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The fact "most" white people don't see that they don't need a movement to gain equality is astounding to me. By hijacking the Black Lives Matter movement your whole platform is that their isn't "White Privilege" i.e. you need a change in your life to find balance.
Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

People focus so much on fucking race. I watched that one with Anton (something, cannae remember his second name) and the comments are ALL race related. Some complete scum white people bringing up the guy's crime sheet like it's relevant. Other people talking about how bad white cops are and how black people can't catch a break. I'm sitting there like "The fuck are you guys talking about? We just watched a video of a man getting murdered and you guys focus on whether or not the murderer is a racist?".

Can you even imagine a White Lives Matter movement? It would be dubbed the most racist thing in history and would end up in a huge fight with BLM turning up to it. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed.

Some people face some horrific racism out there...but racism isn't even the tip of the ice berg of serious problems in the world anymore.
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The fact "most" white people don't see that they don't need a movement to gain equality is astounding to me. By hijacking the Black Lives Matter movement your whole platform is that their isn't "White Privilege" i.e. you need a change in your life to find balance.
Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

People focus so much on fucking race. I watched that one with Anton (something, cannae remember his second name) and the comments are ALL race related. Some complete scum white people bringing up the guy's crime sheet like it's relevant. Other people talking about how bad white cops are and how black people can't catch a break. I'm sitting there like "The fuck are you guys talking about? We just watched a video of a man getting murdered and you guys focus on whether or not the murderer is a racist?".

Can you even imagine a White Lives Matter movement? It would be dubbed the most racist thing in history and would end up in a huge fight with BLM turning up to it. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed.

Some people face some horrific racism out there...but racism isn't even the tip of the ice berg of serious problems in the world anymore.
 
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Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

People focus so much on fucking race. I watched that one with Anton (something, cannae remember his second name) and the comments are ALL race related. Some complete scum white people bringing up the guy's crime sheet like it's relevant. Other people talking about how bad white cops are and how black people can't catch a break. I'm sitting there like "The fuck are you guys talking about? We just watched a video of a man getting murdered and you guys focus on whether or not the murderer is a racist?".

Can you even imagine a White Lives Matter movement? It would be dubbed the most racist thing in history and would end up in a huge fight with BLM turning up to it. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed.

Some people face some horrific racism out there...but racism isn't even the tip of the ice berg of serious problems in the world anymore.
Well said
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Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

People focus so much on fucking race. I watched that one with Anton (something, cannae remember his second name) and the comments are ALL race related. Some complete scum white people bringing up the guy's crime sheet like it's relevant. Other people talking about how bad white cops are and how black people can't catch a break. I'm sitting there like "The fuck are you guys talking about? We just watched a video of a man getting murdered and you guys focus on whether or not the murderer is a racist?".

Can you even imagine a White Lives Matter movement? It would be dubbed the most racist thing in history and would end up in a huge fight with BLM turning up to it. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed.

Some people face some horrific racism out there...but racism isn't even the tip of the ice berg of serious problems in the world anymore.
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Well said
You can't agree with these white people problems. You're clearly like Mexican or Samoan or something. You have "Kind of confusingly ethnic looking privilege".
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You can't agree with these white people problems. You're clearly like Mexican or Samoan or something. You have "Kind of confusingly ethnic looking privilege".
 
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Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed. .
More people dying does not mean its happening at a higher rate....Rate is how many times something happens per unit of measure....a percentage. In 2015, blacks were killed at a rate of 3x more than white people and made up 40% of those killed while only making up 12% of the population. How does that make any sense at all? "You're not talking percentages" because it doesn't fit your argument. White people are not killed at a higher rate....and thats the whole problem.

And again, in America women arent treated nearly the same as black people....theres levels to this shit, levels to privilege, oppression, and disadvantage and ignoring that to make a comparison reminds me you do not understand the situation.
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Black Lives Matter directs it's attention towards the policing. We're not talking percentages, because percentages doesn't change numbers. Fact is, white people are killed unarmed at a higher rate than black people in America. No one cares about them. No one's fighting for them.

You're not allowed to be a non-privileged white person. You're not allowed to be a non-privileged male. Everything you achieve as a white straight cis male is irrelevant because the world handed it to your feet.

It's just funny that @Esso's mentality is that of most. Tell him he's getting the world handed to him as a male and that females are oppressed, and he says "That's bullshit"...yet he claims the exact same stuff that white people get the world handed to them and black people are oppressed. .
More people dying does not mean its happening at a higher rate....Rate is how many times something happens per unit of measure....a percentage. In 2015, blacks were killed at a rate of 3x more than white people and made up 40% of those killed while only making up 12% of the population. How does that make any sense at all? "You're not talking percentages" because it doesn't fit your argument. White people are not killed at a higher rate....and thats the whole problem.

And again, in America women arent treated nearly the same as black people....theres levels to this shit, levels to privilege, oppression, and disadvantage and ignoring that to make a comparison reminds me you do not understand the situation.
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More people dying does not mean its happening at a higher rate....Rate is how many times something happens per unit of measure....a percentage. In 2015, blacks were killed at a rate of 3x more than white people and made up 40% of those killed while only making up 12% of the population. How does that make any sense at all? "You're not talking percentages" because it doesn't fit your argument. White people are not killed at a higher rate....and thats the whole problem.

And again, in America women arent treated nearly the same as black people....theres levels to this shit, levels to privilege, oppression, and disadvantage and ignoring that to make a comparison reminds me you do not understand the situation.
I'm sure by the numbers, more unarmed Scottish people have been killed in America than black people based on percentages...but the numbers are simple. More white people are being killed by police than black people...but who talks about that? It never makes the news, it never makes the headlines. It's just "another dead white guy, meh...call me when he's ethnic".

Women feel they are treated worse than black men in America. They have lists of privileges to back that up as well as statistics on equal pay, rape, physical abuse etc. It's not, in any way what so ever, different from what you're talking about.

Everyone wants to feel that their current situation is the worst and most disadvantaged situation ever. Why? Because if they achieve something, they get a pat on the back for overcoming the odds. If they fail, well, they have a list of excuses.

Do you feel that black people in America face more racism and oppression that people from the Middle East?
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More people dying does not mean its happening at a higher rate....Rate is how many times something happens per unit of measure....a percentage. In 2015, blacks were killed at a rate of 3x more than white people and made up 40% of those killed while only making up 12% of the population. How does that make any sense at all? "You're not talking percentages" because it doesn't fit your argument. White people are not killed at a higher rate....and thats the whole problem.

And again, in America women arent treated nearly the same as black people....theres levels to this shit, levels to privilege, oppression, and disadvantage and ignoring that to make a comparison reminds me you do not understand the situation.
I'm sure by the numbers, more unarmed Scottish people have been killed in America than black people based on percentages...but the numbers are simple. More white people are being killed by police than black people...but who talks about that? It never makes the news, it never makes the headlines. It's just "another dead white guy, meh...call me when he's ethnic".

Women feel they are treated worse than black men in America. They have lists of privileges to back that up as well as statistics on equal pay, rape, physical abuse etc. It's not, in any way what so ever, different from what you're talking about.

Everyone wants to feel that their current situation is the worst and most disadvantaged situation ever. Why? Because if they achieve something, they get a pat on the back for overcoming the odds. If they fail, well, they have a list of excuses.

Do you feel that black people in America face more racism and oppression that people from the Middle East?
 
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You can't agree with these white people problems. You're clearly like Mexican or Samoan or something. You have "Kind of confusingly ethnic looking privilege".
White/Black man. I don't know what side im on
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You can't agree with these white people problems. You're clearly like Mexican or Samoan or something. You have "Kind of confusingly ethnic looking privilege".
White/Black man. I don't know what side im on
 
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White/Black man. I don't know what side im on
You're LB's answer to The Rock. Although maybe more like Alladin with your magic lamps and shit.

RIP ACs Chatroom.
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You're LB's answer to The Rock. Although maybe more like Alladin with your magic lamps and shit.

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1. You are numbering replies to a large unnumbered post.

2. It's impossible to know what the fuck you're on about.
I bolded what I responded to.
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2. It's impossible to know what the fuck you're on about.
I bolded what I responded to.
 
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1.) Rationalization is not justification. The reason for the occurrence is not an endorsement of those actions, nor is being unsurprised by its happening.

2.) Nope. I wanted to be a booker.
1) You can rationalize and be unsurprised by a police officer murdering several black people in response to this by your logic.

2) Bookers have been involved in plenty of shit themselves.
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1.) Rationalization is not justification. The reason for the occurrence is not an endorsement of those actions, nor is being unsurprised by its happening.

2.) Nope. I wanted to be a booker.
1) You can rationalize and be unsurprised by a police officer murdering several black people in response to this by your logic.

2) Bookers have been involved in plenty of shit themselves.
 
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More people dying does not mean its happening at a higher rate....Rate is how many times something happens per unit of measure....a percentage. In 2015, blacks were killed at a rate of 3x more than white people and made up 40% of those killed while only making up 12% of the population. How does that make any sense at all? "You're not talking percentages" because it doesn't fit your argument. White people are not killed at a higher rate....and thats the whole problem.

And again, in America women arent treated nearly the same as black people....theres levels to this shit, levels to privilege, oppression, and disadvantage and ignoring that to make a comparison reminds me you do not understand the situation.
Exactly

"Police kill Black people at a rate disproportionate to both criminal activity and their presence in the population at large."


On a side note, some these police killings ARE about race, so you can't analyze every police brutality incident with a colorblind approach. Ignoring race would be ignoring any prejudice attitudes/beliefs that, in some cases, led to the death of someone, by law enforcement.

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More people dying does not mean its happening at a higher rate....Rate is how many times something happens per unit of measure....a percentage. In 2015, blacks were killed at a rate of 3x more than white people and made up 40% of those killed while only making up 12% of the population. How does that make any sense at all? "You're not talking percentages" because it doesn't fit your argument. White people are not killed at a higher rate....and thats the whole problem.

And again, in America women arent treated nearly the same as black people....theres levels to this shit, levels to privilege, oppression, and disadvantage and ignoring that to make a comparison reminds me you do not understand the situation.
Exactly

"Police kill Black people at a rate disproportionate to both criminal activity and their presence in the population at large."


On a side note, some these police killings ARE about race, so you can't analyze every police brutality incident with a colorblind approach. Ignoring race would be ignoring any prejudice attitudes/beliefs that, in some cases, led to the death of someone, by law enforcement.

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