be implemented like right away along with a lil addition that even the battlers cannot see the name of the guys who voted (but can see the comments and votes) till the battle is over.

There is one issue tho, there are generally queries about a few of the bars of that voters may need as expos so how do they communicate that to the person?

and the issue of personals and many more. blind battling would be cool for a tournament idea, but not applicable for a site wide commencement

Originally Posted by The Saaxxx Baba

I got a problem with he forced voing bit coz i refrain from voting on battle between inactive voters. but the double blind idea should be implemented like right away along with a lil addition that even the battlers cannot see the name of the guys who voted (but can see the comments and votes) till the battle is over.

There is one issue tho, there are generally queries about a few of the bars of that voters may need as expos so how do they communicate that to the person?

and the issue of personals and many more. blind battling would be cool for a tournament idea, but not applicable for a site wide commencement

i used to be a huge advocate for double blind voting or w/e but i've learned it can't be done. and that's because when two battlers are setting up a battle they'll write bars against each other, personals, and through this, we'd know who the battlers were.

also, for even sniping, the sniper would use name flips, and would most likely give away the person who had posted the blind w/o revealing himself, which gives the sniper an even larger advantage.

forced voting is cool and all, but it could push users away, like, they might just stop logging in.

improving voting means we work on educating our userbase, and that means, we need to focus on the human element of this problem, which i know you're not a fan of. but in all honesty, there'll be no way to automate a good vote.

also, for low skill battler complaining, this should just be ignored. i don't want to make them feel ignored, or come off as an elitist, but when gordan ramsey says your city diner is shit, and you say he's an idiot, i mean, the situation is clear. it's the same here.

i used to be a huge advocate for double blind voting or w/e but i've learned it can't be done. and that's because when two battlers are setting up a battle they'll write bars against each other, personals, and through this, we'd know who the battlers were.

also, for even sniping, the sniper would use name flips, and would most likely give away the person who had posted the blind w/o revealing himself, which gives the sniper an even larger advantage.

forced voting is cool and all, but it could push users away, like, they might just stop logging in.

improving voting means we work on educating our userbase, and that means, we need to focus on the human element of this problem, which i know you're not a fan of. but in all honesty, there'll be no way to automate a good vote.

also, for low skill battler complaining, this should just be ignored. i don't want to make them feel ignored, or come off as an elitist, but when gordan ramsey says your city diner is shit, and you say he's an idiot, i mean, the situation is clear. it's the same here.

[Edgeworth]

General thoughts: I just don't see the blind voting working on implementation. That means 0 personal bars or name flips. Plus, it's still pretty easy to decipher who's who based on their style. ( Most can easily tell a Saiyan verse from a Shodan verse from a RULE verse from a etc.). To me, it just doesn't make sense.

Plus, the only reason this type of system would be needed in the first place would be if people were A) buddy voting - suppose this is happening, someone could theoretically still tell their buddies which verse they were anyway, or B) voting for names - which, I'll admit might sometimes come into play but in general I really think if you dug into it, this truly influences the outcomes of a microscopic % of battles, if any. So in that case, changing to blind voting with that tiny pro at the expense of all the cons listed above just doesn't make sense.

Forced voting, just nah man. It's just not a good idea. People already don't vote enough, now we want to restrict which battles they can and can't vote on? Just can't imagine any way that increases voting.

Here's a suggestion that doesn't really radically effect the voting ecosystem on LB. Go back to how it was, make credits worth a damn. Make it cost credits to battle, and a new addition: make it cost credits to enter tournaments, make it cost credits to drop a song, whatever. And make the only way to get credits voting. The way it was before made perfect sense. You got 1 credit per vote and needed 3 credits to battle, so for every 1 of your own battles, you had voted on 3 others, meaning you had a net positive effect on the site in terms of battles vs votes. I know you changed it before because there was a "lack of battles" but that has nothing to really do with the cost of battles, that's just the activity of the site. It's a battle rap site, people are here to battle rap. (Most of us, anyway).

[Edgeworth]

General thoughts: I just don't see the blind voting working on implementation. That means 0 personal bars or name flips. Plus, it's still pretty easy to decipher who's who based on their style. ( Most can easily tell a Saiyan verse from a Shodan verse from a RULE verse from a etc.). To me, it just doesn't make sense.

Plus, the only reason this type of system would be needed in the first place would be if people were A) buddy voting - suppose this is happening, someone could theoretically still tell their buddies which verse they were anyway, or B) voting for names - which, I'll admit might sometimes come into play but in general I really think if you dug into it, this truly influences the outcomes of a microscopic % of battles, if any. So in that case, changing to blind voting with that tiny pro at the expense of all the cons listed above just doesn't make sense.

Forced voting, just nah man. It's just not a good idea. People already don't vote enough, now we want to restrict which battles they can and can't vote on? Just can't imagine any way that increases voting.

Here's a suggestion that doesn't really radically effect the voting ecosystem on LB. Go back to how it was, make credits worth a damn. Make it cost credits to battle, and a new addition: make it cost credits to enter tournaments, make it cost credits to drop a song, whatever. And make the only way to get credits voting. The way it was before made perfect sense. You got 1 credit per vote and needed 3 credits to battle, so for every 1 of your own battles, you had voted on 3 others, meaning you had a net positive effect on the site in terms of battles vs votes. I know you changed it before because there was a "lack of battles" but that has nothing to really do with the cost of battles, that's just the activity of the site. It's a battle rap site, people are here to battle rap. (Most of us, anyway).

Also, do a hard reset on credits each month to ensure people don’t just sit on a shit ton of credits and contribute nothing.

Also, do a hard reset on credits each month to ensure people don’t just sit on a shit ton of credits and contribute nothing.

i think thse are good ideas too, in fact when edge first came up with that buy in tournament idea i thought it was great, but honestly people could give a shit about credits. our userbase WILL NOTT change so we cant fix things to work for what we have

we have to think of the future when we think of ideas.

(side note edges buy in w/ credits for tounaments is still a great idea for now)

i think thse are good ideas too, in fact when edge first came up with that buy in tournament idea i thought it was great, but honestly people could give a shit about credits. our userbase WILL NOTT change so we cant fix things to work for what we have

we have to think of the future when we think of ideas.

(side note edges buy in w/ credits for tounaments is still a great idea for now)

[The Saaxxx Baba]

make it a point that folks who talk about votes etc. are ignored depending on the number given in their avy btw.

quantity quality, FVC revamp, all sorts of other bullshit (barring a special few) ain't gonna work if folks who are only looking for some attention (old heads or new) get escalated to certain positions.

the site needs to take stat based decisions and the stats are pretty much there under everybody's names in the forums, i think that information should be used so that more administrative decisions are facts based and not polls and biased opinions as it has been for so long.

and as @Guts also rightly mentioned keep shit future oriented. (with a 10 year vision atleast)

[The Saaxxx Baba]

make it a point that folks who talk about votes etc. are ignored depending on the number given in their avy btw.

quantity quality, FVC revamp, all sorts of other bullshit (barring a special few) ain't gonna work if folks who are only looking for some attention (old heads or new) get escalated to certain positions.

the site needs to take stat based decisions and the stats are pretty much there under everybody's names in the forums, i think that information should be used so that more administrative decisions are facts based and not polls and biased opinions as it has been for so long.

and as @Guts also rightly mentioned keep shit future oriented. (with a 10 year vision atleast)

[Rowdy]

Double Blind battle is such a great idea not only because it introduces a new battle style where its basically bar for bar by hidden battlers but it's considered an (ADD ON FEATURE)

People are acting like it's going to replace the regular text battle feature which it wont.. it's just an ADD ON, children. Cant hurt the site not a single bit.

I'm reading people's responses saying "well you cant use personals or personals will give away" well no shit lol that's the point of it being double blind.. you dont know who your battling so how in the world will someone be able to write a personal... It's clearly impossible to do so.

This new battle feature definitely deserves the greenlight. I think most are confused on how itll work.

Again it's only an add-on. It's not replacing anything so it's your choice if you want to participate in one of these type of battles. No ones forcing you.

[Rowdy]

Double Blind battle is such a great idea not only because it introduces a new battle style where its basically bar for bar by hidden battlers but it's considered an (ADD ON FEATURE)

People are acting like it's going to replace the regular text battle feature which it wont.. it's just an ADD ON, children. Cant hurt the site not a single bit.

I'm reading people's responses saying "well you cant use personals or personals will give away" well no shit lol that's the point of it being double blind.. you dont know who your battling so how in the world will someone be able to write a personal... It's clearly impossible to do so.

This new battle feature definitely deserves the greenlight. I think most are confused on how itll work.

Again it's only an add-on. It's not replacing anything so it's your choice if you want to participate in one of these type of battles. No ones forcing you.